Skip to comments.Cain's Conundrum (Interesting Post by black female conservative Tara Wells)
Posted on 11/08/2011 12:41:52 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
Words matter in matters of race and sex. Herman Cain probably knows this better than anyone. In fact he made a point of correcting David Gregorys chosen vernacular on Meet The Press when he told the moderator that he preferred to be called black as opposed to African -American in the context of defining his race. Important distinction.
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How about Tara ask the accusers for clarity rather then the accused? Not the accused job to prove the lie.
or is Guilty until proven innocent now the standard?
And I appreciate the opinion of Francis Rice, Chairwoman of the National Black Republican Association:
HERMAN CAIN THE CITIZENS’ CANDIDATE
By Frances Rice
Guilty until proven innocent. This is the un-American standard set for Republican candidates when attacked by the liberal media. Those who want to destroy Herman Cains candidacy have given no consideration to the FACT that not one of the thousands of women Cain had contact with over his 40-year career has ever filed an Equal Employment Opportunity Commission complaint for the record, an action that would have resulted in Cain being fired, if the allegations were proven true. Why was no such complaint ever filed, if Cain was, indeed, a serial sexual harasser and created a hostile work environment, as is being alleged? The answer is simple. Herman Cain has never sexually harassed any one.
Those who are relentlessly attacking Cain are ignoring the exculpatory statements made by National Restaurant Association (NRA) officials who spoke on the record, saying that Cain never harassed women. Those quotes are buried in the last paragraph of the original Politico story:
Ron Magruder, Denise Marie Fugo and Joseph Fassler, the chair, vice chair and immediate past chairman of the National Restaurant Association board of directors at the time of Cains departure, said they hadnt heard about any complaints regarding Cain making unwanted advances.
I have never heard that. It would be news to me, said Fugo, who runs a Cleveland, Ohio, catering company, adding such behavior would be totally out of character for the Cain she knew. Hes very gracious.
Fassler, who helped bring Cain on board as CEO of the restaurant association, said that any inappropriate behavior was not brought to his attention and that he would be upset to learn it had gone on and he was not made aware of it.
Thats a shock to me, Fassler said. As an officer during all of Hermans years there as a paid executive none of that stuff ever surfaced to me. Nobody ever called me, complained about this, nor did I ever hear that from Peter Kilgore, nor did I ever hear that from Herman Cain.
Fassler who ran a Phoenix food-service company and finished his term as chairman the month before Cains June 1999 departure but remained on the boards executive committee described Cain as treating men and women identically and asserted it was not within his character to make unwanted advances. Its not what I know of him, Fassler said.
Much like Fassler, almost all board members remember Cain fondly and say he left on good terms.
Cain was extremely professional and fair to female staffers at the restaurant association, recalled Lee Ellen Hayes, who said she worked fairly closely with Cain in the late 1990s, when she was an executive at the National Restaurant Association Education Fund, a Chicago-based offshoot of the group.
The payments made to two women by the NRA were made when Cain was no longer with the organization. Here is a link to an article Sexual Harassment’s Legal Morass by Curt Levey that explains, in detail, why corporations will pay people off, even when complaints are baseless. Its cheaper than going through the legal process to prove the complaints are without merit. Disgruntled employees know this.
Here is a link to an article entitled Witness: Cain accuser hugged him during Tea Party meeting a month ago by Michael Sneed which shows that Cains latest accuser, Chicagoan Sharon Bialek, was quite comfortable in Cains presence just four weeks ago.
It would be a national travesty if we, as Republican primary voters, sanction the high-tech lynching of a decent, honest and accomplished black Republican who is being targeted for destruction by the liberal press because he dares to be a conservative. The liberals in the media dont care one wit about sexual harassment. Witness how they embraced and voted for egregiously philandering Democrats such as Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy and John Edwards. Details are in the article entitled Standards dont exist for Dems” by Holly Robichaud that can be read by clicking here.
The biased, hypocritical liberal journalists are hoping they can cause Republican primary voters to turn against Herman Cain, so we will get stuck with another moderate Republican as our presidential nominee who will not inspire the enthusiastic support of the Republican Party base. This will make it easier for the liberal press to drag President Barack Obama back into the White House so he can complete his systematic destruction of our economy with his out-of-control spending and crushing debt.
As author Michael Scheuer wrote, the Democratic Party is the party of the four Ss: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. Obama is a socialist and is bent on foisting on America his failed socialist policies. A general election contest between a black Democrat socialist who harbors disdain for America and a black Republican conservative who embraces our free enterprise system and loves America would put in stark relief the choice facing our country. Below is a summary of Cains educational and managerial experiences that make him imminently qualified to be our next president. A demonstration of how effective he is in debating Democrats can be seen from this video: Herman Cain Educates Clinton on Economics in 1994 HC [Health Care] Town Hall Forum”.
Unfortunately for liberals in the Obama-controlled state media who are busily destroying their own profession while gleefully attacking Cain, most Americans have their eyes wide open and many Republican primary voters have embraced Herman Cain as the Citizens Candidate. An insight into why Cains support among a plurality of Republicans has not diminished can be gained from reading the article Why We Should Be Unfair to Herman Cain by Andrew Klavan.
Cain is genuine, a man of integrity who has the courage to stand up for truth, justice and the American way.
Frances Rice is a lawyer, a retired Army lieutenant colonel and chairman of the National Black Republican Association. She may be contacted on the Internet at: www.NBRA.info
A Summary Of Herman Cains BIO Thats Better Than Any Candidate Of Any Party
* Bachelors degree in Mathematics.
* Masters degree in Computer Science.
* Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist).
* Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola.
* VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury (this is the top of the ladder in the computer world, being in charge of information systems for a major corporation).
All achieved before reaching the age of 35. Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers!
* Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsburys 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the companys poorest performers in the country.
He spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the companys best performers.
* Godfathers Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of their Godfathers Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months.
* In 1988 he led a buyout of the Godfathers Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain. Again he reached the top of the ladder of another industry.
* He was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time. This is a group that interacts with government on behalf of the restaurant industry, and it gave him political experience from the non-politician side.
Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again!
* Adviser to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses.
* Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve Bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.
After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!
* Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and They Think Youre Stupid.
* Radio Host. Around 2007after a remarkable 40-year careerhe started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country).
He did all this starting from rock bottom (his father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid). When you add up his accomplishments in his life, including reaching the top of three unrelated industries (information systems, business management, and banking), you can see that Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century. He knows more about creating jobs and the economy than any of the other candidates running for president. He solves problems.
Seems she is another parsing Nazi who wants to convict Cain by parsing his words instead of listening to them
You obviously have never been accused of any kind of harassment or EEOC impropriety or complaint against you if you are a physician, nurse etc. the complainers are anonymous.
In that forum, there are bureaucrats who have one job, and that is to convict you of wrong doing. You are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.
Let's see.....my boss is looking over my shoulder, or we're all standing around chatting. He rests his elbow on my shoulder while we're all chatting (I'm 5'3, his is 6 ft).
Is THAT considered sexually inappropriate???
I think these gals stop to need wearing the string undies that ride up their butts. It's making them quite uptight!
That wasn’t her argument, MNJ.
How about some clarity on a a dead Choir boy friend of Obama and two others. Non was convicted of this and has not been solved by Chicago Police.
In late May, Wash. DC-based investigative journalist Wayne Madsen had a bombshell revelation about Obamas membership in a Chicago gay club, Mans Country. Madsen also reported on Obamas sexual relationships with other men, including named D.C. politicians and Donald Young, the openly-gay choir-director of the church in Chicago of which Obama was a member for some 20 years Jeremy Wrights Trinity United Church of Christ black liberation theology. Obamas relationship with Young was confirmed by Larry Sinclair, who claims to have had two sex-cocaine trysts with Obama.
YOU are the one I printed his resume from! I hand them out when ever I can!
You haven’t recovered enough.
Ms. Rice is absolutely right, and her column does indeed deserve its own thread. She ought to be a guest on every talk show blathering the anti-Cain crap.
BTW, I'm not saying Tara is wrong...she isn't defending Cain to this degree, but she isn't bad mouthing him either.
Please post this column by Ms. Rice as a stand alone thread, it deserves attention.
Nope. Here you have an attempt to do the same. It is wrong in both settings. That it is being done in the one does not validate the use of the same tactics here.
Let me just ask this question...
If he did exhibit “behavior sexually inappropriate”, does this demand his withdrawing from the race?
Obama and Clinton both admitted to illegal drug use. That didn’t result in their withdrawal.
Women also use a claim of "sexual harassment" all the time as a weapon or lever as well.
Read it again. That is EXACTLY what she is doing.
The uptightness is making this society sick, sick, sick.
I worked in the urban jungle of NYC for 30 years and I know what sex harassment is. It is NOT an inappropriate gesture. It is some criminal who locks the door of his office when you’ve just put something on his desk. It is a boss who puts ads in Hustler and then asks you to bring the women into his office while you sit out there typing up his stupid memos. It is criminal and it is traumatizing. It does not make you go on television wearing a push-up bra and a big smile.
Sorry for the rant!
yes, Tara addresses that in the comments section.
By providing on the record character witnesses who contraction the accusations made at Cain.
Ah but when you WANT to believe the accusations about Cain, no amount of contrary fact matters to you, now does it?
You haven’t followed my posting history adequately enough.
I think you need to attend some Democrat Anonymous meetings! You are slipping off the wagon.
What if some dame falsely accused you of sexual anything? Supposing you were in the4 public eye. How would you handle that (presuming that you, too, are innocent). Anyone who has watched him closely and read his great book, “This is Herman Cain”, and who was brought up by such great parents as he was,fine knows by now the character of this gentleman.
It is very obvious that you are either working for Obama or Romney, or Perry! You sure as h e double toothpicks are not working for the betterment of your country, providing America is your country!
No, not at all! Of COURSE he should stay in the race!
I’m not promoting that at all.
Just wondering what would make WSB the "largest talk radio station in the country"? Wouldn't WABC in the NYC Metro area have more listeners and higher ad revenue?
By whom? By what standard? By the guy who thought Cain asking, "Darlin', would you doctor my tea for me?" was inappropriate? By someone who thought they might be fired soon so they used the sexual harassment card?
The problem is that women seem to be able to claim nearly ::anything:: is sexually inappropriate or, even better, makes them "uncomfortable." Just like the race card, the sex card makes the whole exercise meaningless.
You obviously haven’t followed my posting history. Which is fine, but making stupid accusations at me like that on this board reminds one of that Bialek woman: saying something that is untrue.
“Im not promoting that at all. Good Lord.”
Not directed to you.
It seems to be the unspoken assumption on the part of the media.
I remember while I worked at Citicorp from an older friend of mine about TRUE sexual harassment and what she went through. For me it was mind boggling as to what was allowed to go on.
If any new girl at our office ever heard me, a couple of other gals and our boss talking and laughing about stuff, we'd ALL be sued.
Last week, my boss was telling me, my co-worker and our book keeper a joke. He stopped in the middle and asked "can I say a dirty word?". He did that for the book keepers sake. If it was just my co worker and I, he knew there would be NO reason to stop and ask.
Heck, he could sue US for sexual harassment for what we put him through!!
It's due to competition (or lack of).
WSB is by far the biggest dog in the Atlanta talk market. And, it's signal is strong over most of North Georgia (actually, I've gotten it all the way in Anniston, Alabama during the daytime).
Their competitor's signals fade once you get outside of Atlanta proper.
On the other hand, I imagine the NY talk stations have more competition from other talk outlets.
Regardless of whether he is unfaithful to his wife or has a disregard for women in general, my problem with the man is strickly intuitive.
I flat out have a bad sense of this person.
I’m glad you have a happy work environment. This stupid stuff with Cain (a man with a genuine sense of humor - something women often lack or misunderstand) is going to have a very bad effect on the workplace. So glad I’m out of it, lol!
Spare us the fake concern. We know you real agenda smearbot
Oklahoma Consultant Claims He Witnessed Cain Harassment Wednesday, November 02, 2011 7:58:53 PM · 400 of 406 wolfcreek to napscoordinator Deserves? That's what they said about Obama. Cain actions of late tell me he is either very naive or guilty as hell
All of Georgia doesn't have two-thirds of the NYC Metro population. WABC has enormous range. I remember getting it in Indiana in the daytime when I was a kid. (Traveling with my father and hoping to listen to Mets baseball then.)
According top the thread you’ve posted. and anything you’ve replied to other posters, I calls them the way I sees them. I don’t know you from Adam, and we will just keep it that way. That I remind you of Sharon Blalek is very amusing.
I stand by what I said. My senses tell this man is a problem.
You don’t like it...lump it.
... considering that this is not simply a politically-motivated issue it is a moral one.
No, Tara, it is political all the way.
Looks like you are a paid Romneybot campaign operative pimping the smear in the hopes it will help your candidate.
Just like with Cain, no facts but an accusation has been made. Prove it a lie.
See why you really DO NOT want to try using this sleazy tactics?
Really want to play this trial by accusation game? It can be used against you as easily as it is being used against Cain.
Wise up, sleazy tactics like this will be turned on you.
Somebody really needs to reel this psycho in.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you for this information!
I didn’t know all of Mr. Cain’s accomplishments. This is wonderful information!
I think he’s made. Untouchable.
He does that to everybody...just put him on ignore...he’s just a spammer...
I do too wolfcreek. It has nothing to do with the sexual allegations because I felt it before this started coming out. I have paid very little attention to the allegations and even have a feeling that they might not be true but something about this man worries me.
I don't have a problem with people wanting to support their candidate but, not at the disparagement of others.
Lol, when I see that particular name I automatically skip over it...that’s my Ignore...lol
It’s intuition and it guides me.
I know to not ignore it.
“I flat out have a bad sense of this person.”
Would you want to elaborate on that? Seeking honest input, not challenging you.
I feel doom.
It's the old liberal framed seriousness of the charge trap. Even FReepers fall for it when it suits their agenda.
He knows he can say the most inappropriate things to myself and co worker, but no one else.....as we do him.
Unfortunately, we don't get any alone time with him any more =(.