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The World is Misreading Obama on Iran (Obama Might Nuke Iran)
Foreign Policy ^ | Friday, November 4, 2011 | David Rothkopf

Posted on 11/08/2011 9:40:32 PM PST by nickcarraway

The government of Iran, much like many across the Middle East, believes that the Obama administration is so consumed with a desire to undo the wrongs of the Bush era and get out from under the costs of two difficult, hard-to-justify wars in the region that it would never intervene against them militarily. Iranian leaders seem to believe that the United States would not risk another war in the region just to stop their development of nuclear weapons.

The government of Israel, also worried that its number one ally has lost its appetite for complex entanglements in the region, seems to think that by playing the Iran card it can goad the U.S. into action that will restore the bonds between the two nations. Israeli leaders believe that they can translate their perception of Iran as an existential threat against them and a brazen, rising regional hegemon into a new renewed U.S. commitment to the region and closer ties with Israel.

Both are wrong.

According to the U.K. newspaper the Guardian, which has an extraordinary package of stories on the growing Iran risk and the escalation of that risk associated with an upcoming International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report that will reveal game-changing progress by Iran in its efforts to gain nuclear weapons capabilities, even America's closest allies in Britain believe "President Obama has a big decision to make in the coming months because he won't want to do anything just before an election." Wrong.

(Excerpt) Read more at rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com ...


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1 posted on 11/08/2011 9:40:35 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

If only Nixon could go to China, only Obama could nuke Iran. You sort of need the Nobel Peace prize to have enough gravitas to perform such an act.


2 posted on 11/08/2011 9:42:55 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: nickcarraway
who writes this crap? I don't recall when I've seen any foreign policy analysis so wrong on so many levels. This is breathtakingly wrong.

Now, having said that... I agree that only Obama COULD nuke Iran and get away with it politically. But it ain't going to happen and this analysis is simply full of crap on practically every paragraph.

3 posted on 11/08/2011 9:47:04 PM PST by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: nickcarraway
Obama Might Nuke Iran

BS. To nuke anyone you must have cojones, and our president has proven ... he has none. Moochell mayhap, but she is not president.

4 posted on 11/08/2011 9:48:36 PM PST by doc1019 (If Romney is our choice, I refuse to vote.)
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To: nickcarraway

Obozo will likely resort to some kind of “Wag the Dog”.

Iran? I doubt it. He would never nuke his muzzie brothers. Especially the basis for the califit.


5 posted on 11/08/2011 9:51:45 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: nickcarraway

Zero knows only one play on the Iranian situation. It is the punt.

There will be no military action to stop Iran from gaining nuclear weapons, there will be talk, talk, and weak, useless sanctions at the most.

Our president is a coward AND he, like all Democrats, has no interest in actually doing anything to forward American interests.


6 posted on 11/08/2011 9:52:09 PM PST by A message (The concern trolls are very,very concerned.)
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To: nickcarraway

Obama bowing before the king of Saud would indicate to me, if he’s Muslim, he’s Sunni.

So yeah, it would be no problem for him turning Iran into a sea of glass.


7 posted on 11/08/2011 9:55:06 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: nickcarraway

Right, and Curtis LeMay was a Quaker pacifist.


8 posted on 11/08/2011 9:58:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: nickcarraway
Somehow, I'm unimpressed with Mr. Rothkopf's opinion.

For example...

From a domestic political perspective, right now Obama's strong suit is his national security performance.

Who but a whacked-off academic believes that? Or this...

That said, it would be a mistake to think this President would make such a cynical analysis. Should he act on an issue like this, he will do so without making any political calculus.

This President is all about making self-serving cynical political analyses.

Iran and their impending nuclear capability are a vital issue. It deserves better than this nattering drivel.

9 posted on 11/08/2011 10:01:34 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Jonty30

I agree. Obama is unbalanced, I can see him nuking Iran to hold onto the presidency. He got away with Libya. That didn’t do much for him in the polls. What effect does Libya have on us? Iran is a different story.

If we start seeing the media talking about the dangers of a nuclear Iran, I’d take that as a sign. Especially if Hillary looks like she’s going to replace him as the candidate for 2012.


10 posted on 11/08/2011 10:06:17 PM PST by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: nickcarraway

Never happen. Not from the administration that turned the War on Terror into an “overseas contingency operation” and redefined terror attacks as “man-caused disasters”.


11 posted on 11/08/2011 10:33:24 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: nickcarraway
Thanks. On an evening of gloomy political news that article was laugh-out-loud funny. When did the AZ Conservative get a new nom de plume?
12 posted on 11/08/2011 10:43:54 PM PST by FredZarguna (I think this friendly approach has been what 0's already been trying for nearly three years...)
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To: Jonty30

Then after that, we elect a Shiite president :-)


13 posted on 11/08/2011 11:12:03 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

lol


14 posted on 11/08/2011 11:17:55 PM PST by odds
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To: nickcarraway

I´d like to see the Kenyan heap nuclear destruction on Iran. It would be very educational, I´m sure.


15 posted on 11/08/2011 11:35:23 PM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Do you know which Osama belonged to?


16 posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:03 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: onedoug

Just pay attention to your local Emergency Alerts. ;o)

17 posted on 11/08/2011 11:41:58 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: nickcarraway

Nick, where in this article does it suggest that 0bama might nuke Iran? I read the whole thing and saw nothing even hinting at that.

The headline is misleading.

Quite frankly, it has always been my contention that the only way to halt Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons, let alone regional hegemony, is to drop one or more nukes on them. Iran is in the same grip of fanatical megalomania as were the Japanese prior to the end of World War II and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It took the atomic bombs to literally produce some old school ‘shock and awe’ to smack the Japanese out of their militarist ways.

Iran is in fact, even more fanatical in that their political leadership is seized by Islamic fantasies about the ‘Mahdi’ climbing out of whatever well he’s been hiding in, to return (with Jesus alongside him no less) to wipe out ‘Allah’s enemies, destroy Israel, whatever bullshit it is they have embraced, and being that the entire country is Islamic, even the adherents of that death cult of a ‘religion’ are easily swayed by the more radical practitioners of those beliefs.

10 megatons on Tehran, 5 on Tabriz (the Assahollah Khomeini’s hometown) and 5 on Qom. THAT is the nuclear trifecta that will permanently remove those Persian pricks as any significant force on the world stage.

Unfortunately, 0bama would never take such action. In my opinion, he is secretly hoping Iran WILL drop a nuke on Israel, and considering how recent revelations (due to an open microphone with that joker Sarkozy) have proven that 0bama effectively despises Bibi Netanyahu, the only thing we will see as the mushroom cloud appears over Tel Aviv is a semi-solemn 0bama before the cameras, scripted by the TOTUS as always, ‘condemning’ the Iranian action and pledging to press for further ‘sanctions’ at the U.N. (’Useless Nations’).


18 posted on 11/09/2011 12:02:59 AM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain, a God-fearing, Jesus-loving, Constitution-honoring PATRIOT.)
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To: mkjessup

The “open mic” gaffe was done on purpose. Sarkosky and Obama want to distance themselves from the upcoming Israeli attack, even though they have both assisted in the preparation.

Obama is glad to have Israel take this responsibility off his hands.


19 posted on 11/09/2011 12:08:14 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (.....The days are long but the years are short.....)
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To: doc1019

The real question might be, would he nuke Iran if he thought it would get him enough support to win the 2012 election?


20 posted on 11/09/2011 12:47:31 AM PST by The Bard (http://www.myfbc.com)
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To: SaxxonWoods
The “open mic” gaffe was done on purpose. Sarkozy and Obama want to distance themselves from the upcoming Israeli attack, even though they have both assisted in the preparation.
Obama is glad to have Israel take this responsibility off his hands.


I have my doubts about that, but as always: 'time will tell'.

An interesting scenario you've painted however.
21 posted on 11/09/2011 1:53:48 AM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain, a God-fearing, Jesus-loving, Constitution-honoring PATRIOT.)
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To: Jonty30; meatloaf

I would think he wants Iran to achieve a bomb to pressure Israel. But there is no telling with this guy.


22 posted on 11/09/2011 2:59:59 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: nickcarraway

Hussein will only attack Iran for votes. It will be an election year move. He embraces those who hate Israel, so it’ll be a tough call for the regime.


23 posted on 11/09/2011 3:05:35 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: FredZarguna

You’ve totally misread Obama. He was anti-war when Bush was ib charge, When Obama’s in charge, “war is good.”


24 posted on 11/09/2011 3:27:36 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He would nuke Arizona before he would nuke Iran.


25 posted on 11/09/2011 3:29:37 AM PST by ImNotLying (Politicians and diapers should be changed often and for the same reason!)
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To: Lloyd227
Could be misleading propaganda just out there to buy time and stall the opposition into confusion. When Israel gets nuked all bets are off on who goes next. The moslem dreams of neutralizing the enemy(US), destroying israel and being the last man standing are within reach. They own the executive branch of the US government.

Too bad so few grasp the picture.

26 posted on 11/09/2011 3:39:46 AM PST by x_plus_one (Obama: Brainwashing the masses to believe that racism is a greater danger than radical Islam)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks nickcarraway.


27 posted on 11/09/2011 3:45:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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28 posted on 11/09/2011 5:37:28 AM PST by SJackson (Haven't changed the environment, just take a bath. Eat a piece of chocolate. You need one. Michelle)
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To: nickcarraway
But in the end, as dangerous as an attack might be militarily and politically, if the President believes there is no other alternative to stopping Iran from gaining the ability to produce highly enriched uranium and thus manufacture nuclear weapons, he will seriously consider military action and it is hardly a certainty he won't take it. From a domestic political perspective, right now Obama's strong suit is his national security performance. For the first time in years, he has taken the issue away from the Republicans. Right now they simply cannot attack him as being weak or assert they understand defense better. That is why they are so silent on the issue.
Sure we can. We pursued an unauthorized, illegal war to overthrow Khaddafy, following the mistake of some of our NATO allies. We helped overthrow a bad regime, but one that was helping us fight Islamic terrorism and which had ended its active WMD programs. In fact some of the proponents of the war, had wanted to send Libya military aid last year. Instead of analyzing what was going on on the ground and who the players are, we followed the reckless policy of France and helped groups allied to Al Qaeda. Today, Al Qaeda's flag flies over parts of Libya. That is aiding an abetting the enemy time of war. Incompetence and a failure to lead but to rather follow the lunacy of some allies is no excuse. It is a reason to lose an election.

PS. What is with all of these pieces taht don't even contemplate the idea that Iran could be a threat to us with nukes?

29 posted on 11/09/2011 6:14:25 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: coloradan

If he nukes Iran, he deserves another peace prize.

Never happen.


30 posted on 11/09/2011 6:56:44 AM PST by ZULU (Anybody but Romney)
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To: coloradan; Jonty30
Why would we nuke Iran? We have bunker busters. And we have ICBMs that can act as launch vehicles not just for nukes but for solid depleted uranium warhead as a kinetic energy weapon A 1000KG warhead lands with force close to .12 Kilotons, focused on a small area (.5 meters). A few of those would destroy or crack open the shell of any facility. This isn't an air bursting nuke, but something closer to GPS guided meteors. And then follow with B-1b or B-2 bombers with bunker busters and then perhaps something fun like a themobaric warhead.
31 posted on 11/09/2011 6:58:10 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

I like things that go BOOOOOOOOM, silence, BOOOOOOM!

That’s the only reason I need.


32 posted on 11/09/2011 7:00:35 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: nickcarraway
It would certainly make for a spectacular October Surprise.
33 posted on 11/09/2011 7:10:34 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: nickcarraway

Obama nuking Iran when he has a ROE stating Americans cannot fart near a muslim, hahahahahahahahahahahaa, oh great satire!


34 posted on 11/09/2011 8:41:12 AM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, "...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: doc1019; All

“BS. To nuke anyone you must have cojones, and our president has proven ..he has none.”

That’s right. And villains like Ahmedinejad share BHO’s idealogy of hate for his two targets - Israel and America.

And while I’m ranting, it just galls me that BHO gets all this credit for eliminating top Al Queda guys, and that he’ll probably run on that next year. A) he’s the recipient of much good groundwork laid by GWB et al, and B) he always takes the coward’s way out by using nothing but drones, killing but never capturing. He destroys MUCH valuable intel that could be gleaned for our national security, simply because he (and Holder) are political cowards on interrogation and Gitmo.

FUBO.


35 posted on 11/09/2011 8:51:13 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: okie01

The night BHO got elected, I despaired for our country’s safety - in all aspects.


36 posted on 11/09/2011 8:55:39 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: meatloaf

“He got away with Libya. That didn’t do much for him in the polls. What effect does Libya have on us? Iran is a different story.”

If people would dare to think the (previously) unthinkable, his “foreign policy” would be easily predictable. He’s driven to get rid of leaders like Gaddafi and Mubarak because they’ve left Israel alone, then replace them with radical Muslim Brotherhood types whose primary goal is to eradicate Israel.

He’ll continue with this in all applicable ME countries, protecting tyrants, like Ahmedinejad, who openly threaten the destruction of Israel - and us.


37 posted on 11/09/2011 9:07:54 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: llandres

That’s a good point. That means Obama is looking at keeping the presidency (getting reelected) vs. letting Iran proceed.

I guess we’ll find out if he really is a Muslim at heart.


38 posted on 11/09/2011 9:13:31 AM PST by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: Jonty30

“Do you know which Osama belonged to?”

Shi’ite, like the Ayatollas and Ahmedinejad.


39 posted on 11/09/2011 9:19:09 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: SaxxonWoods
The “open mic” gaffe was done on purpose. Sarkosky and Obama want to distance themselves from the upcoming Israeli attack, even though they have both assisted in the preparation.

Interesting take.

40 posted on 11/09/2011 9:25:00 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: mkjessup

“10 megatons on Tehran, 5 on Tabriz (the Assahollah Khomeini’s hometown) and 5 on Qom.”

Don’t forget Esfahan. Back in the late 70’s when I travelled there and was going to take a two-year contract (under the Shah), that city was their equivalent of Chicago, to Tehran “New York”.


41 posted on 11/09/2011 9:29:08 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: SaxxonWoods

“Sarkosky and Obama want to distance themselves from the upcoming Israeli attack, even though they have both assisted in the preparation.”

Hmmm...I could half believe that, in the case of Sarkozy - his country (like a growing number of others in Europe) is experiencing increasing backlash against the Islamization currently overtaking it.


42 posted on 11/09/2011 9:43:14 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: meatloaf

“I guess we’ll find out if he really is a Muslim at heart.”

You haven’t already seen enough to convince you by now? He’s not only a Muslim at heart, I firmly believe he’s a Muslim in fact.


43 posted on 11/09/2011 10:00:16 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: llandres
“10 megatons on Tehran, 5 on Tabriz (the Assahollah Khomeini’s hometown) and 5 on Qom.”
Don’t forget Esfahan. Back in the late 70’s when I traveled there and was going to take a two-year contract (under the Shah), that city was their equivalent of Chicago, to Tehran “New York”.


Noooo I may not agree with her politics, but she's a lovely lady, survived a terrible wreck, and looks good for 54 years of age, don't you think?

44 posted on 11/09/2011 11:17:27 AM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain, a God-fearing, Jesus-loving, Constitution-honoring PATRIOT.)
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To: llandres

It’s my understanding that he converted. When the fishies got done with him, he became Shiite. :)


45 posted on 11/09/2011 2:03:12 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

“It’s my understanding that he converted. When the fishies got done with him, he became Shiite. :)”

LOL! That one took me a second (or two). Duh :-)))


46 posted on 11/09/2011 5:35:13 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: mkjessup

Major LOL!!!


47 posted on 11/09/2011 5:39:07 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: llandres

I couldn’t help myself. ;)


48 posted on 11/10/2011 12:35:20 AM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain, a God-fearing, Jesus-loving, Constitution-honoring PATRIOT.)
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To: ZULU
he deserves another peace prize

He already got 1 of those - More like: An Oscar.

It'll all depend on "perspective" .... at the time.

49 posted on 11/10/2011 2:13:19 AM PST by odds
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