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Questions on Sandusky Are Wrapped in a 2005 Mystery {Paterno]
NY Times ^ | 11/08/11 | Ken Belson

Posted on 11/08/2011 6:18:10 PM PST by BunnySlippers

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1 posted on 11/08/2011 6:18:12 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

The plot thickens. Where was Sandusky? Got an alibi for that period and location?


2 posted on 11/08/2011 6:25:55 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: BunnySlippers

Good grief. What next?


3 posted on 11/08/2011 6:27:46 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Can anyone tell me how this all got started? Did one of the victims come forward and that’s what got the guy arrested on Saturday? Everything I have read so far starts with him being arrested, I can’t find out how it came to be.


4 posted on 11/08/2011 6:32:20 PM PST by texaschick
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To: BunnySlippers

Yikes. This scandal is getting worse by the day.


5 posted on 11/08/2011 6:33:05 PM PST by Faith
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To: BunnySlippers

Woah. Interesting.


6 posted on 11/08/2011 6:33:21 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Cicero

It’s funny as I remember the case of this missing DA. And that he had never been found.

But it never occurred to me to connect Penn State and Sandusky to his disappearance.


7 posted on 11/08/2011 6:34:13 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Faith

Gricar, the missing DA

8 posted on 11/08/2011 6:36:28 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Few people might have been aware that the DA was working on this case at the time.


9 posted on 11/08/2011 6:36:32 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: BunnySlippers

Any ties to the mob/union with this do you think? Any gambling ring? It IS ‘PA’, after all.


10 posted on 11/08/2011 6:37:09 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: texaschick

There were incidents off and on for 15 years. Everyone passed the buck.

An investigation began in ernest 3 years ago and culminated with Sandusky’s arrest last weekend.

The victims have doubled in 2 days.


11 posted on 11/08/2011 6:38:02 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Is PA big union?


12 posted on 11/08/2011 6:38:41 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Penn? Yes, big union state. That’s what I’m wondering.


13 posted on 11/08/2011 6:42:03 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: texaschick

Sandusky was working at a high school doing stuff with the kids. One kid complained to his mom (this was in 2009) about inappropriate advances. Mom went to the school, the school went to the authorities, and they began investigating.

After 1 - 2 years, the investigation progressed enough to bring him up on charges via grand jury.

The snowball started rolling down hill from there.

I think I got it right.......


14 posted on 11/08/2011 6:43:04 PM PST by onona (FR is continuing education)
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To: BunnySlippers

Joe PA needs to just retire now. This isn’t going away and there is no way of saving the football program(which is their biggest worry). They have much egg on their face. Everyone knew and no one called police.Should be more than Sandusky going to prison for life


15 posted on 11/08/2011 6:44:01 PM PST by Figment
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To: BunnySlippers

Thanks. Now I have a better understanding.

Sure is shameful.


16 posted on 11/08/2011 6:47:03 PM PST by texaschick
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

“Any ties to the mob/union with this do you think? Any gambling ring? It IS ‘PA’, after all”

Careful. You can get yourself a suspension from FR for referencing ethnic stereotypes


17 posted on 11/08/2011 6:47:18 PM PST by Figment
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To: BunnySlippers

Questions, questions, questions, flooding into the mind of the concerned young person today.


18 posted on 11/08/2011 6:48:21 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: onona

Thank you. You summed it up well for this outsider.


19 posted on 11/08/2011 6:50:15 PM PST by texaschick
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To: Figment

What?


20 posted on 11/08/2011 6:57:51 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Figment

Everyone knew and no one called police.Should be more than Sandusky going to prison for life


If no one called police, then why does the article say the DA chose not to prosecute in 1998?

Can’t we assume that someone reported it to the police at that time?

And why does Paterno have to resign because the DA refused to prosecute?


21 posted on 11/08/2011 7:09:18 PM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: BunnySlippers

What a plot for CSI !!!!


22 posted on 11/08/2011 7:22:50 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: onona
One kid complained to his mom (this was in 2009) about inappropriate advances.

You mean like being sodomized in the Penn State shower room by the former defensive coordinator?

Is that the type of "inappropriate advance" you mean?

23 posted on 11/08/2011 7:30:13 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I would think the gay mafia would be the more obvious culprit?
Unless Sandusky was involved in betting on games or something as well? They recovered the laptop in the river but couldn’t recover any of the data was the last I heard about it.


24 posted on 11/08/2011 7:35:28 PM PST by scrabblehack
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25 posted on 11/08/2011 7:41:43 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: chaosagent

Support him and your program to the end. This is the end. This will be the worst thing to happen to a football program since SMU got the death penalty.They’re all in on it and continued to allow it. No one has a defense


26 posted on 11/08/2011 7:55:54 PM PST by Figment
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Mob, union, PAterno. Ethnic references on this board can get you suspended from FR. I do suppose it depends on which ethnicities you refer to though


27 posted on 11/08/2011 8:03:21 PM PST by Figment
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To: Flycatcher

Please explain your comment.

My response to Tex was to roughly explain the timeline of the publicity of the charges (as I understand it).

Was this not clear to you ?


28 posted on 11/08/2011 8:04:26 PM PST by onona (FR is continuing education)
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To: scrabblehack; RushIsMyTeddyBear

I think that the higher-level Penn State Football supporters would rank right up there with the mob when it came to defending anything threatening their “famiy”.


29 posted on 11/08/2011 8:05:58 PM PST by 21twelve ("We can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust....and another lost generation.")
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To: BunnySlippers
What do you call an older woman who likes younger boys? A Cougar.

What do you call an older man who likes younger boys? A Nittany Lion.


30 posted on 11/08/2011 8:08:40 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: chaosagent

If no one called police, then why does the article say the DA chose not to prosecute in 1998?

Would that be the same DA that disappeared and seems to have faked a suicide? Running from the mob maybe?


31 posted on 11/08/2011 8:10:11 PM PST by Figment
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To: BunnySlippers

What does this have to do with Paterno, who is not mentioned in the story?


32 posted on 11/08/2011 8:12:21 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: onona
Please explain your comment.

OK.

1) Your "timeline" does not correspond with the facts.

2) Joe Paterno enabled a serial homosexual child-rapist to continue to ply his "trade" at Pedo State for a decade and a half.

At least.

Will that do?

33 posted on 11/08/2011 8:23:40 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Flycatcher
You mean like being sodomized in the Penn State shower room by the former defensive coordinator? Is that the type of "inappropriate advance" you mean?

No. The subject of the inappropriate advances, whose mother sparked the investigation was a different child.

Nobody has yet identified the child Sandusky was seen sodomizing in the Penn State shower.

34 posted on 11/08/2011 8:30:23 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
Yes. I know.

I was just responding (too succinctly, obviously) to a stupid post that suggested the "timeline" began in 2009.

But I'm glad you brought up the child who was sodomized by Sandusky in 2002. I've been watching ESPN non-stop all day, and I'm mortified by the Paterno defenders on that channel. Yes, there are a few commentators who can rightly identify with the victims, but most seem not even to care one iota about the welfare of that child.

Absolutely disgusting.

As I said on another thread, Joe Paterno and all those involved at Pedo State can rot in hell for allowing this heinousness to continue for so long!

35 posted on 11/08/2011 8:37:20 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Flycatcher
Worse than even Paterno is the grown man, ex-Div-I football player, who ran away when he saw the kid being raped.

Then he called his father and his father told him he should probably find a new place to work.

My father would have personally kicked my ass for leaving that boy in there.

I wonder if we'll ever know what happened to the kid. Sandusky should have left that shower in a body bag.

36 posted on 11/08/2011 8:44:38 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: scrabblehack
I would think the gay mafia would be the more obvious culprit?
Unless Sandusky was involved in betting on games or something as well? They recovered the laptop in the river but couldn’t recover any of the data was the last I heard about it.

The pedophilia network was my first thought when the DA angle was brought up in other posts yesterday. Sandusky was organized and likely was cultivating kids to rape well before he formed the "Second Mile" organization in 1977. These sick people were linked in well before the internet. They could have everything to lose when one of their friends are caught.

37 posted on 11/08/2011 8:45:14 PM PST by Ghengis
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To: dead

My dad would have gone to Paterno’s house after kicking my ass.


38 posted on 11/08/2011 8:46:32 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: dead

This cover-up is unbelievable. It rocks the entire school. It is not going to end well at all. These children own the endowment after being subjected to this abuse.


39 posted on 11/08/2011 8:51:23 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: dead
I wonder if we'll ever know what happened to the kid. Sandusky should have left that shower in a body bag.

Amen!!

I'm the grandfather of a young boy that age.

No joke: I would have killed Sandusky right then and there.

And no jury would convict me.

40 posted on 11/08/2011 8:59:40 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Flycatcher

I believe you and the other poster are having a misunderstanding, and you are both on the same side. The other poster was just pointing out the incident that got the current investigation started. The 1998 incident, also a victim’s mothers complaint, was the investigation led by currently missing DA Gricar. In that investigation, the police had Sandusky on tape admitting to the mother his crime. DA Gricar did not prosecute, even thou the evidence seemed solid. We will never know why for sure, we can speculate, since Gricar has disappeared from the Earth, and according to his fellow prosecutors he handled this case close to the vest. They have no idea either. As for Paterno, he is a liar and knew about all these investigations. If one of his players spit on the sidewalk, he would know from the local police. That is the way it is done in these college towns. His true character has been exposed. As of today he is still more concerned that he is coaching a football game on Saturday than with what happened to 20 and climbing victims who’s lives have been ruined for ever.


41 posted on 11/08/2011 9:26:44 PM PST by gusty
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To: Flycatcher

On WFAN today, host Mike Francesa stated that if this happened to Bear Bryant,Bryant would have broke Sandusky’s neck with his own hands.


42 posted on 11/08/2011 9:29:19 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty; onona
Good post.

Diplomatic too.

I commend you.

And I apologize to you, onona, for not picking up that we're on the same page.

Off to bed now. 'Night!

43 posted on 11/08/2011 9:36:40 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: dead

As for the ex-QB, this guy has no soul. He witnesses the despicable act, makes eye contact with the perp and victim, and then walks away. For all he knew, Sandusky murdered and disposed of the kid an hour later. Then for the next nine years has frequent contact on campus and at practice with the predator like nothing happened. After all this, Sandusky must have believed he could have buggered a nine year old on the fifty yard line and no one would do anything about it.


44 posted on 11/08/2011 9:41:00 PM PST by gusty
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To: BunnySlippers
If I had to guess, I'd say that this homo-predator was being protected by local law enforcement, media, and/or politicians. This DA's disappearance may have nothing whatever to do with this case. However, based on some similar cases involving homo-predators and whistle-blowers in the Catholic Church, offing those who are a threat to them is not unheard of.

I am willing to bet that Sandusky was part of a homo-predator ring in State College. I hope the state investigates the crap out of this case.
45 posted on 11/08/2011 9:46:35 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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You mention homo-predator ring, you might be on to something. Now I might be completely wrong in what I am going to say, and have debated with myself if I should pass the information to the authorities. So here is what I know. I played four years of baseball at another college in Pennsylvania in the early 80’s. My coach my Junior and Senior years was a real weird guy. His best friend on campus was an out of the closet track coach. He would select one guy on the team to get close with, invite him over for dinner that kind of stuff. My brother played there after me, and the coach was doing the same. The players, amongst themselves, would joke that he was having his way with his pet players. We had no evidence besides appearances of course. Now here is the kicker, in the time period late 90’s early 00’s, he was head baseball coach at you guessed it, Penn State. Am I seeing something here or is it just unjust speculation. I would be interested in others opinions . Should I just keep this under my hat, or should I tell the authorities. Unlike the ex-QB I witnessed nothing or heard anything solid from anyone else, but again the guy was weird.
46 posted on 11/08/2011 10:04:30 PM PST by gusty
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To: BunnySlippers

It appears that the Catholic Church has become Satan’s playground and far too many are far too willing to play ball!

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


47 posted on 11/08/2011 10:08:42 PM PST by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: Figment

Maybe, but the DA declined to prosecute in 1998, and then didn’t disappear until 2005.

It took them seven years to bump him off?


48 posted on 11/08/2011 10:16:34 PM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: TheDailyChange
It appears that the Catholic Church has become Satan’s playground and far too many are far too willing to play ball!

Pray tell, what does the Catholic Church have to do with this particular story?

If you read my post above, you'd know that the only way the Catholic Church is linked to this story is that based on our continual weeding out of homosexual predators from the Church, we have learned a lot (too much, frankly) about how they operate.

The difference between the Catholic Church and most other large organizations right now is that we have at least taken strong action against the infiltration of homo-predators and gone a long way toward eliminating them all together. If you don't think this predator/protection racket goes on at institutions you're involved with--particularly if there are homosexuals working there--you'll probably be in for a big shock down the road.
49 posted on 11/08/2011 10:20:08 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: gusty

Your post is rather creepy. If I found the guy to which you refer, then he was an assistant baseball coach at a boarding school. After being a head coach for a major university. Very disturbing.


50 posted on 11/08/2011 10:29:23 PM PST by petitfour
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