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Joe Paterno must step down...immediately
Fox sports.com ^ | Nov. 9, 2011 | Bill Reiter

Posted on 11/09/2011 2:23:57 PM PST by Colofornian

Buried in the statement Joe Paterno released this morning...is the final piece of evidence, if you are one of the few who still need it, that the man must be removed from his head-coaching job immediately.

...“At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.”

...Paterno did not do enough to put a stop to that abuse when alerted in 2002, is now issuing instructions to the Board of Trustees?

Shame on you. The proper path forward is clear: Joe must go. Now. Today. Without another moment to lose.

This is a striking level of arrogance and cluelessness from the 84-year-old coach, a level of brazen obtuseness that has the chance of getting lost in the actual news...

But let’s not miss the news that matters: Joe Paterno... still has the gall to offer instructions to those trying to make sense of this horror.

Joe must go. Now.

SNIP

“My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination,” the statement concluded...

Here’s the thing, Joe. Your goals are now meaningless. Football has been put in its proper place, set into proper context by allegations that a man you gave access to your football program reportedly as late as last week...

SNIP

As for...the rest of your life doing all you can, Joe, well, start here: Step down. Today. Stop making this about you. Stop issuing ultimatums. Stop thinking your tenure as football coach means a thing right now. Stop allowing misguided Penn State fans to direct their moral outrage in the wrong directions, toward anyone daring to criticize a legend...

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From the article: ...Paterno did not do enough to put a stop to that abuse when alerted in 2002, is now issuing instructions to the Board of Trustees? Shame on you. The proper path forward is clear: Joe must go. Now. Today. Without another moment to lose. This is a striking level of arrogance and cluelessness from the 84-year-old coach, a level of brazen obtuseness that has the chance of getting lost in the actual news...But let’s not miss the news that matters: Joe Paterno...still has the gall to offer instructions to those trying to make sense of this horror. Joe must go. Now.

From the article: Here’s the thing, Joe. Your goals are now meaningless. Football has been put in its proper place, set into proper context by allegations that a man you gave access to your football program reportedly as late as last week...start here: Step down. Today. Stop making this about you. Stop issuing ultimatums. Stop thinking your tenure as football coach means a thing right now. Stop allowing misguided Penn State fans to direct their moral outrage in the wrong directions, toward anyone daring to criticize a legend.

1 posted on 11/09/2011 2:24:02 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
"I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.”

"So I'll quit--when I'm damn good and ready."

What a jerk. Has anyone checked to see if Paterno is a NAMBLA supporter? It looks like that may be the case here.

2 posted on 11/09/2011 2:30:22 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Colofornian

Foxsports just wakes up to the fact that Joe Paterno is “arrogant” and seemingly “tells the Trustees what to do”? Heck, he’s been doing that for many, many years. If the national Media had an objective view of the man he might not have lasted this long.

PSU considers Paterno emblematic of their program because of the (till now) positive national press it brings. If there’d been a little less hero worship everybody might be a little better off right now.


3 posted on 11/09/2011 2:30:24 PM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Colofornian

Nonsense. It’s Paterno responsibility and fault now? That’s crap.


4 posted on 11/09/2011 2:31:35 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Colofornian

Upon learning that Joe Paterno (at best a RINO) donated to the Obama campaign early in 2008, what modicum of tolerance I had for the coach vanished. He needs to go. As in go to jail. Go directly to jail. The tolerance of sodomy under his watch makes Paterno a criminal of the worst kind. And giving money to a Marxist’s campaign only worsens my already low estimation of this vile man.


5 posted on 11/09/2011 2:31:44 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Colofornian
Stop allowing misguided Penn State fans to direct their moral outrage in the wrong directions, toward anyone daring to criticize a legend.

Its sick the way people will over look something like child rape in order to protect their idols. God help them.

6 posted on 11/09/2011 2:32:12 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: San Jacinto

Paterno is a big time conservative GOPer.


7 posted on 11/09/2011 2:32:14 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Colofornian

Sorry I disagree. Should he have done more? Yes. Is his inaction a firing offense? No.

The person our anger should be directed to is Sandusky. Seems he didn’t care who he hurt just so his urges were satisfied.


8 posted on 11/09/2011 2:33:25 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Colofornian

Bill Reiter has spoken! LOL,,, i have T-shirts older than him. End of the season is fine,,, take a zanex.


9 posted on 11/09/2011 2:33:40 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: fatnotlazy
Yes. Is his inaction a firing offense? No.

When you consider the potential impact on recruiting...just based on what's in the best interests of the program, than JoePa has to go, they've already lost a few recruits since this started.

10 posted on 11/09/2011 2:34:34 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: fatnotlazy

Didn’t Paterno report what he learned of to his superiors??


11 posted on 11/09/2011 2:37:37 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Perdogg
Paterno is a big time conservative GOPer.

He's an Obama supporter and backed it up with his money. And the few Republicans he donated to are RINOs, not Conservatives as shown by Paterno's Political Contributions.

An (R) beside his name is no excuse and it doesn't make him a Conservative. Think Jacob Javits, Olympia Snowe, Bob LaFollette...

12 posted on 11/09/2011 2:37:56 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex
"Upon learning that Joe Paterno (at best a RINO) donated to the Obama campaign early in 2008"

You are as bad as those attacking Cain. Politics should not have any bearing on "As in go to jail. Go directly to jail."

13 posted on 11/09/2011 2:38:22 PM PST by jpsb
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Yes, Sandusky is the primary villain. But everyone who knew about Sandusky assaulting children and did nothing is morally responsible. I can’t imagine knowing that something like that happened to a child and not informing the police (so the abuser hopefully won’t be able to abuse any other children) and not informing the victim’s parents so that child can get help.


14 posted on 11/09/2011 2:38:22 PM PST by Kipp
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To: Colofornian

Caught a second of Headline News: A campus mural which included a painting of Sandusky has been changed - Sandusky’s face is now a blue blob.

The students are now wearing blue ribbons for the victims.

One guy interviewed said he hopes Joe Paterno wears the ribbon.

Isn’t that special?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaqI20WHyk


15 posted on 11/09/2011 2:42:58 PM PST by sodpoodle (Cain - touching the better angels of our nature. Newt - knowledge is power.)
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To: dfwgator; fatnotlazy

The notion that a person is entitled to a job regardless of what they do or don’t bother to do is the very heart of marxism.

I am more of a merit sort of guy, So I say fire him/


16 posted on 11/09/2011 2:43:53 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Perdogg
Paterno is a big time conservative GOPer.

Who donated to Barack Hussein Obama’s campaign?

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?name=Paterno%2C+Joseph&state=PA&zip=&employ=&cand=&c2008=Y&sort=N&capcode=jv5tf&submit=Submit+your+Donor+Query

17 posted on 11/09/2011 2:45:22 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Perdogg
Paterno is a big time conservative GOPer.

According to one poster here, he contributed to Obama, but either way, he doesn't get a pass.

This is just my opinion, for what it's worth--

He seems to have done the right thing by reporting to higher ups very shortly after he was told about it, but when his buddy was not being led away in handcuffs within a day or two, he had no right to sit on this information.

You can bet he and PSU are about to get their asses sued off for letting this continue. He needs to go--now. (and I think he will be gone in a few days, but we shall see.)

Also, I was serious about the NAMBLA aspect-- some people just don't see anything wrong with this stuff. Is that why PSU just sat on it while others were victimized? I don't know.

18 posted on 11/09/2011 2:46:20 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: San Jacinto

I’d hate to be sitting on that board! Hope they’re insured up the wazoo. I just discovered that a former boss of mine is sitting on it.


19 posted on 11/09/2011 2:48:25 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Perdogg
It’s Paterno responsibility and fault now? That’s crap.

#1 28 yo Michael McQueary was an eyewitness to the March 2, 2002 assault and met with Paterno the morning after.

Outcome: McQueary meets with Paterno's superiors later in March 2002 but is never interviewed by investigators during the time Sandusky is still running sports camps thruout the state (thru 2008). Paterno "rewards" McQueary to become Wide Receivers Coach (McQueary was a graduate asst at time of being eyewitness) -- and apparently NEVER uses his authority as McQueary's direct supervisor to go directly to the authorities to tell them what McQueary saw that night in March, 2002.

#2 Paterno does the "right" thing initially but fails Basic Humanitarian Ethics 101 over the long run, never tipping off authorities to what he heard from McQueary -- until a Grand Jury subpoenas him in 2010, that is!

Outcome: During this time Paterno knew that Sandusky was running camps on at least four other campuses for 4th graders on up...thru 2008. (Two of these campuses were Penn State satellite campuses)

#3 A felony demands an immediate call. (Just like being down with minutes left in the game demands a no-huddle offense). So Paterno could define a sense of urgency for his offenses, but not the offenses of child-rape? Why did he wait 24 hours to report the crime to his superiors? Did he not know that the rapist could rape the same victim again that very night?

I could just imagine if a murder and body disposal had occurred on Paterno's "watch" on campus. Why, he would have "reported" the "incident" to his superiors, 100% forgotten about it forever, & then focused on the REAL issues of life: Football!

And finally, we're just to believe that Sandusky's "convenient" retirement at age 55 in June, 1999 had NOTHING to do with 1998 crimes and criminal investigations involving pedophilia? And we're to believe that Paterno knew NOTHING of the relationship between his "retirement" and what occurred the year before? And therefore all of this about Sandusky was one HUGE surprise to Paterno early March, 2002?

20 posted on 11/09/2011 2:48:40 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: thackney

For the life of me, I can’t understand what right or left wing politics has to do with this.


21 posted on 11/09/2011 2:50:04 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Colofornian

I always thought the Penn St. quarterbacks took more snaps under center than most! ;-)


22 posted on 11/09/2011 2:52:32 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'll vote for Mitt Romney when Hell freezes over. He's as bad or worse than Zero.)
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To: MrEdd
The notion that a person is entitled to a job regardless of what they do or don’t bother to do is the very heart of marxism.

Most of my PSU-friends were of the opinion that Joe Paterno gets to decide how long Joe Paterno gets to coach PSU. That's before all this, of course. I'm like, "Wait a minute! This isn't some family business that he founded!" Truthfully, JoePa has been losing it for years.

23 posted on 11/09/2011 2:53:45 PM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Colofornian

Doesn’t it seem odd that all of this came out right AFTER JoePa becomes the winningest head coach of all time?

As Aldo Raine said in Inglourious Basterds, “We got a word for that kind of odd in English....it’s called ‘suspicious.’”


24 posted on 11/09/2011 2:54:03 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: miss marmelstein
For the life of me, I can’t understand what right or left wing politics has to do with this.

It's simple (at least to me). Liberalism creates a culture that tolerates deviancy of all forms under the umbrella of diversity. The homosexual agenda is advanced by the left, thereby creating the environment for acceptance of pedophiles. Leftists don't believe in moral absolutes and typically reject Christian values.

25 posted on 11/09/2011 2:55:57 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Colofornian

“28 yo Michael McQueary was an eyewitness to the March 2, 2002 assault”

Did this guy who witnessed it ever call the police if he actually SAW a rape? Seems like most of the blame should fall on the adult eyewitness and not the 3rd party he reported it to. This lack of calling the police could have easily lead the third party to think that whatever he saw didn’t lead HIM to call 911. A bad idea,,,but it’s probably the kind of thought process that lead to Paternos response.


26 posted on 11/09/2011 2:56:12 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
End of the season is fine,,, take a zanex.

Sure, let's see if Joe has the balls to face the crowds at Ohio State and Wisconsin. I'd love to see that.

BTW, it's Xanax.

27 posted on 11/09/2011 2:56:18 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: fatnotlazy

we can multi-task and direct our anger both ways.

Sandusky had free reign. Oh wait! They did take away his keys to the showers!
Other than that? He still had his parking spot, office, access to workout facilities.

After 2002 he continued to attend games, banquets, practices - with boys at his side.

Did no one think this to be.....odd?

How about the grown up men who had discussed the unspeakable in 2002?

Hey look! Jerry has another date for the game!

Really?

And don’t even get me going about the overnight football camps at satellite campuses!


28 posted on 11/09/2011 2:56:27 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Kipp; Mr. Bird
Yes, Sandusky is the primary villain. But everyone who knew about Sandusky assaulting children and did nothing is morally responsible. I can’t imagine knowing that something like that happened to a child and not informing the police (so the abuser hopefully won’t be able to abuse any other children) and not informing the victim’s parents so that child can get help.

Bingo.

The NCAA needs to come down heavy on Penn State -- using NCAA Bylaw 2.4 (brought to my attention by Mr. Bird):

NCAA Bylaw 2.4 The Principles of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct. For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program.

29 posted on 11/09/2011 3:00:25 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: dfwgator

a local high school principal finally stopped the madness in ‘09 or ‘10 by calling the police (hey! now there’s an idea!)

Grand jury testimony occurred last december.

I’m not sure what finally triggered the timing for saturday’s arrest.


30 posted on 11/09/2011 3:01:10 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: re_nortex

My post was in context. We have people here fighing over whether these villians were Republican or Democrat donors! Who cares? They all belong in jail.


31 posted on 11/09/2011 3:02:05 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Colofornian

It’s painfully obvious they all tried to keep the crimes and scandal within the school system and out of public view.


32 posted on 11/09/2011 3:02:23 PM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: re_nortex

“It’s simple (at least to me). Liberalism creates a culture that tolerates deviancy of all forms under the umbrella of diversity.”

It would be interesting to see what the psychology department was actually TEACHING on that topic there,,wouldn’t it? While everyone is screaming for Paternos head,, i bet you a paycheck that in the psych dept and womens studies department is teaching perversions that would make Caligula blush. They have gay clubs, vagina monologues, V-day instead of valentines day, etc,,,
Of course, THAT’S ok.


33 posted on 11/09/2011 3:03:56 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: TexasCajun
It’s painfully obvious they all tried to keep the crimes and scandal within the school system and out of public view.

That, or you had a situation like at Baylor, where they covered up the details of a murder of one of their basketball players, out of fear of what else the investigators were going to find out about the program.

34 posted on 11/09/2011 3:03:56 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: buccaneer81

“BTW, it’s Xanax.”

BTW,, im kind of proud that i can’t spell the name of the most popular mom-has-stress pill. But I notice you can spell it just fine! Yesssiree,,,


35 posted on 11/09/2011 3:06:11 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: buccaneer81

My friend, Buck! You’re here on a very, very serious thread. I’m new to this story and am having a nervous breakdown over this horror. Sort of puts the Cain chicks in perspective, doesn’t it? (Do not mean to hijack this thread!!)


36 posted on 11/09/2011 3:06:58 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: TexasCajun

It’s painfully obvious they all tried to keep the crimes and scandal within the school system and out of public view.


Yup, sweep it all under the rug—until the rug explodes. That’s the way just about every big organization does it—and lots of med/small ones’s too.


37 posted on 11/09/2011 3:07:58 PM PST by rbg81
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To: dfwgator; DesertRhino; Pan_Yan; Perdogg; Colofornian; Scanian; tcrlaf
Here's a Paterno quote (from back in the mid-80's) that takes on new meaning:

When asked about retirement, Joe Paterno once said that he would not, because it would leave college football in the hands of "the Jackie Sherrills and the Barry Switzers".

38 posted on 11/09/2011 3:09:42 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: buccaneer81
Sure, let's see if Joe has the balls to face the crowds at Ohio State and Wisconsin. I'd love to see that.

Nope, he will stay in the press box.

39 posted on 11/09/2011 3:16:26 PM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: Colofornian

Well, at least he wasn’t turning his head away from trading in sports memoribillia or free tatoos.


40 posted on 11/09/2011 3:19:37 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Colofornian

From the ESPN article:

The coach defended his decision to take the news to Curley. Paterno said it was obvious that the graduate student was “distraught,” but said the graduate student did not tell him about the “very specific actions” in the grand jury report.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7211281/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-retire-end-season

So the question really is “What did JoePa know and when did he know it.” What did McQueary tell him?

Until we know that (or until someone in authority knows that), calls for Paterno to be fired are premature.

Note - I’m not a Penn State fan and I think Paterno should have been gone several years ago.


41 posted on 11/09/2011 3:19:56 PM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: fatnotlazy
Failing to report felonious sexual assault on a minor boy is not a “firing offense?” By report I mean to authorities, not his boss.
42 posted on 11/09/2011 3:27:46 PM PST by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: DesertRhino
BTW,, im kind of proud that i can’t spell the name of the most popular mom-has-stress pill. But I notice you can spell it just fine! Yesssiree,,,

It could have something to do with the fact that I have worked for a major pharmaceutical company for 21 years...and we make the generic of Xanax.

43 posted on 11/09/2011 3:29:45 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: rbg81
It’s painfully obvious they all tried to keep the crimes and scandal within the school system and out of public view.

Yup, sweep it all under the rug—until the rug explodes. That’s the way just about every big organization does it—and lots of med/small ones’s too.


Which brings my mind back to the issue of parental rights. How many times do we hear how organizations outside the family are so necessary to "protect" kids ?

In NJ - the State foster program - LOST a few hundred, or IIRC, a few thousand kids, I'm not sure which. When they went back to the foster homes, the kids were gone.

So the State forcibly took kids from parents deemed "bad" by the State of NJ using Courts with NO juries, just a single Judge - and then lost track of them.

Government and "organizations" are a horrific substitute for FAMILY and CHURCH CONGREGATION.
44 posted on 11/09/2011 3:31:07 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: buccaneer81

A likely excuse ;-)


45 posted on 11/09/2011 3:31:27 PM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: miss marmelstein
The Cain chicks are a minor story compared to this.

My belief that major universities are dens of shame and evil is reinforced on a daily basis with the stories we see. (And I say that as a college grad, but from a small private university.)

46 posted on 11/09/2011 3:32:50 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

I, too, went to a small private college - in New York City. But it was in the 70s - before political correctness and Marxism destroyed the educational system.

Shame and evil. I pray for America.


47 posted on 11/09/2011 3:37:32 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Gil4
From the ESPN article: The coach defended his decision to take the news to Curley. Paterno said it was obvious that the graduate student was “distraught,” but said the graduate student did not tell him about the “very specific actions” in the grand jury report...So the question really is “What did JoePa know and when did he know it.” What did McQueary tell him? Until we know that (or until someone in authority knows that), calls for Paterno to be fired are premature.

Sorry, but we already have Paterno's testimony on file via the Grand Jury Presentment. And according to that, he was "specific enough":

quoted from p. 7 of the Grand Jury Presentment:
"...the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's home, where he reported what he had seen. Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley (‘Curley’), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate supervisor, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

Now did you catch that last phrase: "or doing SOMETHING of a SEXUAL NATURE TO a young boy"???

There's no two ways about it: It's just as much of a felony to commit other forms of child sexual abuse as it is child rape! (Why can't people like ESPN and others get that thru their head?)

Therefore, due to the Grand Jury presentment, we know when he knew: He knew at least sketchy details via a phone call the night of the attack (March, 2002)

And by the meeting at his house the next day, he heard direct eyewitness testimony -- the kind of testimony that had it been presented to a police detective would have resulted in the immediate arrest of Sandusky. IOW, this wasn't just multi-generation "rumors" from a non-credible source.

We don't know EVERYTHING Paterno learned from that meeting with McQueary, but we know he knew it was "something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

So what's there to wait about there?

Besides, the real problem Paterno has morally and dereliction of duty-wise and violating NCAA bylaw 2.4 is what he FAILED to do 2003 and beyond. He was supervisor of the Wide Receiver Coach who was the eyewitness, but somehow lacked authoritative or moral compulsion to convince that coach to report the crime over the long run.

Paterno was irresponsible and wreckless with his ethical response to the situation over the long run.

48 posted on 11/09/2011 3:38:28 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Seems to me that Paterno is dictating his terms to the board. I ask everyone this one question:

When will someone at Penn State stand up and assume the adult status and start leading for God’s sake?

The silence is telling, there seems to be no rational understanding of how very deep the kimchee is at this point.


49 posted on 11/09/2011 3:39:06 PM PST by alarm rider (I took the pledge, I will never vote for another RINO, not now, not ever.)
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To: DesertRhino

Are you also glad that you don’t know how to spell?


50 posted on 11/09/2011 3:40:36 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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