Skip to comments.Herman Cainís Bill Clinton moment
Posted on 11/08/2011 6:30:59 AM PST by martosko
Mondays Gloria Allred-assisted bombshell about Herman Cain is inspiring a wide range of reactions from all corners of the American political landscape. Liberals are occupying the narrow dynamic range between we-told-you-so and general Schaddenfreude. But conservatives positions seem decidedly mixed. This shouldnt be so.
Everything should have changed Monday for future Republican primary voters, even for die-hard riders of the Cain Train.
What was previously a smattering of anonymous sexual harassment accusations has now become a very specific allegation of sexual assault. And what had suggested a tenuous analogy to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas now evokes a firm President Clinton déjà vu.
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The Cain Train is not derailed by bottom feeders.
...and we all know how Paula, Juanita & Kathleen used to hug Bill at Campaign events.
The only relevant story in all this is how the left will do anything to stop independent thinking, especially among black people—and how they will commit the most extreme moral crimes in order to accomplish their goal.
At this point, I can practically guarantee you that this women is suffering from some sort of mental illness and has probably been seeing a therapist for a decade or more.
I know EXACTLY what kind of woman she is, someone a couple of posts up hit the nail on the head calling her a two bagger. This is the kind of crazy middle aged skank ho, that sleazy middle aged men use then toss away like toilet paper because no matter how much she puts out, she is so freaking nuts it doesnt matter. But from 20 feet she looks sort of hot, and makes a little man look like a big shot at a party, and it’s a guaranteed lay at the end of the night, followed quickly by the man escaping from her room filled with teddy bears or unicorns or whatever her particular obsession is.
this woman needs serious psychological help, and Gloria Alred should be ashamed to have exploited such an obviously deranged individual in such a public way.
This isn’t a “Bill Clinton” moment. It is the REAL Clarence thomas. Specific? Let me give you speicific: Coke can.
This is rather odd. Witness: Cain accuser hugged him during Tea Party meeting a month ago http://tinyurl.com/7kf2tbc
REAL Clarence thomas = Real clarence thomas moment
Sadly true. I was very offfended by the comparisons with Thomas, because first of all, there was no paper trail (Cain actually had two employment complaints against him) and the allegations were more than tenuous. Also, I don’t like the race card that Cain is playing: he is not being attacked for being black, and any white GOP candidate with that track record would have had exactly to answer exactly the same questions. He knew what was in his past and he should have been prepared to answer when he became a candidate.
But the sad thing is that GOPers are acting exactly like the Dems when Bill was accused: trashing the women, saying all women are liars, and if it really happened, it was all “just about sex” anyway. It’s actually about honesty and trustworthiness - and judgment, none of which I would say are possessed by Cain.
So sorry your offended.....are you a Willard supporter?
“But the sad thing is that GOPers are acting exactly like the Dems when Bill was accused: trashing the women, saying all women are liars, and if it really happened, it was all just about sex anyway. Its actually about honesty and trustworthiness - and judgment, none of which I would say are possessed by Cain.”
so you find this lady at all credible. I do not. The first one was clearly and undeniably a bottom feeder who made false accusations, found not credible and shown the door for the lowest possible severance package.
There was a $850,000 settlement in a Clinton case..a legal settlement of the case. With Cain, there was no settlement on the charges, and simply a minor severance package agreement to go away for $35,000. As many corporate attorneys have stated, that is the award for a nuisance case, not a case with cause.
I couldn’t disagree more. On a more probable than not basis (IMHO, fairly significantly more probable than not, based on what we know), this woman is out and out lying.
If the woman is out and out lying, the meme here is the Clarence Thomas meme—this is nothing but a high tech lynching.
And even if what she said were (mostly) true, so what? The guy made a crude pass—and stopped when the woman said no. It does NOT involve a chronic misuse of power, the way Clinton’s problems did.
So, if a gold digger makes an accusation, it must be true.
As far as “trash the women” this accuser doesn’t make sense. If she was attacked by Cain, why would she have him drive her home? Why wouldn’t she do anything at the time? Why would she gush over him at a campaign stop? I know they say when there is smoke there is fire, but this isn’t even good smoke- hard to tell if it is smoke or just clouds. I think she is mental and looking for attention.
Those reactions may be wrong; but the presence of dem operative Gloria Alred certainly makes this whole thing look like a setup.
Dry ice makes smoke, too.
Why all the Clinton comparisons when we have a better, more recent example to compare it to? Sharon Bialik is the Larry Craig of the 2012 election. Until her story is vetted, she shouldn’t be taken any more seriously than the media wanted us to take Larry Craig’s story.
Nothing but class, right? Now wonder you fail to see what the real issue is.
If true, I would agree with you. The issue is whether the woman's claims are true. I don't find them terribly plausible at this point, and I'll admit that is partly because I assumed the far left would try the "black man threatening a white woman sexually" gambit because in their racist minds that seems like a frightening thought. If this turns out to be true, then I agree, and it might be time to settle for Newt. Otherwise, I'm still supporting Cain for now. It's not a pretty political field for America, but Cain is the best we have with you-know-who not running.
What I want to know is if this woman continued talking to Cain after his alleged groping.
Not just the Dems. There are many in the Republican party who want to bring down Rev. Cain.
"It is hypocritical in the extreme for those members of the media who didnt take the charges and allegations against Bill Clinton seriously to be taking the allegations against Herman Cain that we now have as seriously as they are. Hypocritical is probably too soft a word, frankly.Seems like people on these threads, the "Cainiacs," are more interested in bashing these women and protecting their beloved candidate than they are in finding out the truth.
That said, Herman Cain and his campaign chief of staff, Mark Block, cannot go on as they have. There has been a pattern now that is both unhealthy for our politics and unhealthy for our polity.
Four women are not an insignificant number. One or two anonymous charges, perhaps. Three anonymous charges (where, as I understand the story, Cain knows of at least two of the women) plus one woman who went very public and opened herself up to all manner of investigation are a lot. It is no longer insignificant. Neither is it insignificant that the Cain campaign discounted the charges in the initial stories, saying they were based on anonymous sources, only to make a mockery by blaming other campaigns with less substantiation than the original stories.
If Herman Cain wants to be taken seriously as a public advocate for anything, never mind running for the chief executive and commander in chief of the most powerful and important and blessed country in the world, he needs to give a full press conference dedicated exclusively to this issue and these allegations.
I have watched long enough and held my tongue long enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, but can no longer say this is a witch hunt, a lynching to use his word, or any other euphemism. There are allegations out there that matter and they have stacked up. For we who led the charge against Bill Clinton on a number of related issues to continue to blame the media or other campaigns or say it simply doesnt matter makes us the hypocrites as well."
Exactly. Cain is being lynched...and some idiot Republicans are playing along. Hussein is a disaster. He is DEMONSTRABLY raping liberty, capitalism, and freedom with his fascist regime. Hussein’s crimes should be the focus of our attention.
Bullcrap rumors ought to be ignored. If these women have a legal case, bring it. Otherwise shut it.
Wow. So despite the fact that Cain’s side of the story has been corraborated by outside witnesses, as well as NRA’s own statement on Friday, you choose to believe instead some “anonymous” allegations (of what we are still not sure) as well as Shannon Bialek whose story is falling apart right in front of our eyes.
It must be sad to need your candidate to win so badly that you would perpetuate an incredible unfounded bias towards another, honest, Christian conservative.
Some of you need some real heart and soul searching to see what is the bottom of all this hate. I’m not saying support Cain’s candidacy, but check the level of animosity you exhibit towards him. It is not healthy.
Since when is a lie worth repeating?
There is a kind of Cain hatred among conservatives that gives me the creeps. After reading these threads I feel as if I’ve visited DU, and need a shower. Exculpatory evidence has surfaced, but it flows off the Cain haters like logic off a moonbat. It’s scary and sickening.
I should have said, ‘among *some* conservatives’.
When it benefits the other guy...
It’s abundantly clear to me that Dem operatives have been dragging out these women and feeding them a script....I’m not falling for it....and even if it’s true...so what? If Cain was a Democrat it would be considered a resume enhancer.
I’m over it, I just don’t care anymore about what a politician does, I just assume they’re all philanderers, it’s a wash.
I love Bill Bennett but he’s absolutely wrong on this issue. The problem with certain intellectuals is that they cannot see the resemblance between an intellectual Supreme Court Justice and a populist, dynamic presidential contender. So because they are unalike in terms of personality and life experiences, intellectuals like Bennett cannot see the similarities of what both men have gone through.
Herman Cain is not Justice Thomas. But he is a black man going through a high-tech lynching.
I believe all of this woman's story except the crotch grabbing/head pushing part.
I agree with you on the part about Cain lacking in judgement.
The stories we have heard certainly points to lack of good judgement by Herman Cain, in my opinion.
It doesn't matter if it is fair or not, true or not-- it is poor judgement that got him in this predicament.
Heck, even the picture of Cain with that woman at a Tea Party a month ago shows Cain's hand in a position that has gotten costumed Disney characters in trouble.
Not that I think it IS a grope or anything bad at all--but he needs to pay attention to these details no matter how innocent.
Nowadays people will find anything to nail ya with.
It clearly illustrates why so many good, qualified people never run for office. Herman had nothing but the best intentions and as his reward he sees a lifetime of accomplishments get trashed while the people who should be supporting him jump on the bandwagon instead, just because they think it might help a different candidate.
Cain’s giving a press conference today, so that ought to make Bennett happy.
Sorry to offend you, but from the beginning Herman Cain has always seemed to me just like the fictional character Elmer Gantry of book and movie fame.
Gantry was also a charmer who shouted his evangelical prose in tent services across the country but became human soon enough when confronted by the preacher’s daughter he defamed. The author is Sinclair Lewis.
And BTW, I am sick of 9-9-9. I’m not in the mood for any type of added taxes.
Disclaimer: Gov. Rick Perry is my candidate of choice.
I think I agree with what you are saying. Dem. operatives drag out these stories of unspeakable behavior towards women, and we’re supposed to be so shocked at such lurid allegations, that we drop all support for Cain.
The same liberals who are so shocked about this had nothing to say about Bill Clinton, or defended Bill Clinton, or perform character assassination against Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, etc.
The fact that Gloria Allred is orchestrating the story of at least this one girl who went public actually makes me doubt her story that much more.
It’s all political character assassination. We are not seeing these stories come out to give us a better perspective on the character or positions of Herman Cain.
As far as judgement is concerned, maybe the lesson is — for men in positions of power, never, ever be alone with a girl who is not your wife. Who knows what will be said about it years later.
But unless and until we see corroborating evidence, and considering the long standing habit of the major press organs to invent stories and lie, I will take Mr. Cain at his word. Not just because his current known accuser is a plasticized serial bankrupt in desperate need of money (isn't the Internet a wonder?) but because the accusations are at odds with everything else that is known or can be perceived in the man's character.
That's not to say we can't be entirely wrong about a person's character. We only have to look as far as State College, PA this week to see that someone everybody thought a pillar of the community was and is in fact a monster. But pending some evidence of wrong doing I'm still more on the Cain Train than not.
Sadly, I think that is a fairly accurate statement.
You said it well. When a Dem is accused, his side defends him. It should be noted, however, that few Dems are accused w/out good evidence, b/c the MSM will only run w slipshod hearsay against a GOPer.
When flimsy or even contradictory accusations are made against a GOPer, they get little support and often are slimed by fellow conservatives [as witnessed on this thread]. How anyone thinks this is going to serve us well in the fight to retire Obama is unfathomable.
If a similar woman w similar claims came out w Gloria Allred against *their* candidate, they would suddenly notice the issues w the story’s credibility. It is disgusting to watch conservatives go after Cain on the basis of such questionable evidence. Who needs Dems, when conservatives will do their work for them?
Its actually about honesty and trustworthiness - and judgment, none of which I would say are possessed by Cain.
Cains the liar, ala Bill Clinton. I am disgusted by the way he is cynically manipulating people who trust him.
He obviously went after people he thought were vulnerable, not interested in anything more than a fling, and probably did this on many occasions with people who did not complain because it was their habit to have a one-night stand on a business trip.
It has been very ugly. And I simply dont understand the insane devotion to a personality. I thought conservatives were more mature than that, but I guess not.
These are pretty strong judgments from someone who admits,
I dont know whether the claims against Cain were true and frankly I dont care.
I am personally offended by people who are willing to condemn others based on a scurrilous political smear jobs before any credible evidence has been offered. Comparing the allegations against Mr. Cain to those brought against President Clinton are laughable. There was ample proof and substance to the allegations against President Clinton. The fact that you admit that you could not care less about whether any of the claims against Mr. Cain are true makes me wonder about your mental stability.
The first three women are anonymous and we have no specifics whatsoever.
This current one, the only one with a name, is a demonstrable flake with a dire financial situation. Do I need to link the specifics, or can you navigate Free Republic on your own? Her history has been amply shown here.
And on this, you trash Cain? Really?
Yes I do find that offensive. You do realize many on Free Republic know this man, right? Some of have worked on his 2004 Senate run, there are also colleagues Cain, and even someone who teaches his grandchildren.
He is not some unknown. Do you even know his bio? Do you believe he could have climbed the corporate ladder like he did as a con? A degree in math, masters in computer science, worked for the Dept of the Navy, Coke as a systems analyst, Pillsbury, Godfathers, NRA... You cannot CON your way into that kind of success for that long. It is simply not possible.
If you don’t like his “delivery” look at his writing. All of his books are excellent but if you don’t want to buy a book, you can read his commentaries here:
from anonymous sources are less than worthless. They are only evidence of a political smear. People who claim to be conservatives who are willing to condemn others based on nothing but a MSM smear job are nothing but mindless tools for the Left.
“What was previously a smattering of anonymous sexual harassment accusations has now become a very specific allegation of sexual assault.”
Sexual assault? She claims he made a pass at her. Except for black conservatives, that is not normally referred to as sexual assault. If it actually happened, it would be best described as “attempted adultery.”