Skip to comments.Miss. defeats life at conception ballot initiative
Posted on 11/08/2011 7:53:00 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
JACKSON, Miss. (AP) -- Mississippi voters shot down a referendum Tuesday that would have effectively banned abortions in the state, rejecting an initiative that said life begins at conception.
The so-called personhood initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of voters. If it had passed, it was virtually assured of drawing legal challenges because it conflicts with the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that established a legal right to abortion.
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A unique person is created at conception. However, most people probably aren’t willing to give a single cell zygote the same level of protection as a baby in the 2nd or 3rd trimester. That just the way it is, whether or not we agree with it.
I agree. This country is finished.
I think you are being obtuse on purpose. Do you really think any of those things would happen? In real life?
You pro-aborts are sounding very irrational on this.
You're right - it's actually ALMOST as simple as this, which, as we know, turned out to have very few complicated implications:
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The fact that even this got 40% of the votes in Mississippi means there is some hope for MS. Even as a failed trial balloon it tells a lot.
Get some sensible triage provisions in there and push the “life” criterion to the point that a heart begins to beat, and you will easily carry Mississippi.
If you call "thinking" being irrational.
Burning building - you can carry out an unconscious 10 year old girl, or a cooler full of 10,000 frozen embryos, but not both. Which do you pick?
Most of this kind of quibble has to do with triage situations, which are well understood.
The wording is very general and could be interpreted in many ways. Point is, as long as there’s a fear of these things happening, they have to be explained in order to sell this.
I'm just curious, do you know any occasions where government has been granted a new power or area of purview, where it didn't quickly exploit that power to the most massive level of intrusiveness possible?
Sometimes this has to wait for a change of regime. MS is actually pretty Ratly.
It truly is a sad day for the unborn in this country. The personhood movement should never give up, but they have a long way to go if they can’t get it to pass in Mississippi. The libs were out with their spin machine saying that it would ban birth control, IVF, allow women whose lives were threatened to die, and probe into miscarriages. I don’t believe it. Even Fox was in on the spin on this one. The culture of death marches on.
Very well said and precisely the reason that I voted AGAINST it. When crafting ballot initiatives in the future, Mississippi should realize (to their surprise) that many Mississippians are, after all, capable of analytical thinking. I am decidedly anti-abortion but have no wish to unnecessarily endanger the life of an expectant mother because of legislation crafted by people incapable of logical and rational thought. Or, could it be that the wording used was purposeful, that purpose being to fail the bill?? I have no answer for that, of course, but time may eventually reveal the truth.
And yet, God's Word has not changed since this morning in its imperative requirement that the lives of all innocent persons be equally protected.
The Natural Law premises of the American republic have not changed since this morning, the assertion of the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with the unalienable right to life, and that the first purpose of government is to protect that right.
The stated purposes of the U.S. Constitution, which include the establishment of Justice and the securing of the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity, have not changed since this morning.
Just like this morning, the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments still imperatively demand that no person shall be deprived of life without a fair trial on a capital offense.
Just as it has since it was ratified, the Fourteenth Amendment still requires every State in the Union to equally protect the life of every innocent person within their jurisdiction.
And the Mississippi Constitution still demands all of the above as well.
Mississippians, and all Americans, need to wake up to the fact that our lack is not a lack of protection for the people's unalienable rights in our supreme laws, it is a lack of officers in government who will do the first things required of them by their sacred oath of office.
I think that's stretching things. A one-celled zygote is a unique individual, the start of a new life, but most people probably wouldn't consider it the same as a baby. What saddens me about this loss is that pro-life forces overreached. I know a lot of people consider it an all or nothing issue. However, they could have radically restricted abortion if only they wouldn't have reached so far. Most people are simply not willing to declare use of the pill to be the moral equivalent of murder, even though the pill apparently causes some fertilized eggs to be rejected.
You’re part of the problem.
Brainwashed by the blood money of Planned Parenthood.
There you go again.
“Thinking” doesn’t mean coming up with the most implausible and extreme scenarios to justify your position.
You should just come out and say it. You are in favor of any mother (assuming they aren’t being pressured by a man or “doctor” at the clinic) being able to kill her “unborn” (which Peter Singer and your other friends would assail as a horrible limitation itself, they want to be able to abort AFTER birth too) baby at any time for any reason.
Hardly; the life of the mother stuff is trivial compared to the many other obvious implications of defining a fertilized egg as a person in every single law in Mississippi.
Cmon, you've seen all the posts here where use of the birth control pill is considered an abortion; if you accept that it's an obvious implication that Mississippi has to ban the Pill.
And then, of course, divert massive police resources to preventing the Pill from coming over the border from Louisiana, Alabama, Arkansas, and Tennessee.
The first person in jail for Pill-smuggling would be a hoot, especially the wife beater or child molester that had to be released to make room for them.
Though not as fun as the first women busted for posession.
Lot’s of, um, minorities in Miss that, hopefully, use the abortion services.
I know, I know. Going to get banned.
Every single human being on the face of the planet was once at that stage. And your rights are not superior to any human being who is currently at that stage.
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