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Herman Cainís Bill Clinton moment
The Daily Caller ^ | 11/08/2011 | David Martosko

Posted on 11/08/2011 6:30:59 AM PST by martosko

Monday’s Gloria Allred-assisted bombshell about Herman Cain is inspiring a wide range of reactions from all corners of the American political landscape. Liberals are occupying the narrow dynamic range between we-told-you-so and general Schaddenfreude. But conservatives’ positions seem decidedly mixed. This shouldn’t be so.

Everything should have changed Monday for future Republican primary voters, even for die-hard riders of the Cain Train.

What was previously a smattering of anonymous sexual harassment accusations has now become a very specific allegation of sexual assault. And what had suggested a tenuous analogy to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas now evokes a firm President Clinton déjà vu.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; gloriaallred; hermancain; sexualharassment; sharonbialek
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1 posted on 11/08/2011 6:31:06 AM PST by martosko
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To: martosko

The Cain Train is not derailed by bottom feeders.


2 posted on 11/08/2011 6:33:10 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: martosko

...and we all know how Paula, Juanita & Kathleen used to hug Bill at Campaign events.


3 posted on 11/08/2011 6:33:47 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: martosko

The only relevant story in all this is how the left will do anything to stop independent thinking, especially among black people—and how they will commit the most extreme moral crimes in order to accomplish their goal.


4 posted on 11/08/2011 6:35:02 AM PST by reasonisfaith
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To: martosko

At this point, I can practically guarantee you that this women is suffering from some sort of mental illness and has probably been seeing a therapist for a decade or more.
I know EXACTLY what kind of woman she is, someone a couple of posts up hit the nail on the head calling her a two bagger. This is the kind of crazy middle aged skank ho, that sleazy middle aged men use then toss away like toilet paper because no matter how much she puts out, she is so freaking nuts it doesn’t matter. But from 20 feet she looks sort of hot, and makes a little man look like a big shot at a party, and it’s a guaranteed lay at the end of the night, followed quickly by the man escaping from her room filled with teddy bears or unicorns or whatever her particular obsession is.

*shiver*

this woman needs serious psychological help, and Gloria Alred should be ashamed to have exploited such an obviously deranged individual in such a public way.


5 posted on 11/08/2011 6:36:24 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: martosko

This isn’t a “Bill Clinton” moment. It is the REAL Clarence thomas. Specific? Let me give you speicific: Coke can.


6 posted on 11/08/2011 6:40:01 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: martosko

This is rather odd. Witness: Cain accuser hugged him during Tea Party meeting a month ago http://tinyurl.com/7kf2tbc


7 posted on 11/08/2011 6:40:09 AM PST by CitizenReporter
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To: cuban leaf

REAL Clarence thomas = Real clarence thomas moment


8 posted on 11/08/2011 6:40:35 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: martosko

http://www.suntimes.com/8592168-417/sneed-witness-says-cain-accuser-hugged-him-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html


9 posted on 11/08/2011 6:41:09 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: martosko

Sadly true. I was very offfended by the comparisons with Thomas, because first of all, there was no paper trail (Cain actually had two employment complaints against him) and the allegations were more than tenuous. Also, I don’t like the race card that Cain is playing: he is not being attacked for being black, and any white GOP candidate with that track record would have had exactly to answer exactly the same questions. He knew what was in his past and he should have been prepared to answer when he became a candidate.

But the sad thing is that GOPers are acting exactly like the Dems when Bill was accused: trashing the women, saying all women are liars, and if it really happened, it was all “just about sex” anyway. It’s actually about honesty and trustworthiness - and judgment, none of which I would say are possessed by Cain.


10 posted on 11/08/2011 6:41:17 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

So sorry your offended.....are you a Willard supporter?


11 posted on 11/08/2011 6:45:16 AM PST by estrogen (2012 can't come soon enough)
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To: livius

Worth repeating:

“But the sad thing is that GOPers are acting exactly like the Dems when Bill was accused: trashing the women, saying all women are liars, and if it really happened, it was all “just about sex” anyway. It’s actually about honesty and trustworthiness - and judgment, none of which I would say are possessed by Cain.”


12 posted on 11/08/2011 6:46:23 AM PST by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: livius

so you find this lady at all credible. I do not. The first one was clearly and undeniably a bottom feeder who made false accusations, found not credible and shown the door for the lowest possible severance package.

There was a $850,000 settlement in a Clinton case..a legal settlement of the case. With Cain, there was no settlement on the charges, and simply a minor severance package agreement to go away for $35,000. As many corporate attorneys have stated, that is the award for a nuisance case, not a case with cause.


13 posted on 11/08/2011 6:46:31 AM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: livius

I couldn’t disagree more. On a more probable than not basis (IMHO, fairly significantly more probable than not, based on what we know), this woman is out and out lying.

If the woman is out and out lying, the meme here is the Clarence Thomas meme—this is nothing but a high tech lynching.

And even if what she said were (mostly) true, so what? The guy made a crude pass—and stopped when the woman said no. It does NOT involve a chronic misuse of power, the way Clinton’s problems did.


14 posted on 11/08/2011 6:48:51 AM PST by TheConservator ("I spent my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless, but not men.")
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To: martosko

So, if a gold digger makes an accusation, it must be true.


15 posted on 11/08/2011 6:51:03 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: varina davis

As far as “trash the women” this accuser doesn’t make sense. If she was attacked by Cain, why would she have him drive her home? Why wouldn’t she do anything at the time? Why would she gush over him at a campaign stop? I know they say when there is smoke there is fire, but this isn’t even good smoke- hard to tell if it is smoke or just clouds. I think she is mental and looking for attention.


16 posted on 11/08/2011 6:52:22 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: varina davis
“But the sad thing is that GOPers are acting exactly like the Dems when Bill was accused: trashing the women, saying all women are liars, and if it really happened, it was all “just about sex” anyway. It’s actually about honesty and trustworthiness - and judgment, none of which I would say are possessed by Cain.”

Those reactions may be wrong; but the presence of dem operative Gloria Alred certainly makes this whole thing look like a setup.

17 posted on 11/08/2011 6:54:02 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Tammy8

Dry ice makes smoke, too.


18 posted on 11/08/2011 6:55:36 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: martosko

Why all the Clinton comparisons when we have a better, more recent example to compare it to? Sharon Bialik is the Larry Craig of the 2012 election. Until her story is vetted, she shouldn’t be taken any more seriously than the media wanted us to take Larry Craig’s story.


19 posted on 11/08/2011 6:56:18 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: TexasFreeper2009
["I know EXACTLY what kind of woman she is, someone a couple of posts up hit the nail on the head calling her a two bagger. This is the kind of crazy middle aged skank ho, that sleazy middle aged men use then toss away like toilet paper because no matter how much she puts out, she is so freaking nuts it doesn’t matter. But from 20 feet she looks sort of hot, and makes a little man look like a big shot at a party, and it’s a guaranteed lay at the end of the night,......."]

Nothing but class, right? Now wonder you fail to see what the real issue is.

20 posted on 11/08/2011 6:56:37 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: livius
But the sad thing is that GOPers are acting exactly like the Dems when Bill was accused: trashing the women, saying all women are liars, and if it really happened, it was all “just about sex” anyway. It’s actually about honesty and trustworthiness - and judgment, none of which I would say are possessed by Cain.

If true, I would agree with you. The issue is whether the woman's claims are true. I don't find them terribly plausible at this point, and I'll admit that is partly because I assumed the far left would try the "black man threatening a white woman sexually" gambit because in their racist minds that seems like a frightening thought. If this turns out to be true, then I agree, and it might be time to settle for Newt. Otherwise, I'm still supporting Cain for now. It's not a pretty political field for America, but Cain is the best we have with you-know-who not running.

21 posted on 11/08/2011 6:58:56 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: All

What I want to know is if this woman continued talking to Cain after his alleged groping.


22 posted on 11/08/2011 6:59:01 AM PST by Fawn (No TO PERRY!!!!!!!!!)
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To: reasonisfaith

Not just the Dems. There are many in the Republican party who want to bring down Rev. Cain.


23 posted on 11/08/2011 6:59:48 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: martosko

24 posted on 11/08/2011 7:01:38 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: livius
You are a brave soul to say what you have on this Cainiac infected forum.

Here's what Bill Bennett said about it:

Bennett: This Is Not a ‘Lynching’ of Herman Cain
"It is hypocritical in the extreme for those members of the media who didn’t take the charges and allegations against Bill Clinton seriously to be taking the allegations against Herman Cain that we now have as seriously as they are. Hypocritical is probably too soft a word, frankly.

That said, Herman Cain and his campaign chief of staff, Mark Block, cannot go on as they have. There has been a pattern now that is both unhealthy for our politics and unhealthy for our polity.

Four women are not an insignificant number. One or two anonymous charges, perhaps. Three anonymous charges (where, as I understand the story, Cain knows of at least two of the women) plus one woman who went very public and opened herself up to all manner of investigation are a lot. It is no longer insignificant. Neither is it insignificant that the Cain campaign discounted the charges in the initial stories, saying they were based on anonymous sources, only to make a mockery by blaming other campaigns with less substantiation than the original stories.

If Herman Cain wants to be taken seriously as a public advocate for anything, never mind running for the chief executive and commander in chief of the most powerful and important and blessed country in the world, he needs to give a full press conference dedicated exclusively to this issue and these allegations.

I have watched long enough and held my tongue long enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, but can no longer say this is a witch hunt, “a lynching” to use his word, or any other euphemism. There are allegations out there that matter and they have stacked up. For we who led the charge against Bill Clinton on a number of related issues to continue to blame the media or other campaigns or say it simply doesn’t matter makes us the hypocrites as well."
Seems like people on these threads, the "Cainiacs," are more interested in bashing these women and protecting their beloved candidate than they are in finding out the truth.

If you don't drink the Cain Kool-aid, you will be attacked, villified and labeled as a RINO or a troll--simply for asking questions.
25 posted on 11/08/2011 7:01:41 AM PST by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: rwilson99

Exactly. Cain is being lynched...and some idiot Republicans are playing along. Hussein is a disaster. He is DEMONSTRABLY raping liberty, capitalism, and freedom with his fascist regime. Hussein’s crimes should be the focus of our attention.

Bullcrap rumors ought to be ignored. If these women have a legal case, bring it. Otherwise shut it.


26 posted on 11/08/2011 7:05:07 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: livius; varina davis

Wow. So despite the fact that Cain’s side of the story has been corraborated by outside witnesses, as well as NRA’s own statement on Friday, you choose to believe instead some “anonymous” allegations (of what we are still not sure) as well as Shannon Bialek whose story is falling apart right in front of our eyes.

It must be sad to need your candidate to win so badly that you would perpetuate an incredible unfounded bias towards another, honest, Christian conservative.

Some of you need some real heart and soul searching to see what is the bottom of all this hate. I’m not saying support Cain’s candidacy, but check the level of animosity you exhibit towards him. It is not healthy.


27 posted on 11/08/2011 7:05:38 AM PST by justsaynomore (Pray for Herman Cain)
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To: varina davis
Worth repeating:

Since when is a lie worth repeating?

28 posted on 11/08/2011 7:10:41 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: justsaynomore

There is a kind of Cain hatred among conservatives that gives me the creeps. After reading these threads I feel as if I’ve visited DU, and need a shower. Exculpatory evidence has surfaced, but it flows off the Cain haters like logic off a moonbat. It’s scary and sickening.


29 posted on 11/08/2011 7:11:56 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

I should have said, ‘among *some* conservatives’.


30 posted on 11/08/2011 7:13:30 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: tbpiper

When it benefits the other guy...


31 posted on 11/08/2011 7:14:37 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Tammy8

It’s abundantly clear to me that Dem operatives have been dragging out these women and feeding them a script....I’m not falling for it....and even if it’s true...so what? If Cain was a Democrat it would be considered a resume enhancer.

I’m over it, I just don’t care anymore about what a politician does, I just assume they’re all philanderers, it’s a wash.


32 posted on 11/08/2011 7:16:22 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Sudetenland

I love Bill Bennett but he’s absolutely wrong on this issue. The problem with certain intellectuals is that they cannot see the resemblance between an intellectual Supreme Court Justice and a populist, dynamic presidential contender. So because they are unalike in terms of personality and life experiences, intellectuals like Bennett cannot see the similarities of what both men have gone through.

Herman Cain is not Justice Thomas. But he is a black man going through a high-tech lynching.


33 posted on 11/08/2011 7:16:34 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: livius
It’s actually about honesty and trustworthiness - and judgment, none of which I would say are possessed by Cain.

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I believe all of this woman's story except the crotch grabbing/head pushing part.

I agree with you on the part about Cain lacking in judgement.

The stories we have heard certainly points to lack of good judgement by Herman Cain, in my opinion.

It doesn't matter if it is fair or not, true or not-- it is poor judgement that got him in this predicament.

Heck, even the picture of Cain with that woman at a Tea Party a month ago shows Cain's hand in a position that has gotten costumed Disney characters in trouble.

Not that I think it IS a grope or anything bad at all--but he needs to pay attention to these details no matter how innocent.

Nowadays people will find anything to nail ya with.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/8592168-452/witness-cain-accuser-hugged-him-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html#.Trk7rvDDDrA.twitter

34 posted on 11/08/2011 7:19:20 AM PST by Irenic
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To: Fantasywriter
There is a kind of Cain hatred among conservatives that gives me the creeps.

It clearly illustrates why so many good, qualified people never run for office. Herman had nothing but the best intentions and as his reward he sees a lifetime of accomplishments get trashed while the people who should be supporting him jump on the bandwagon instead, just because they think it might help a different candidate.

35 posted on 11/08/2011 7:23:12 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Sudetenland

Cain’s giving a press conference today, so that ought to make Bennett happy.


36 posted on 11/08/2011 7:23:21 AM PST by Spirit of Liberty (http://www.honorflight.org/)
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To: martosko

Cain’s toast


37 posted on 11/08/2011 7:24:53 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: justsaynomore

Sorry to offend you, but from the beginning Herman Cain has always seemed to me just like the fictional character Elmer Gantry of book and movie fame.

Gantry was also a charmer who shouted his evangelical prose in tent services across the country but became human soon enough when confronted by the preacher’s daughter he defamed. The author is Sinclair Lewis.

And BTW, I am sick of 9-9-9. I’m not in the mood for any type of added taxes.

Disclaimer: Gov. Rick Perry is my candidate of choice.


38 posted on 11/08/2011 7:25:16 AM PST by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: dfwgator

I think I agree with what you are saying. Dem. operatives drag out these stories of unspeakable behavior towards women, and we’re supposed to be so shocked at such lurid allegations, that we drop all support for Cain.

The same liberals who are so shocked about this had nothing to say about Bill Clinton, or defended Bill Clinton, or perform character assassination against Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, etc.

The fact that Gloria Allred is orchestrating the story of at least this one girl who went public actually makes me doubt her story that much more.

It’s all political character assassination. We are not seeing these stories come out to give us a better perspective on the character or positions of Herman Cain.


39 posted on 11/08/2011 7:25:49 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Irenic

As far as judgement is concerned, maybe the lesson is — for men in positions of power, never, ever be alone with a girl who is not your wife. Who knows what will be said about it years later.


40 posted on 11/08/2011 7:27:18 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: martosko
There is and should be, lacking any solid evidence or corroborating witnesses, a different response to accusations that seem in character vs. out of character for the accused. Charges of harassment, schtupping the hired help, and even rape were in character for Bill Clinton. One doesn't have campaign staff specifically devoted to defusing Bimbo Eruptions if multiple such eruptions aren't expected.

But unless and until we see corroborating evidence, and considering the long standing habit of the major press organs to invent stories and lie, I will take Mr. Cain at his word. Not just because his current known accuser is a plasticized serial bankrupt in desperate need of money (isn't the Internet a wonder?) but because the accusations are at odds with everything else that is known or can be perceived in the man's character.

That's not to say we can't be entirely wrong about a person's character. We only have to look as far as State College, PA this week to see that someone everybody thought a pillar of the community was and is in fact a monster. But pending some evidence of wrong doing I'm still more on the Cain Train than not.

41 posted on 11/08/2011 7:27:57 AM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Sadly, I think that is a fairly accurate statement.


42 posted on 11/08/2011 7:29:20 AM PST by Irenic
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To: Don Corleone; All
So, let's get this straight. A woman who produces two sworn affidavits by concurrent witnesses to her claim is not credible, nor are the assertions make by three other women, because they have no evidence, BUT this account IS credible with no more evidence than the word of this individual.

This account is credible to you Cainiacs even though several other people who claimed to be all knowing about who attended the tea-party meeting have publicly stated that they didn't remember seeing this woman (who they also say anyone would certainly remember) in their efforts to destroy the woman's credibility after she had claimed to have attended the meeting.

Are you Cainiacs so blinded by your love of Cain that you are unable to see the irony in all of your attacks?

One can only come to the conclusion that you Cainiacs don't find her credible for the sole reason that she is accusing Herman Cain, your anointed candidate.

You now have the accusations of four separate women claiming essentially the exact same treatment by Cain on four separate occasions. If this was occurring against Obama or Bill Clinton, you would already have him charged, convicted, and strung up by his short and curlies.

Really? How rational is that???
43 posted on 11/08/2011 7:29:46 AM PST by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

You said it well. When a Dem is accused, his side defends him. It should be noted, however, that few Dems are accused w/out good evidence, b/c the MSM will only run w slipshod hearsay against a GOPer.

When flimsy or even contradictory accusations are made against a GOPer, they get little support and often are slimed by fellow conservatives [as witnessed on this thread]. How anyone thinks this is going to serve us well in the fight to retire Obama is unfathomable.

If a similar woman w similar claims came out w Gloria Allred against *their* candidate, they would suddenly notice the issues w the story’s credibility. It is disgusting to watch conservatives go after Cain on the basis of such questionable evidence. Who needs Dems, when conservatives will do their work for them?


44 posted on 11/08/2011 7:30:57 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: livius
My my livius you have been very busy trashing Mr. Cain.p>

It’s actually about honesty and trustworthiness - and judgment, none of which I would say are possessed by Cain.

Cain’s the liar, ala Bill Clinton. I am disgusted by the way he is cynically manipulating people who trust him.

He obviously went after people he thought were vulnerable, not interested in anything more than a fling, and probably did this on many occasions with people who did not complain because it was their habit to have a one-night stand on a business trip.

It has been very ugly. And I simply don’t understand the insane devotion to a personality. I thought conservatives were more mature than that, but I guess not.

These are pretty strong judgments from someone who admits,

I don’t know whether the claims against Cain were true and frankly I don’t care.

I am personally offended by people who are willing to condemn others based on a scurrilous political smear jobs before any credible evidence has been offered. Comparing the allegations against Mr. Cain to those brought against President Clinton are laughable. There was ample proof and substance to the allegations against President Clinton. The fact that you admit that you could not care less about whether any of the claims against Mr. Cain are true makes me wonder about your mental stability.

45 posted on 11/08/2011 7:35:33 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: varina davis

The first three women are anonymous and we have no specifics whatsoever.

This current one, the only one with a name, is a demonstrable flake with a dire financial situation. Do I need to link the specifics, or can you navigate Free Republic on your own? Her history has been amply shown here.

And on this, you trash Cain? Really?


46 posted on 11/08/2011 7:38:58 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: varina davis

Yes I do find that offensive. You do realize many on Free Republic know this man, right? Some of have worked on his 2004 Senate run, there are also colleagues Cain, and even someone who teaches his grandchildren.

He is not some unknown. Do you even know his bio? Do you believe he could have climbed the corporate ladder like he did as a con? A degree in math, masters in computer science, worked for the Dept of the Navy, Coke as a systems analyst, Pillsbury, Godfathers, NRA... You cannot CON your way into that kind of success for that long. It is simply not possible.

If you don’t like his “delivery” look at his writing. All of his books are excellent but if you don’t want to buy a book, you can read his commentaries here:

http://www.thinkersvoice.com/content/cainscommentary

and here:

http://economicfreedomcoalition.com/press-opinion.asp


47 posted on 11/08/2011 7:39:17 AM PST by justsaynomore (Pray for Herman Cain)
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To: Sudetenland
“Sworn affidavits”

from anonymous sources are less than worthless. They are only evidence of a political smear. People who claim to be conservatives who are willing to condemn others based on nothing but a MSM smear job are nothing but mindless tools for the Left.

48 posted on 11/08/2011 7:44:33 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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49 posted on 11/08/2011 7:47:24 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: martosko

“What was previously a smattering of anonymous sexual harassment accusations has now become a very specific allegation of sexual assault.”

Sexual assault? She claims he made a pass at her. Except for black conservatives, that is not normally referred to as sexual assault. If it actually happened, it would be best described as “attempted adultery.”


50 posted on 11/08/2011 7:52:29 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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