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United States Is Getting Colder, Not Warmer
Powerline ^ | November 7, 2011 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 11/08/2011 10:44:54 AM PST by QT3.14

At Watts Up With That, data from the National Climatic Data Center are reviewed. The results are quite startling. Every region of the continental United States has shown a cooling trend during the winter from 2001 to the present, and five of the nine regions have also had a cooling trend during the summer. With respect to annual mean temperature, only one of nine regions–the Northeast–has gotten warmer; the other eight have gotten cooler.

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1 posted on 11/08/2011 10:45:00 AM PST by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

I’d like to hear what Texans have to say about that.


2 posted on 11/08/2011 10:48:18 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: QT3.14

I’d like to hear what Texans have to say about that.


3 posted on 11/08/2011 10:48:37 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: QT3.14

Remember, it’s getting colder because of negative feedback loops caused by global warming. Meaning that if it were not so hot it would not be so cold.

Really, all changes in climate are caused by global warming. Everyone knows that! There’s a consensus!!!

[/sarc]


4 posted on 11/08/2011 10:49:41 AM PST by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: QT3.14

United States getting normal, not un-normal.


5 posted on 11/08/2011 10:51:34 AM PST by InvisibleChurch ( go in peace , serve the Lord)
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To: QT3.14
only one of nine regions–the Northeast–has gotten warmer; the other eight have gotten cooler.

Having just got over a 5 day power outage caused by a pre-Halloween snowstorm, after record snow the previous winter, I'd beg to differ with this statement.

6 posted on 11/08/2011 10:52:21 AM PST by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: QT3.14
- http://www.skepticalscience.com/going-down-the-up-escalator-part-1.html
7 posted on 11/08/2011 10:54:08 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: QT3.14

And wetter or at least where I live...


8 posted on 11/08/2011 10:54:11 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: QT3.14

It was in the low 70’s yesterday. 75 today. I love it here! Full moon makes the evenings a joy as well. I was working on my new shed by moonlight last night. Too cool.


9 posted on 11/08/2011 10:55:16 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: luckystarmom

Last winter, the Houston Texas area saw as many snowfalls as we often would get in a typical decade.


10 posted on 11/08/2011 10:57:15 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

How realists view global warming:

Follow the money.


11 posted on 11/08/2011 10:57:35 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: QT3.14

I’m a Texan! This summer was hot and dry, very hot, but lately winters have been cooler. I’d say summers are about the same in general, except last summer that was a hot one.


12 posted on 11/08/2011 11:03:12 AM PST by jpsb
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

The problem is, there is always someone willing to provide whatever “information” is required to reinforce a particular viewpoint. And then that “information” provider will attempt to profit from the data, manufactured or real.

I’m highly skeptical of global warming, but not unwilling to examine real facts. Real, undistorted facts are difficult to find.


13 posted on 11/08/2011 11:03:26 AM PST by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: QT3.14
Too much CO2/chlorofluorocarbons clog up the atmosphere, thus creating a blanket which prevents the sun from doing the natural phenonomom of creating perfect weather conditions. The development from unnatural predators, otherwise known as mankind, of certain evil inventions like the combustible engine, central air conditioners, refrigerators and hair spray have ruined the universe. Perfection can be achieved if we sanitize the universe of people that are not followers of group think. /s
14 posted on 11/08/2011 11:06:21 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

Very nice graph of 30 years. So what?

Show me a graph of the past 10,000, and I’ll be impressed. The earth is 4.6 billion years old. 14,000 years ago, Niagra Falls did not exist. Why? It’s plateau was covered with ICE. It was the suddenly fast melt of that mile of ice that carved the Niagra Falls and associated gorge. What caused that warming?

30 years out of 4,600,000,000. Sheesh.


15 posted on 11/08/2011 11:06:21 AM PST by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: QT3.14
only one of nine regions–the Northeast–has gotten warmer;

Hmmm...I guess it is from the LIBERALS hot air there!!! the other eight have gotten cooler.

I guess I should go out and open a snowmobile shop in Florida!! (Maybe I can get the taxpayers to back this venture!! /s)

16 posted on 11/08/2011 11:07:16 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: QT3.14
I really like when our elite writers and politicians use a very basic word and then clarify its meaning by adding the phrase "not ". Example: - Hillary's pants are getting bigger, not smaller - We need less goverment, not more government
17 posted on 11/08/2011 11:07:50 AM PST by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: thackney

But then you had the very, very hot summer that I’m guessing made up for the winter.


18 posted on 11/08/2011 11:08:51 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

Other than this record breaking summer, which was so hot because of the lack of soil moisture from the drought, our summers have been slightly above average. I would also say that over the past decade, the reminder of the years have been also slightly above normal. What we don’t seem to be having are the very sharp arctic outbreaks that last about a week and keep the high temperature below freezing for an extended period of time.


19 posted on 11/08/2011 11:09:44 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

hey!
Is that 1.5 degree increase from 1973 the same as the 1.5 degree increase from 1950 and the same 1.5 degree increase from 1880?

I’m ALARMED!!!

...but not by the impact of natural solar fluctuations....


20 posted on 11/08/2011 11:15:18 AM PST by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: crusty old prospector

I grew up in Dallas, and one year in the early 80’s, the temperature did not get above freezing for 3 weeks. White Rock Lake was frozen and people were ice skating on it.

My mom still lives in Dallas, and I don’t think she’s been In a winter as bad as that one.

A couple of years ago they had a bad ice storm and my parents were without electricity for almost a week. We never personally lost electricity when I was growing up. I think that was the worst winter for my parents.


21 posted on 11/08/2011 11:15:46 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
I remember that cold spell as Lake Lewisville also froze over and people (morons) were driving cars on it. The stock tanks around where I grew up froze over almost every year in the 1970’s and we used to play hockey on them with frozen cow patties and brooms. I was also in the Houston area in 1989 when the all-time record low of 6 degrees occurred. Everyone's cheap water pipes in the attic froze and burst.
22 posted on 11/08/2011 11:22:41 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: QT3.14; Nervous Tick; SteamShovel; Tunehead54; golux; tubebender; Fractal Trader; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

23 posted on 11/08/2011 11:24:59 AM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: brownsfan
I’m highly skeptical of global warming, but not unwilling to examine real facts. Real, undistorted facts are difficult to find.

The latest effort by people seeking "real, undistorted facts" (the Berkeley Earth Project):

- http://berkeleyearth.org/

24 posted on 11/08/2011 11:43:55 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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And even with your “real, undistorted facts” I find problems.

#1 - Berkeley? Red flag. Data from communists is often less than reliable. If they don’t flat out lie to fit their message, they more often then not will massage the data.

#2 - The rise seems to be significant, but warming doesn’t mean AGW. Climate changes. Weather is variable. Stuff happens.

#3 - And finally, 1800-2000, 200 years. So, for 200 years of data, they sound the alarm? How old is the planet? 4 billion years? How many warming/cooling cycles have been documented?

Here in NE Ohio, the weather people can’t get tomorrow’s weather correct. I’m being very literal, half the time they can’t get tomorrow’s weather correct. It’s amazing how the technology has made forecasters less accurate. I know climate isn’t weather, but they are related. If we are incapable of understanding one, how can we understand the other?


25 posted on 11/08/2011 11:58:23 AM PST by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
You might want to take a look at this in which a co-author of the Berkley Earth Project directly contradicts its conclusions. href=http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/10/climategate-redux-co-author-of-seminal.html
26 posted on 11/08/2011 12:07:11 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: brownsfan
How many warming/cooling cycles have been documented?


27 posted on 11/08/2011 12:13:44 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Note, though, that in this graphic, most of the eruptions appear to be either after it started getting colder or as things were getting warmer. Note especially the Little Ice Age. On the warm-up side there were a LOT of eruptions, but not immediately, within "weeks or months" of a cool-down except, perhaps, after Mt. Pinatubo.


28 posted on 11/08/2011 12:20:34 PM PST by aruanan
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To: brownsfan; Timocrat
Curry doesn't have any problems with the global temperature reconstruction itself, what she does maintain (correctly) is that one of the other authors (Muller) was incorrect when he stated that the data contains no "evidence of it [global warming] having slowed down".

Mueller's statement was incorrect because of precisely the issue presented in that first "skeptics versus realists" graph I posted: 10 or 15 years is not long enough to achieve a statistically significant discrimination between short-term and long-term temperature trends (that requires around 30 years).

That's why by cherry picking the data (as in the skeptic example in that graph) you can demonstrate that for a decade or so there have been numerous periods when the temperature trend for that period was downwards - even though the longer term trend has clearly been upwards.

So Curry is correct: the recent downward trend absolutely cannot be used to indicate that "global warming has not stopped", just as the same data cannot be used to demonstrate that "global warming has stopped".

Thus Curry's comment that Murry's comment "detracts from the credibility of the data, which is very unfortunate.’

So where does that leave us?

What the latest "skeptical" analysis does do is increase our confidence that previous global temperature reconstructions were reasonably accurate - that even when she bring more powerful statistical tools and careful reanalysis to questions such as siting induced errors there has been a substantial increase in global temperatures, prior to 1990.

WHY this happened is a separate question.

29 posted on 11/08/2011 12:45:45 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: QT3.14
United States Is Getting Colder....

"....and Leon is getting laaaaarger."

30 posted on 11/08/2011 12:48:00 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: thackney
There is no reason why AGW cannot be occurring in addition to other natural climate drivers (actually, it likely interacts with them).

You can even - if you wish to - consider human climate drivers just another "natural phenomena" - we are part of nature, after all.

We just happen to be a natural phenomena which is raising CO2 concentrations pretty quickly on the time frame in which we have been operating.

And there is nothing about this observation which implies that on a longer time frame there might be other natural phenomena which would act as more significant drivers of climate, or that over shorter time frames there may not be other natural phenomena (such as volcanic activity) that might be even more influential.

So what often strikes me as odd about this debate is the conviction that human activities are somehow so "different" that we are reluctant to apply quite well understood aspects of physics and chemistry to evaluating their likely results.

31 posted on 11/08/2011 1:00:36 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
apply quite well understood aspects of physics and chemistry to evaluating their likely results

I disagree that the modeling of the complex systems that comprise earth are well known enough to be accurately simulated.

32 posted on 11/08/2011 1:09:56 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
10 or 15 years is not long enough to achieve a statistically significant discrimination between short-term and long-term temperature trends (that requires around 30 years).

How about going back 160 years and using data which has not been " adjusted". A couple of rather interesting graphs from New Zealand which of all places one would suppose would need very little adjustment as it's surrounded by the Pacific Ocean and has little atmospheric pollution to speak of yet still has the same CO2 density as the rest of the planet.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/09/new-zealands-niwa-temperature-train-wreck/,/a>

33 posted on 11/08/2011 1:44:00 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: luckystarmom

I prefer Warming and I am in South Texas

TT


34 posted on 11/08/2011 2:19:44 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

You’re doing a good job presenting some of the data. There are problems with the data though. Now that the data is out in public, people are going to plow through it and as it is filtered by common scientific sense (and not just by people looking for global warming), the average will become valuable.


35 posted on 11/08/2011 4:03:45 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi
There are problems with the data though. Now that the data is out in public, people are going to plow through it and as it is filtered by common scientific sense (and not just by people looking for global warming), the average will become valuable.

Well, that's petty much what the Berkeley Earth Project did: started from scratch on the the data, took a fresh look at the statistical methods (and even managed to extend their data set back a bit further than had been done previously - which was a useful contribution)... and came up with almost exactly the same result as previous methods.

So you have to ask "How many bits of the apple is it reasonable to take", and expect to get a different result?

36 posted on 11/08/2011 6:32:43 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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37 posted on 11/08/2011 9:25:11 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: RedStateGuyTrappedinCT

The Northeast has gotten slightly warmer during the summer, but significantly colder during the winter. That is what the data stated. It is probably easy to see that by just observing how short spring and fall have become in your area the past few years. During an Ice Age, you have two seasons.


38 posted on 11/09/2011 1:39:19 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

The cooling has occurred during the last 10 years, so your graph is not even related to this story. Everyone agrees that the 1998 El Nino caused an upward spike in atmospheric temps. That is what strong El Ninos do. So everyone assumes a temperature increase from 1980’s leading up to 1998. Not stepped like you insinuate.


39 posted on 11/09/2011 1:44:48 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: jpsb
I’d say summers are about the same in general, except last summer that was a hot one.

Whenever you have record snow pack in the western US mountains, you might want to assume that summer time in Texas will be a barn burner. Watched the weather all summer long and the dominant air flow in your area was up from Mexico into Texas and out toward the east. The western mountains were cold due to record snow pack and may have formed a blocking pattern. The warm weather coming up from Mexico helped to develop the high pressure over Texas.

40 posted on 11/09/2011 1:51:23 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
What the latest "skeptical" analysis does do is increase our confidence that previous global temperature reconstructions were reasonably accurate

Not when all these studies source the same data set. All you have done is confirm that they analyzed the data correctly. Not that the data was valid in the first place. And any data that does not show the 1970's as cold, is highly suspect.

41 posted on 11/09/2011 2:01:00 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
So what often strikes me as odd about this debate is the conviction that human activities are somehow so "different" that we are reluctant to apply quite well understood aspects of physics and chemistry to evaluating their likely results.

It is not the differences that matter. All that matters is the magnitude of the influence. And you cannot warm the Earth with increased CO2 significantly at this point without a positive water vapor feedback. And to get that positive feedback in your models, you have to ignore clouds and rain.

42 posted on 11/09/2011 2:06:13 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
So you have to ask "How many bits of the apple is it reasonable to take", and expect to get a different result?

Perhaps you should try eating something else for a change. Land temps are horribly corrupted and significantly limited. This is primarily a water planet. Best to use sat temps of atmosphere and sea temps across depth. What apes think the temperature might be in their trees, is immaterial to the energy budget of the planet sun biosphere.

43 posted on 11/09/2011 2:14:36 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

I still don’t believe.


44 posted on 11/09/2011 2:30:48 AM PST by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

The BEST project made the data public. Skeptics have not had the chance to plow through the data.


45 posted on 11/09/2011 3:13:41 AM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Click on image for WUWT story. Was pretty much dealt with right after it was released. Even BEST data confirms a stalling of temps. So they got half way to the truth. Not bad for government apes.

46 posted on 11/09/2011 3:40:05 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: luckystarmom

Right.

I feel like we here in Texas took the rough end of the stick for all those who had a cooler/wetter Summer.

We broke every damn record there was....seems.


47 posted on 11/09/2011 3:59:43 AM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: justa-hairyape; M. Dodge Thomas
I agree with hairy ape. Satellite temps show about 1-2 degrees of warming per century since 1979. The lower value is based on the fact the in 82 we were hit with El Chichon which bumped temps down a lot and biased the early part of the satellite record. Using land temps is a fool's game, the data is garbage (never mind the metadata).

So what we have is 1 degree of warming per century with no sign of positive feedback from water vapor increases. That makes sense, CO2 is well mixed and warms evenly, that is the 1 degree per century. Water vapor is all over the place, controlled by weather which is mostly controlled by the sun (blocking patterns starting in the stratosphere modulated by solar ultraviolet). The ocean cycles are another form of weather that will control temperatures mostly regionally, also globally, with no effects from CO2. Some of the 80's and 90's warming is from decreased longwave radiation to space from the effects of those long term weather patterns.

48 posted on 11/09/2011 4:04:50 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi
The BEST project made the data public. Skeptics have not had the chance to plow through the data.

The BEST analysis is a "skeptical" analysis of the new aggregate data set, and it agrees pretty closely with previous findings.

IMO, it's very unlikely that additional analysis is going to much alter that finding.

49 posted on 11/09/2011 4:51:11 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
The BEST analysis is a "skeptical" analysis of the new aggregate data set, and it agrees pretty closely with previous findings.

Aggregated from the same data set. They just applied additional filters to the same data set. If does not show significant cooling from the 60's to the 70's, which is impossible. Any accurate data set must show that cooling because the world knows it happened. Later.

50 posted on 11/09/2011 5:25:10 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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