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Mitt Romney as the Nominee: Conservatism Dies and Barack Obama Wins
Red State ^ | 11/8/2011 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 11/08/2011 5:05:57 AM PST by IbJensen

Mit Romney will not go on Special Report with Brett Baier to answer the tough questions as the other candidates have done. No worries. Conservatives will bitch and moan for a few days and Romney will claim it was a scheduling issue, he’d always meant to go on, and he will go on.

Should Mitt Romney win the Presidency, conservatives will find this pattern play out repeated. Romney will head in a direction conservatives do not like and they will bitch and moan repeatedly and maybe, just maybe, he’ll part his hair in their direction.

We’ve seen this play out over and over. Jon Huntsman comes up with the best economic plan of all the candidates, Herman Cain follows up with 999, Perry comes out with a flat tax, and Romney refuses to do anything. Until he does something.

Mitt Romney is not the George W. Bush of 2012 — he is the Harriet Miers of 2012, only conservative because a few conservative grand pooh-bahs tell us Mitt Romney is conservative and for no other reason.

That is precisely why Mitt Romney will not win in 2012. But no worry, once he loses, Republican establishment types will blame conservatives for not doing enough for Mitt Romney, never mind that Mitt Romney has never been able to sell himself to more than 25% of the GOP voters. It’s not his fault though, it is the 75%’s fault.

Mitt Romney is going to be the Republican nominee. And his general election campaign will be an utter disaster for conservatives as he takes the GOP down with him and burns up what it means to be a conservative in the process.

Why Romney Will Be The Nominee

Mitt Romney will be the nominee because the other candidates, right now, are a pretty pathetic lot.

The base will not forgive Rick Perry his immigration sins. In fact, that has hurt him far more than his debate performances, but his debate performances have hurt him badly. Perry, who came out principled and fiery with a record others could only envy, has left others with the impression that he’s a poor man’s version of the village idiot, which in the SEC we call “Aggies”. Maybe he can turn it around.

Newt Gingrich will not be the nominee because, despite his daughter’s rebuttals to the horror stories of how Gingrich divorced his first of three wives, Jackie Gingrich told the Washington Post on January 3, 1985, “He walked out in the spring of 1980 and I returned to Georgia. By September, I went into the hospital for my third surgery. The two girls came to see me, and said Daddy is downstairs and could he come up? When he got there, he wanted to discuss the terms of the divorce while I was recovering from the surgery.”

Gingrich went on to cheat on the second wife with the third. Regardless of the actual facts or even the spin, he won’t win women.

Herman Cain won’t be the nominee because he can’t win women either. Regardless of what you think of the Politico story, Cain’s handling of the story has been an epic disaster. He’s down at least 10 points with women in Iowa. He’s falling even further and doesn’t even realize it. He’s largely been emboldened by a conservative media that is so used to standing by its men that too few are telling Herman that he is now at the point where he must actually sit and answer questions whether he wants to or not and whether he feels maligned or not and whether I think he should have to or not. If he loses women by as big as he is starting to lose the women, he cannot win.

So Mitt Romney will be the nominee. Conservatives will not rally together with the least of the bad alternatives and Romney, like John McCain before him, will run up the middle to the nomination. But, just like McCain, Romney will not beat Barack Obama. Why Mitt Romney Will Not Beat Barack Obama

You’d think that given the economy, jobs, and the present angst about the direction of the country that the GOP would have an easy path to victory. You would be wrong.

You forget the electoral college. The vote is coming down to a handful of states and Barack Obama still maintains the advantage of incumbency and not terribly terrible polling in those swing states.

Mitt Romney, on the other hand, is a man devoid of any principles other than getting himself elected. As much as the American public does not like Barack Obama, they loath a man so fueled with ambition that he will say or do anything to get himself elected. Mitt Romney is that man.

I’ve been reading the 200 pages of single spaced opposition research from the John McCain campaign on Mitt Romney. There is no issue I can find on which Mitt Romney has not taken both sides. He is neither liberal nor conservative. He is simply unprincipled. The man has no core beliefs other than in himself. You want him to be tough? He’ll be tough. You want him to be sensitive? He’ll be sensitive. You want him to be for killing the unborn? He’ll go all in on abortion rights until he wants to run for an office where it is not in his advantage.

Along the way, he’ll drop lots of coin to grease the skids for himself. Mitt Romney is the silly putty of politicians — press on him real hard and he’ll take on whatever image you press into him until the next group starts pressing.

Republican billionaires have a fantastic track record of getting Republican opinion leaders to support them and an even better track record at losing elections. Mitt Romney will be no different.

To beat Barack Obama, a candidate must paint a bold contrast with the Democrats on their policies. When Mitt Romney tries, Barack Obama will be able to show that just the other day Mitt Romney held exactly the opposite position as the one he holds today.

Voters may not like Barack Obama, but by the time Obama is done with Romney they will not trust Mitt Romney. And voters would rather the guy they don’t like than they guy they don’t trust. Why Conservatism Will Die

Conservatism is already dying. Republicans on Capitol Hill are about to raise taxes on the American people with this Super Committee, but they’ll say they are just “raising revenue,” not taxes. Conservatives will give them a pass as they have on virtually every other major issue. Conservatives keep giving passes to people who shouldn’t be given passes because conservative in Washington have been there so long, they’d much rather get invited to the cocktail parties and avoid awkward encounters.

Washington, D.C. conservatives will also rally around Mitt Romney, just as they kept doing over and over and over with George W. Bush even after steel tariffs in Pennsylvania, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, the GM Bailout, and TARP. At some point the public will cease taking conservatives seriously when the most prominent conservatives — those in Washington who pose as the faces, voices, and writers of the conservative movement at large, keep throwing their lot in with a guy who keeps selling out the very principles conservatives claim to hold dear.

Some conservatives, of course, will not go all in for Romney. These conservatives will be blamed by major Republican and “conservative” mouth pieces for not doing enough to help Mitt Romney. They will be alienated, blamed, and made the scapegoat for the failures of the establishment GOP.

But there is something else too — Mitt Romney is winning the nomination without conservative help. The only time he pays conservatives any attention is when they cry loud enough that the media takes notice and Romney decides the story needs to go away. Once he is the nominee, it will be all about wooing the independents.

Hell, he can give the base Marco Rubio as the veep nominee, just like McCain did with Palin — a token for the base. But don’t delude yourself into thinking he will seriously take conservatives seriously. He got the nomination without them and he’ll only use them when it is opportunistically convenient for him.

Conservatism itself will not really die. But it might as well be dead as even conservatives in the heartland of the country stop taking Washington conservatives seriously.

The Contrast To Be Drawn

It is striking to me that in 2012 there is broad based popular angst against Wall Street and Washington and the Republican Party is on the verge of nominating a multi-millionaire scion of the Rockefeller Wing of the Republican Party whose closest encounters with the common man are accidentally touching one of the many hired hands in one of the many rooms of one of his many mansions. But then many of the DC-NYC Republican “conservatives” who support Romney are the same, only coming into contact with regular people when they are served their breakfast by a steward in the first class car on the Acela Express.

Neither Romney nor the Washington GOP crowd who loves him have very much at all in common with fly over country conservatives who see the GOP and Democrats both as out to lunch tools of K-Street and Wall Street. The party that could lead a conservative, populist campaign against Wall Street and Barack Obama, the former getting fat off the latter, will instead nominate a guy more at home on Wall Street than Main Street.

And enough conservatives will be cheerleaders and rally around him that by November of 2012 the ideological underpinnings of the modern American conservative movement will be coming apart.

I’m starting to think I need to walk it back on my rejection of Jon Huntsman. Because I’m starting to think even he would be more faithful in his conservative convictions than Mitt Romney.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: beconservative; bishopromney; bishopromney2decide; nomitt; rino; romney2decide4u
If Obama wins, he'll gleefully select replacements for Breyer and Ginsburg, as well as possibly for Kennedy and/or Scalia, both of whom will be 80 by the end of an Obama second term. Can you imagine a court with 5 Sotomayors on it for the next quarter century?

Someone once asked the Senate chaplain if he prayed for the senators. He replied, “No, I look at the senators and pray for the country.” He could now add the House, the White House, the Supreme Court, and state capitals and city halls across this once great land. What a sorry mess we have let ourselves get into.

I now believe if this country is to be saved at all it will be by individuals only. Parties, unions, collectives of all sorts are no longer following a moral, or even a sensible, path. Only by doing what is right as individuals and families can we survive the troubles that are coming. Again, God help us please.

1 posted on 11/08/2011 5:06:00 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

The GOP abandoning conservatism will complete the Left’s takeover of America. A party without passion and without principles is a party no one wants to support.

If Erick Erickson is right, we’re cursed with Obama for another four years.


2 posted on 11/08/2011 5:11:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I fear he is right.

The Republican leadership is all for Romney,because it’s “his turn”.


3 posted on 11/08/2011 5:15:52 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Of course. Given Republican history, the odds good Romney will be nominated because conservatives are looking for Ronald Reagan. There will never be one again.


4 posted on 11/08/2011 5:19:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: IbJensen

If Romney wins the nomination, I will not vote in November, even if that leaves Obama. Maybe that’s a good thing. Obama and his puppetmasters will be exposed for what they are if given another four years. It will be VERY painful, but “no pain, no gain”.


5 posted on 11/08/2011 5:21:44 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: IbJensen
How depressing. If Romney emerges from the current mud bath by largely not engaging in the fights, then Obama wins and, after another four years, the Republic will be dead.
6 posted on 11/08/2011 5:23:16 AM PST by Truth29
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To: goldstategop
The GOP abandoning conservatism will complete the Left’s takeover of America. A party without passion and without principles is a party no one wants to support.

The only difference between liberals with an (R) next to their name and liberals with a (D) next to their name is how fast they want to take us down the road to socialism. But I think the GOP is going to learn it can no longer shepherd us down that road. The Tea Party movement is going to put the brakes on that.
7 posted on 11/08/2011 5:24:58 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: goldstategop

—Of course. Given Republican history, the odds good Romney will be nominated because conservatives are looking for Ronald Reagan. There will never be one again.—

I’m not looking for a Ronald Reagan. But I will never vote for Romney. I’d take even that lunatic, Ron Paul over Romney. Romney cannot be trusted. He changes his beliefs whenever it is politically expedient. Listening to him regarding this election is like listening to a sleazy used car salesman describing a car you are thinking of purchasing: You cannot trust a single word he says.

I’t choose Obama over that, though I could never, EVER vote for that poser. I’ll simply write in my own name.

All that said, I still do not believe Obama will finish his first term, much less run for a second.


8 posted on 11/08/2011 5:25:06 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: IbJensen

If Cain falls. I think we need to give Perry a second look. He could be the only one capable of taking on Romney.


9 posted on 11/08/2011 5:26:25 AM PST by nhwingut (Draft Palin '12... For 3rd Party Run)
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To: goldstategop

If Conservatives are looking for Reagan they damned sure will not find him in Romneycare the Flip-flopper.


10 posted on 11/08/2011 5:26:39 AM PST by Venturer
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To: IbJensen

That’s right.

Mark Levin said last night that he would vote for an orange juice can over Obama.

I, for one, will not.

If the only answer that America can produce to a communist revolutionary in the white house is Mitt romney, then America can kiss my ass.


11 posted on 11/08/2011 5:28:49 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: cuban leaf

We can't have Rommey, and we can't have Obama. Conservatism works every time, and Mittens is running as a liberal Democrat and flip-flopper.
12 posted on 11/08/2011 5:40:22 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: nhwingut

These attacks on Cain are predictable. Sadly, most of us come from small and large town gossip meccas and fall for this sort of thing reliably.

The Democrats can always count on us not to stand by our man; while they keep trotting Bill Clinton out to do press conferences. Ha! In fact, they ENVY him, their beloved Elder Statesman.


13 posted on 11/08/2011 5:41:30 AM PST by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: IbJensen
I was listening to John Batchelor on WABC radio last night. His guests were Rep. Nan Hayworth (R-NY) and Rep. Tom Rooney (R-FL). The show turned into a cheerleading session for Willard, so I turned it off.

The fix is in. The GOP establishment, who are hoping that they can get back to the good old days of serving martinis to the Democrats as they sit poolside at the country club, have determined that Willard is the way back to the days of shoeshine boys Bob Michel and Gerald Ford.

I was hoping for Sarah Palin and am not a big fan of Rick Perry, but he is far more on our side than the TV gameshow host Romney.

14 posted on 11/08/2011 6:02:33 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
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To: IbJensen
God help us please.

God helps those who help themselves.

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It's almost a certainty that Romney will be foisted off on us again. I wonder how many conservatives have the guts to do what we always tell the Democrats to do...

Get OFF the fracking Plantation!

There has yet to be a successful write-in candidate that won the Presidency.

I wonder if we could REALLY rock their world and make it happen?

Better to give it a shot than to sit at home on our thumbs, eh?

15 posted on 11/08/2011 6:03:29 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: MamaTexan

Yes


16 posted on 11/08/2011 6:05:26 AM PST by IbJensen (What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Tom Rooney continues to perform like a true Conservative and not a damned RINO Republicrat!


17 posted on 11/08/2011 6:06:29 AM PST by IbJensen (What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.)
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To: IbJensen

I will never vote for Flip Flopney.....ever.


18 posted on 11/08/2011 6:15:12 AM PST by nesnah
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To: IbJensen

Boy, what a depressing article.


19 posted on 11/08/2011 6:21:12 AM PST by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: IbJensen
And his general election campaign will be an utter disaster for conservatives as he takes the GOP down with him and burns up what it means to be a conservative in the process.

This statement is absurd. Conservativism is a mindset based on fundamental truths of the universe. It can never be "burned up" by being betrayed by a man or even by all of humanity.

20 posted on 11/08/2011 6:29:43 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: cuban leaf

I agree with you. Maybe this nation has to hit bottom before citizens realize only conservatism can save (if that is even possible) this country.


21 posted on 11/08/2011 6:34:08 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Venturer

Yeah, not a bad analysis. I think I’ll go hang myself now.


22 posted on 11/08/2011 6:37:13 AM PST by teddyballgame1
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To: IbJensen
There is a very good possibility the Tea Party will take the Senate—in which case Obama won't GET any liberals on the SCOTUS not even to replace liberals—not if they are Tea Party senators.
It will be a hard decision if Mitt gets the nomination—it will be between the slow or fast death of American liberty.
Also Obama can be beat by ANYONE BUT ROMNEY—because he will have disgusted the conservative base so much enough of them may stay home ala McCain.
Which might be the RINO and Dem master plan.
23 posted on 11/08/2011 6:42:33 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: IbJensen
It will take more than mitt romney and obama’s reelection to kill off Conservatism... I am going nowhere no matter what... how about you guys? You want Conservatism dead... you are going to have to kill off ALL Conservatives... and we will not go easily.

LLS

24 posted on 11/08/2011 6:44:40 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: IbJensen
Oh... and **** romney... not going to vote for that jerk no matter what... NEVER!

LLS

25 posted on 11/08/2011 6:47:37 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: IbJensen
>> If Obama wins, he'll gleefully select replacements for Breyer and Ginsburg, as well as possibly for Kennedy and/or Scalia, both of whom will be 80 by the end of an Obama second term. Can you imagine a court with 5 Sotomayors on it for the next quarter century? <<

You're spot on. “Judges” is the number one issue, IMHO. But nobody in the debates has even touched on the matter, as far as I know.

We know Obama will give us more Kagans and more Sotos. No doubt at all. Disaster waiting to happen.

But Romney's nominees? He's been totally noncommittal. Let's just hope the other GOP candidates and the media will “back him into a corner” — as it were — so that he makes some kind of ironclad pledge to nominate Roberts/Alito-clones.

26 posted on 11/08/2011 7:43:31 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: teddyballgame1

We must not lose hope. If the GOP sticks us with Mitt, then maybe its time to make a new Party! We got better people out their than the crop of GOP candidates! Reagan didn’t just pop out of now where—he grew. their are new Reagans to be found if we only look hard enough. Lets look at the Bright side:
1. IF Obama wins he will fracture the left, stumble though a scandal ridden administration. His mojo is gone. If he faces a GOP held Congress—how long before he’s impeached? I predict he will never finish his second term in the White House—he will become a new Nixon.
2. If Mitt wins he too will be a single term President. who might be better for business but as a RINO he will not reverse the social programs of the left and be faced with a Mormon Mafia of helpers that might breed scandal. Who knows? Maybe he will grow into the job? We can but pray.
3. No matter who wins—the next president will be held hostage by events on the world stage. Wars, disasters, economic changes. The old order is passing—Globalism is dying and its dog the UN. Who knows what will follow?


27 posted on 11/08/2011 7:43:31 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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28 posted on 11/08/2011 7:45:56 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: SERKIT

i well stay home what a nightmare,we need a real canadident and soon


29 posted on 11/08/2011 8:14:26 AM PST by Max Rockatansky
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To: cuban leaf

I will second that


30 posted on 11/08/2011 8:14:54 AM PST by Max Rockatansky
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To: cuban leaf

Yep, see my tagline, and believe me I have been given loads of grief for trying to stick with my pledge. I’m sticking with it anyway.


31 posted on 11/08/2011 8:18:31 AM PST by alarm rider (I took the pledge, I will never vote for another RINO, not now, not ever.)
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To: cuban leaf
I’d take even that lunatic, Ron Paul over Romney.

Ron Paul has refused to say he won't run 3rd party. If Romney is the nominee, and Paul runs on the Libertarian ticket, he could draw a lot of votes this time around.

I think a lot of people agree with your statement. Ron Paul is a lunatic, but he's a lunatic in the right direction--too libertarian.

Romney is a lunatic in the wrong direction--too liberal.

32 posted on 11/08/2011 2:12:15 PM PST by Brookhaven (But I didn't know until this day, that it was Barzini Romney all along)
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