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Utility company PROHIBITING illegal immigrants from obtaining electric, gas, water
Daily Mail ^ | 8th November 2011 | Nina Golgowski

Posted on 11/08/2011 1:25:49 PM PST by moonshinner_09

Utility company PROHIBITING illegal immigrants from obtaining electric, gas, water or sewer service in Alabama...

A major utilities company in Alabama is now prohibiting illegal immigrants from receiving electricity, gas, water or wastewater services to heated reactions on both sides, but they're just following the law.

The Decatur Utilities company is now one of many in the state that follows the newly signed immigration law which prohibits business with illegal immigrants in the state or its subdivisions.

'We did not [originally] document or confirm whether or not they were citizens or aliens here legally,' Stephen Pirkle, Decatur business manager and chief financial officer told the Decatur 'Because of the new law, we are now going through the process to confirm that they are either a citizen or an alien here legally. If not, we will deny them service,' he added.

Section 30 of the Beason-Hammon Alabama Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act, signed into law on June 9th of this year, will make it a felony offense, encouraging businesses like Decatur Utilities, with over 30,000 customers, to check customer's citizenship before service.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: al; alie; aliens; electricity; garbage; gas; heating; illegalaliens; immigration; trashcollection; utlities; water
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The Daily mail has another story about Mexico-Mexican police discovered more than they bargained for when they carried out out a surprise search at a prison in Acapulco.

The spot-check revealed two peacocks, 100 fighting cocks, 19 prostitutes and a whopping two sackfuls of cannabis.

Prisoners had also managed to smuggle in 100 televisions, several bottles of alcohol and knives.Guerrero state spokesman Arturo Martinez said federal and state police searched the prison before dawn yesterday.

He did not give a reason for how the women, animals and drugs got into the institution - but described the peacocks as 'pets'. Cock fighting is a popular pastime in parts of Mexico.

The resort city has been plagued by crime since last year when gangs began fighting for power after the arrest of Edgar Valdez Villarreal, also known as 'La Barbie'.

The operation was called 'Guerrero Seguro'. In July, prisoners in a jail in Mexico's Sonora state were caught running a lottery to raffle off a luxury cell they'd equipped with a fridge, DVD player and air conditioning.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058938/Mexican-prison-police-2-peacocks-19-prostitutes-cannabis-spot-check.html#ixzz1d9PLGmUv

This sounds like something you would expect to see at the movies. How does anybody smuggle in peacocks, 100 TV'S without being noticed ? They sure be living it up in mexico prisons and apparently having some wild parties.

1 posted on 11/08/2011 1:25:55 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

“A major utilities company in Alabama is now prohibiting illegal immigrants from receiving electricity, gas, water or wastewater services to heated reactions on both sides, but they’re just following the law.”

I fail to see the problem and wish my state would follow suit.


2 posted on 11/08/2011 1:28:04 PM PST by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: moonshinner_09
Decatur Utilities isn't preventing it, the state is.

Yeah!

3 posted on 11/08/2011 1:28:50 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: afnamvet; TheOldLady; BuckeyeTexan; Glenn; Cheerio; fuzzthatwuz; Cap Huff; aragorn; HOYA97; ...
GOOD for Alabama! Nuke Mexico!


4 posted on 11/08/2011 1:29:52 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: moonshinner_09
A major utilities company in Alabama is now prohibiting illegal immigrants from receiving electricity, gas, water or wastewater services...

Good!

We could use a few hundred Beltway politicians to to go along with this way of handling criminals.

5 posted on 11/08/2011 1:30:17 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Grunthor

The utility companies better watch out. There have been reports where various segments of Mexicans have NO RESPECT for America and will retaliate ten-fold the damage when treated badly.


6 posted on 11/08/2011 1:30:24 PM PST by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: MestaMachine

well this is going toooo far , just charge them double or triple the going rate LOL


7 posted on 11/08/2011 1:32:12 PM PST by molson209
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To: moonshinner_09

Imagine sneaking into Russia, squatting in an empty house and then demanding Russian Telecom and Russian Energy give you service?

You would get a scenic trip to Siberia.


8 posted on 11/08/2011 1:32:53 PM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: TSgt
One appendage at a time...
9 posted on 11/08/2011 1:35:38 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: moonshinner_09

How do you hide a Peacock? You can hear them call about half a mile away! It sounds like a woman’s frantic scream.


10 posted on 11/08/2011 1:36:54 PM PST by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: MestaMachine

Low 29 Thursday night. But with 50 to a house they may be able to generate enough heat to survive (for a while)...


11 posted on 11/08/2011 1:37:20 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: moonshinner_09
Utility company PROHIBITING illegal immigrants from obtaining electric, gas, water or sewer service in Alabama

Good! Why aren't we doing the same in the other 49 states?

12 posted on 11/08/2011 1:40:32 PM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: moonshinner_09
Good deal, Now that we have whittled down the class of those above the law to just Politicians, we are half way to getting our cities back in order...

Imagine the advantage to you if you could live without paying taxes, fees, getting permits or any of the other myriad ways our goobermint bleeds us! Free fire service, school service, medical, police, roads etc. No fees to work, Social Security, Drivers licenses, insurance, or licensing fees. Your work is crap and the stairs fall down? No tort case, your illegal and can't be sued! And if you get caught in a crime, No Habla English for a free trip home for a fresh identity.

Why, with a little work, you could be a millionaire! America truly is a land of opportunity, if your not an American that is.

13 posted on 11/08/2011 1:40:37 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: moonshinner_09

You make La Raza Rick Perry sad.


14 posted on 11/08/2011 1:41:43 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

Maybe Ricky Boy needs more fiber...


15 posted on 11/08/2011 1:44:38 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: molson209

No.

This is going just right.


16 posted on 11/08/2011 1:44:44 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Grunthor

95 year old lady gets a message to prove her citizenship or she will be cut off.

She fails to respond. Utility cuts her off.

95 year old lady dies.

If the utility is going to do this, then they need to make absolutely sure that they don’t cut anyone off unless they are right.

I also don’t see why it’s the utility’s job to care about citizenship. Why are utility’s enforcing citizenship requirements.


17 posted on 11/08/2011 1:45:25 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: American in Israel

How about we make it so that citizens aren’t burdened with all this ****?

Why should a citizen, and a free man pay a fee to work?


18 posted on 11/08/2011 1:47:01 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

“The Decatur Utilities company is now one of many in the state that follows the newly signed immigration law which prohibits business with illegal immigrants in the state or its subdivisions.”

Agreed that they better be real careful.


19 posted on 11/08/2011 1:49:47 PM PST by 21twelve ("We can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust....and another lost generation.")
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To: moonshinner_09

I like this company


20 posted on 11/08/2011 1:51:25 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Clay Moore

I rented a house in the country years ago and the guy down the road about a half mile had peacocks I had never heard one. First time one cut loose I thought a child was being hurt.


21 posted on 11/08/2011 1:51:53 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: BenKenobi

You’ve got a good point. Unfortunately, the feds aren’t doing it(in fact they are fighting against enforcing the immigration laws)so someone’s got to pick up the slack.


22 posted on 11/08/2011 1:55:00 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Grunthor
God Bless my town, over the last few months the results of the new law have been amazing. We were absolutely inundated with illegals, and know it's down to spotting a hand-full a day.
23 posted on 11/08/2011 1:55:22 PM PST by Arkansas Tider (Army EOD)
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To: BenKenobi

“If the utility is going to do this, then they need to make absolutely sure that they don’t cut anyone off unless they are right.”

Agreed.

“I also don’t see why it’s the utility’s job to care about citizenship.”

Well SOMEBODY has to.


24 posted on 11/08/2011 1:55:28 PM PST by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: 21twelve; BenKenobi

I think this may be an “unintended consequence” of the law. I suppose the law is for companies to run a background check and fill out the proper form for checking citizenship (already the Federal law!!??). And to make it against the law to hire the illegals standing outside of Home Depot to suppliment your roofing crew. (Still against Federal law).

This seems like a lot of hassle and cost to the utility company, and will just get passed on to the customers. And no doubt it will still have problems. Rental units owned by a citizen but rented by illegals, fake documents, etc.

Hmmm - does this mean Home Depot can’t sell a leaf blower to an illegal? It would seem so.


25 posted on 11/08/2011 1:56:44 PM PST by 21twelve ("We can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust....and another lost generation.")
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To: Arkansas Tider

I grew up in a small town that was....”vanilla” in hue. I went into the Army after graduation. Came home after a 4 year hitch and thought I’d been mistakenly dropped off in Mexico City.

I also live close to the border. The CANADIAN Border.


26 posted on 11/08/2011 1:57:22 PM PST by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: BenKenobi
(>Why should a citizen, and a free man pay a fee to work?

Because the IRS has guns? And the State will fine you $10,000 for working the trades without a licence? Because we are not free?

America turned from God, and became the land of the fee and the home of the knave.

27 posted on 11/08/2011 2:00:43 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Imagine that, denying services to criminals. What is the world coming to?


28 posted on 11/08/2011 2:02:48 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: BenKenobi
Because they are abiding by the law. Decatur Utilities is municipally owned, like all utilities in North Alabama, and thus is a subdivision of the State of Alabama.

Section 30(b) An alien not lawfully present in the United States shall not enter into or attempt to enter into a business transaction with the state or a political subdivision of the state and no person shall enter into a business transaction or attempt to enter into a business transaction on behalf of an alien not lawfully present in the United States.
29 posted on 11/08/2011 2:03:11 PM PST by FreetheMarkets
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To: EGPWS

Actually the beltway pols that ignore the rule of law deserve exactly the same treatment.


30 posted on 11/08/2011 2:04:06 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: 21twelve

>>>Hmmm - does this mean Home Depot can’t sell a leaf blower to an illegal? It would seem so.

You raise an interesting question. Does one have to carry a birth certificate or passport with them to confirm citizenship status when they get their haircut or dine at a restaurant?


31 posted on 11/08/2011 2:04:12 PM PST by NC28203
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To: moonshinner_09

So...do they plan on having all their existing customers provide proof that they are here legally and require the same from all new customers? Otherwise how else will they know?


32 posted on 11/08/2011 2:06:03 PM PST by SoJoCo
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To: NC28203

Man - what a hassle. Perhaps they could come up with a tattoo or something?

Reminds me - as a small business owner, I think it is this upcoming year that for any CUMULATIVE $600 or more spent I will need to fill our some tax form to send to the person/company/store and one to the gov’t. This includes all of those bits and pieces that add up at the hardware store, etc. I wonder if hotels count? I suppose so.


33 posted on 11/08/2011 2:12:50 PM PST by 21twelve ("We can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust....and another lost generation.")
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To: Grunthor

You can bet Holder will be on this in a flash - can’t be letting any harm come to those illegal immigrants on Obama’s watch!


34 posted on 11/08/2011 2:13:39 PM PST by SusaninOhio
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To: FreetheMarkets

So there are no private run/owned utility companies? That’s not a good thing for Alabama.

They’d better get it right. Any screwups are going to kill that law.


35 posted on 11/08/2011 2:14:35 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: SoJoCo

That apparently seems to be the plan. “Papers please” to keep your lights on.

Can’t see any possibility for abuse there.


36 posted on 11/08/2011 2:15:56 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: American in Israel

“Because we are not free?”

Exactly so. We are not free men, but slaves.


37 posted on 11/08/2011 2:19:00 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: 21twelve
Just to clear things up as I understand them. The only affect the Beason-Hammond Act has on private business is that they must use e-verify on all their employees. If that business fails to do so, the enforcement mechanism is the suspension/revocation of the business license. Any private business may conduct everyday transactions with an illegal just like a citizen. The difference is that Decatur Utilities is owned by the City of Decatur, a political subdivision of the State of Alabama. Now I may be missing something or misinformed, but I think that is right.

Congress repealed the 1099 requirement that was in Obamacare; I think it was in the compromise legislation that extended the Bush tax cuts for two more years, happened at the end of last year.
38 posted on 11/08/2011 2:20:31 PM PST by FreetheMarkets
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To: BenKenobi

There are down in Central and Lower Alabama, Southern Company is the main one. We have municipally owned utilities up here because we can buy cheap (subsidized somewhat) power from TVA.


39 posted on 11/08/2011 2:22:26 PM PST by FreetheMarkets
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To: Grunthor

Constitutionally, it’s the job of the Federal government. Obama needs to do his job rather than pawning it off on everybody else.


40 posted on 11/08/2011 2:24:53 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: FreetheMarkets

“The only affect the Beason-Hammond Act has on private business is that they must use e-verify on all their employees.”

I’m not quite sure how that is constitutional either. Businesses have to report all new hires to the government? Wow. That’s a big step in the wrong direction...


41 posted on 11/08/2011 2:27:44 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: FreetheMarkets

So we have FDR to thank for that situation. *sigh*

I hope this works out for you folks, but I fear the worst. Giving the government control over all aspects of your life strikes me as a bad idea.

I grew up on a farm. We had a backup generator, wood stoves, and a well. Came in handy in the winter when the power would go out and we were able to get along ok. I guess that sort of thing is frowned upon in America today.


42 posted on 11/08/2011 2:30:12 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi
Where is there a problem in your scenario?

You didn't show that the law causes any problem in any way.

If the woman or her family wanted her to have power they could either have her in her own country or they could go through the proper channels to bring her in legally. The total weight of all consequences for coming here falls on the woman.

It isn't the utilities' job to worry about the consequences a foreigner may bring on themselves by illegal entry.

43 posted on 11/08/2011 2:38:38 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: BenKenobi
I think I can take a stab at that. Like a driver's license, a business license is a privilege not a right, so constitutionally it may be ok (con law is not my forte). It certainly does drive up transactions costs for the business but the illegal situation did call for some form of action, and our legislature acted. And its all employees not just new hires.

I don't have any employees at my office (we want a secretary, but this economy sucks for schysters too) so I have no frame of reference on actual compliance with that provision. My understanding is that accountants are the folks who are handling this for businesses.
44 posted on 11/08/2011 2:40:21 PM PST by FreetheMarkets
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To: BenKenobi

“95 year old lady gets a message to prove her citizenship or she will be cut off.”

I don’t think that the 95 year old lady is the problem! If she’s actually 95, she’s more than likely a citizen or a green card holder from the Reagan Amnesty. So your argument is fallacious! Also, she probably doesn’t live alone. Nice Try!


45 posted on 11/08/2011 2:45:10 PM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: FreetheMarkets

I have no problems with it as a voluntary tool. But private business is just that. If american businesses are forced to report all new hires to the federal government, how far are we from the point where they can step in and say no?

Can they strip your business license for hiring someone who is disliked by the administration?

Also, as for tackling the illegal immigrant problem, it reduces citizenship to a piece of paper. A paper which can be forged. I’ve dealt with E-Verify before, and one of the things it explicitly says is that it cannot catch identity theft. If someone were to steal your documentation, the system will not catch it.

I am not saying that they mean poorly, I just don’t agree with the way of solving the problem. I believe that the solution is worse than the disease.


46 posted on 11/08/2011 2:46:52 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: moonshinner_09

“What a heartless company.” - Rick Perry


47 posted on 11/08/2011 2:49:59 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: vette6387

How does the utility know that she is a 95 year old lady when they send the notice to customer 15029?

I am not saying that the 95 year old lady is the problem, I am saying that it is an unintended consequence of the law.


48 posted on 11/08/2011 2:50:41 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: MrEdd

The problem is that the 95 year old citizen gets cut off and dies as a result of the utility not doing due diligence.

“If the woman or her family wanted her to have power they could either have her in her own country.”

You’re missing the point. I’m talking about a citizen who gets cut off for failing to provide the documentation, either through not seeing the notice, or understanding the notice. This already happens every year during cold snaps and heat waves, the utility company cuts an elderly person off without investigating as to the actual cause for non-payment.

It’s happened before and unless they are very careful, this will happen again. The result of which will be a lawsuit.


49 posted on 11/08/2011 2:56:16 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: FreetheMarkets

No school enrollment.

No job.

No utilities.

No driver’s license or state ID.

No medical care or emergency room access. (Just enough to get them back across the border).

No social services.

No voting.

No enrollment in colleges or universities. Don’t even think about grants or in-state-tuition.


50 posted on 11/08/2011 2:56:37 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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