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Rick Perry on debate gaffe: 'I stepped in it'
Polutico ^ | Wednesday November 9, 2011 | Alexander Burns

Posted on 11/09/2011 8:30:08 PM PST by Bigtigermike

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To: Norm Lenhart

Recall that smelt in CA that Sarah Palin called “bait”?

She was right. As far as I know, the water is still shut off to the farmers.


101 posted on 11/10/2011 1:44:35 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Windflier
It was so embarrassing, that I was turning red!

You didn't get a picture?

;<)

102 posted on 11/10/2011 1:45:31 AM PST by Eaker (Nothing even remotely praising Romney should be posted because one should stick to the truth.)
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To: onyx

The sheer magnitude of closures over endangered bugs bushes and birds is beyond the ability of people to really wrap their minds around. From the Off rooad side I can tell you of MILLIONS of acres that have already been closed to EVERYONE (except the Sierra Club types (and in one case in upstate NY, LITERALLY to all but the Sierra Club). That’s just 1 thing.

Then add up the closures that effect farming, logging drilling, mining, home building, powerline/pipeline construction, irrigation, and add the phrase ‘millions of acres” to each and every one of those.

Now ponder the Billions of dollars lost as those lands are now suddenly taken from the public and private ...for the children, and in the name of species deemed endangered by the people who want said land closed.

Look up “Turtle Island” and then recoil in horror as it is part and Parcel of United Nations Agenda 21.

And for those unaware, the US Govt is ALL FOR Agenda 21 under Dem and many Republican leaders.


103 posted on 11/10/2011 2:06:44 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Norm Lenhart

That agency is totally out of control and has out lived its usefulness in the real world. Shut it down and reopen if necessary under very strict guide lines and in a very small capacity.

As for the infighting between Sarah Palin supporters and Rick Perry supporters, IIRC, Sarah’s supporters stayed with her until her decision on October 5, so the majority of her supporters were the ones being beaten over their heads for not jumping ship. Some folks need to grow thicker skins, move on or stop whining. I like Newt and Herman best right now, but I’m more than willing to vote for all of our guys and Michele save for Romney; (knowing that Ron Paul and Hunstman won’t win).


104 posted on 11/10/2011 2:35:47 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Oh yeah, and get out of the UN - that was Governor Perry’s GOOD MENTION during the previous debate.

We really need to get out of the idiot U.N.


105 posted on 11/10/2011 2:38:19 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: onyx

Yup. Total agreement. The UN gives ‘teeth’ to the EPA. Yup, fumigate that building and then burn it to the ground. Without US dollars, the UN evaporates along with their edicts and asorted evil in the world.

Sure, they keep some things in check...unnaturally. And that’s why we have the foreign policy grief we do. If some of these countries had to deal with bs on their own, and amongst themselves directly, we wouldn’t have the masses we ALL do.


106 posted on 11/10/2011 2:55:19 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Carl from Marietta

Except for one thing, he’s never lost an election.


107 posted on 11/10/2011 3:36:18 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Bush won back to back Presidential elections, love the troops, was pretty selfless, still managed 5% unemployment after 9-11.

bus was an excellent President, he just liked to spend and he was too nice. Perry doesn't like to spend.

108 posted on 11/10/2011 3:41:10 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Windflier
Consider this, there is a sizable group of people in the electorate who are undecided and who are looking for substance. Herman Cain has zero record to base his words on.

Newt and Mitt have been on both sides of the argument too many times and Perry has the very best economic record of any candidate running.

The last poll I saw had Cain and Romney tied at 21% and Perry and Newt virtually tied at around 11-12 percent.

When you see a person up close and talk to them and get a sense of who they are and you see people mocking that same decent person, it makes you want to circle the wagons to defend the guy.

109 posted on 11/10/2011 3:51:06 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
The EPA is the tool that the libs use to destroy farms and orchards through forced drought condition, stop energy exploration, crush manufacturing and energy production.

Perry is the one candidate with the conviction and the proven record to take this agency on.

110 posted on 11/10/2011 3:54:51 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Forty-Niner
.... Perry has failed many times to live up to his billing as put forth by his ardent fans....you know, the ones that infested Palin threads touting Perry at every turn while denigrating Palin supporters......The irony of it all is not lost on the casual observer or Palin supporter......

Kind of like their chickens are starting to come home to roost you mean.

111 posted on 11/10/2011 4:02:38 AM PST by Ron H. (Conservatives have the Tea Party. The Liberals have the Pee Party.)
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To: annieokie
Yes he did do well otherwise. I don’t know who makes me more disgusted, Romney or all the horrible Perry bashers on F.R., they have gotten out of hand.

You can always go over to DU if you feel you need to get away from all us so real conservative Cain supporters.

112 posted on 11/10/2011 4:07:46 AM PST by Ron H. (Conservatives have the Tea Party. The Liberals have the Pee Party.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Perry put the toaster setting on burn with this one. Forever he’ll be known as two out of three Perry and lampooned out of the election by the media and hollywood.

“Mr. President, your plans to adjust spending in the military triad will affect which branches of service?”—my spending cuts will affect the Army, Navy and, uh,...oh what was that other one....uh....oops.

“Mr. President, can you explain what being a Christian means to you?”.....Why yes, I worship the Father, Son and the...uh,..oh,...mmm....what was that other one...uh, darn, oops.


113 posted on 11/10/2011 4:10:42 AM PST by Rebelbase (Yes we Cain!)
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To: normy

Perry is an illegal alien coddling panderer who does not respect parental rights. The fact that he’s lockstep with me on the EPA does in no way excuse the many other flaws in his political ideology.

In fact I have praised his EPA stance on a couple threads. But I dont think decent human beings abandon their countrymen’s desires to benefit illegals. And please don’t tell me about the feds and the TX legislature. Perry has always had it within his power to put up any number of roadblocks to illegals. He has not.

He plays the game to pacify republican voters, talks tough and then gets blankets and sombreros from the Mex Pres for his help with illegals. He speaks at racist LaRaza events, Speaks at Racist Muslim events and then comes running hat in hand to Conservatives.

And his fence thing... he has it exactly backwards. Those miles of empty are where a REAL fence would do the most good. A city is far easier to cover with patrols than a thousand mile stretch.

I present to you the same challenge that has gone unanswered by Perry supporters since he announced...

Explain to me how his stance on Illegals, Islam, guardasil, TTC and the fence shows conservative belief, principle or values. Prove to me and others sharing my belief that it does and he gets my vote. But since his actions prove by any rational measure and generally accepted definition to be the polar opposite of conservative regarding these issues, I do not see how that is possible. But I invite you to try and I’ll honestly look at it with an open mind.


114 posted on 11/10/2011 4:11:27 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Rebelbase

Yep.... Silent lapses at debates will soon be called “Perry moments”


115 posted on 11/10/2011 4:24:39 AM PST by catfish1957 (A politican with a heart usually means they have one hand in our pocketbooks!!!)
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To: Bigtigermike

I am sorry for what happened with Perry last night. I know so many FReepers had their hopes tied to this candidate, and this was no way I wanted to see his campaign end.


116 posted on 11/10/2011 4:54:18 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
but I am less of a fan of this unimportant stuff taking up headlines.

BTTT

117 posted on 11/10/2011 4:57:14 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Eaker
You're right. The reputations of our available candidates have been spun by the left to show them as a bunch of incompetent bozos.

Except Romney really is a gun-grabbing baby killer.

In the meantime, our mozlim, kenyan, homo, anti-American, ineligible "pres_ent" is a brilliant genius and statesman who has the country moving "toward" the right track. He just needs four more years to complete his task.
118 posted on 11/10/2011 4:57:48 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: alicewonders
It's over Alice. He's cooked. That is all they are showing from the debate on the news which is a shame since Cain did a phenomenal job and should have his lines on the news. Perry really should drop out today. The poor guy is seriously in pain when on stage. He doesn't enjoy debates as he himself has stated so why not drop out.
119 posted on 11/10/2011 5:32:12 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: normy
Bush won back to back Presidential elections, love the troops, was pretty selfless, still managed 5% unemployment after 9-11.

He left the border wide open for terrorists in our midst. He instituted an intolerable internal security system. He blew a trillion in Iraq to no end. Instead he pussy footed with Iran while they built nuke capability we may not be able to stop. He barely beat a billionaire Massachusetts leftist, a weaker Rat than Dukakis. He made a buffoon of himself in press conferences. He instituted the largest entitlement since MediCare. He did NOTHING about the regulatory bureaucracy that is killing our economy. He touted home ownership stats while the bubble built and paid off the same Goldman Sachs thugs when it did. When he was done, Democrats held congress and a Marxist held the Presidency.

bus was an excellent President, he just liked to spend and he was too nice. Perry doesn't like to spend.

It's the Texas legislature that doesn't like to spend. Perry is a glad-handing back-slapping politician who rewards his friends. I don't trust him at all.

120 posted on 11/10/2011 5:48:51 AM PST by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: txhurl

The next debate is Saturday night....just three days from now. I don’t know what the format is.


121 posted on 11/10/2011 5:56:33 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Bigtigermike

I don’t care what anyone thinks about Perry politically.In the end Obama will lose and at least Perry has the basic decency to admit he messed up.Holder and Obama need to take some lessons from Perry on this.Has anyone heard Holder apologize for NOT apologizing to the Terry Family or taken a lick of responsibility?Has anyone heard a word from Obama about his live microphone gaffe dissing the Jewish vote and Israel?No, because the MSM won’t allow it.They want Perry in the news.


122 posted on 11/10/2011 6:06:44 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: normy
Except for one thing, he’s never lost an election.

In the primaries, in 2002 he had no Republican competitors, in 2006 his biggest competitor was a Texas secessionist who didn't even crack 10% of the vote, and in 2010, his biggest competitor was Kay Bailey Hutchison who phoned in her campaign for the most part and who was relying on advertising to put her over the top.

In the general elections, in 2002 he faced a Democrat who had already been gutted and cleaned by another Democrat in their primary, in 2006 he faced a clown car of candidates that allowed him to run away with 39% of the vote, and in 2010 he faced a Clinton insider that he was able to avoid debating.

These did not prepare him for a truly hostile media and for going up against several other Republicans who are prepared to go toe-to-toe with him on a near-daily basis.

For those who say that his debate performances don't matter, they should explain exactly why they think he has dropped since his first debate.

You have to be able to walk into the lion's den (in front of the media), you have to stare the lion down and you have to explain what you believe and why you believe it, and you have to explain why you think Conservatives should be the ones governing. You can't do it from a script either.
123 posted on 11/10/2011 6:12:03 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: napscoordinator

I am not a diehard Perry supporter at this moment but he should not drop out.It is a debate for Godsakes.Obama dissed Israel on a live microphone and Holder gets a media pass from what should be his resignation and or impeachment? But Rick Perry is being tried for a brain fart? A lot of Presidents may not be the king of debates.Porky Pig could beat Obama in a debate.Calling for Perry to get out of the race because of this is just plain wrong.


124 posted on 11/10/2011 6:13:48 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: onyx
Oh yeah, and get out of the UN - that was Governor Perry’s GOOD MENTION during the previous debate.

A good point, except that Ron Paul has been pushing bills in Congress to get the US out of the UN for the last 30 years. I'm not a Ron Paul fan, but give him credit for actively pushing this in Congress long before Perry came onto the scene.
125 posted on 11/10/2011 6:16:07 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

No comparison. Obama is the President not a candidate (yet). Perry is in a job interview and screwed up horribly. We can use the gaff from Obama next year when he is job interviewing again. Right now it is all about picking a Republican nominee. I know you love Perry but my recommendation is get as much as you can from watching Perry now because he will not be the nominee under any circumstances. Well I guess the other 7 could drop out and leave him the nominee by default, but that is highly unlikely.


126 posted on 11/10/2011 6:19:06 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
Excuse and pardon me a thousand times as I do not want to appear rude or argumentative but what part of the first sentence in my reply to you that I stated that I am not a Perry supporter at this time didn't you get?I think it is unwise if Perry drops out now.
127 posted on 11/10/2011 6:29:32 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Bigtigermike

He ‘stepped in it’ when he called us ‘heartless.’


128 posted on 11/10/2011 6:32:35 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Allegra

True dat and then some.


129 posted on 11/10/2011 6:40:12 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: MHGinTN

Shame on you.

An ethical doctor *wouldn’t* make a diagnosis as you did, and most of us *couldn’t* with any confidence that we’d prevail at court, and we’d be destroyed at a seminar/M&M.

Regardless of ethics, the observed behavior - the gestalt - does not come anywhere near pathological or indicative of a syndrome. There would be other deficiencies in evidence - although those deficiencies might require an actual examination by a practicing, experienced physician to certify with any sort of professional competence.


130 posted on 11/10/2011 7:20:08 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: hocndoc

Watch out for the fall from that high horse you’re trying to ride.


131 posted on 11/10/2011 7:51:22 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Ron H.
""""You can always go over to DU if you feel you need to get away from all us so real conservative Cain supporters."""""

No, I will stay right here where I have always been as a True Conservative and yet one with Civility. Do you see Cain EVER bashing another, no because he is CIVIL, yet you are reflecting on him as a spokesman.

The point is the vicious bashing of Perry in favor of Cain, really reflects on Cain. Cain is a gentleman, and I doubt if he would approve of all the vicious bashing of another candidate or the Perry supporters on F.R. Would he?

Sometimes it seems as if the Cain people on here, would like to see Perry "Black Hawk Downed", that is how vicious it has become. Who's next, when & if Perry folds?

Now tell me where you think I am a Perry Backer? ROFL.

132 posted on 11/10/2011 8:43:32 AM PST by annieokie
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To: normy
Herman Cain has zero record to base his words on.

Perhaps he has no political record, but he's certainly got a long and impressive resume. Yes, he's got a record. Just not in politics.

The last poll I saw had Cain and Romney tied at 21% and Perry and Newt virtually tied at around 11-12 percent.

You must not have been watching the race all that closely for the last month or so. All of those numbers have shifted drastically. Cain is running around 30%, Romney around 24%, Newt about 21%, and Perry's around 8%.

Perry is sliding into oblivion because of his terrible debate performances, and because voters have had time to do their own vetting. He's just not doing a good job selling himself, and voters aren't all that impressed with what they're finding on their own.

133 posted on 11/10/2011 8:47:42 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MHGinTN

I can’t fall or fail by pointing out good medical ethics.


134 posted on 11/10/2011 8:49:12 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Well said, bud. I hate revisionists.


135 posted on 11/10/2011 8:52:15 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: hocndoc
So from your high-horse you aren't even aware you toss foolish comments like 'Shame on you' at someone with anything not 100% positive regarding your Rick Perry? Figures ... self-imposed blindness to any flaw in the object of your adoration is a hallmarks of hero worship.

After your assault on Herman Cain's integrity as 'not pro-life enough' for you, I realized I no longer valued your opinion, so you can understand why your 'shame on you' rings hollow, very hollow.

136 posted on 11/10/2011 9:02:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Junior_G

My criteria for memory lost that’s normal or depression vs. organic/Alzheimer’s/brain damage: if it doesn’t get in the way of your life, no worries; if it bothers you, it’s probably not Alzheimer’s or a stroke; if you aren’t bothered by getting lost/starting fires, forgetting to bathe, you probably have an organic brain disorder.


137 posted on 11/10/2011 9:03:34 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Eaker

Well said. hahahahaha


138 posted on 11/10/2011 9:08:20 AM PST by annieokie
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To: MHGinTN

I said “shame on you” because due to our years of conversation on this board, I know that you have a normally high sense of ethics.

The problem with Cain is his inability to explain or his lack of understanding of the roll of government and governors in laws and regulations when it comes to abortion. In July on Stossel and in October on CNN and everywhere on the following day, he made contradictory and extremely poor comments on abortion. He finally said - both in July and recently - that he meant that government shouldn’t interfere if a woman or families choose an illegal act.

Cain makes these “gaffes” over days and months, not on the spur of the moment. This leads me to believe that his thoughts and beliefs are the problem.


139 posted on 11/10/2011 9:16:27 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: txhurl
OK, but if you’ve been around Texas for long, you know he doesn’t pick battles he don’t think he can win. He’s not the type to run for POTUS so he can brag about it, and you know it.

Now there's some tribal support, if I ever saw it. I think Perry supporters have nothing left, but to simply circle the wagons and soldier on because he's their favorite son. He's certainly not giving anyone else a compelling reason to support him.

Perry's record and stance on the issues was already enough to ping the radar of most well-informed conservatives, but his onstage gaffes sealed his fate. He will not recover from these public fumbles.

140 posted on 11/10/2011 9:21:31 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Eaker
I think it's time for you to jump into the race. :-D

Now THAT would fire things up!

141 posted on 11/10/2011 9:38:15 AM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I’ve been observing behavior here all through the past summer and up to now.

No amount of Mitt Romney-style fast-talking is going to change what I saw.

A lot of people fall for that sort of thing, which is what gives the media its power over the masses.

I am not and never have been one of those people. ;-)


142 posted on 11/10/2011 9:45:56 AM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Windflier
The last two national polls released had Cain and Romney virtually tied. One was 27-28 and one was 21-21.

The same polls had Gingrich 13 to Perry 10 and Gingrich 12-Perry 11.

I look at the state polls and they are really odd. While Perry looks like he's bombing, the Obama vs. Perry is virtually the same as Obama vs. any of the candidates.

143 posted on 11/10/2011 9:45:56 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: annieokie
.... yet you are reflecting on him as a spokesman. ....

Thank you for your unbiased opinion. Next.

144 posted on 11/10/2011 10:14:14 AM PST by Ron H. (Conservatives have the Tea Party. The Liberals have the Pee Party.)
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To: Ron H.

Your very welcome, anytime.


145 posted on 11/10/2011 10:18:44 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Allegra

“That there’s pretty interesting, seeing as how Perry didn’t enter the race until August 13...”

Yes, the most ardent among the Perry supporters were way ahead of the ball......doesn’t change the effect of their behavior or the reactions of other posters to them.


146 posted on 11/10/2011 10:20:28 AM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Allegra

“I take it you were deeply in the tank as well?”

I take it by your language that your intent is to start a flame war......nice try.......


147 posted on 11/10/2011 10:23:20 AM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Forty-Niner
I take it by your language that your intent is to start a flame war......nice try.......

Oh, keep your shirt on. (Please!)

That was in response to your snarky little pissant comment.

I used to go after pissant for his rude comments about Governor Palin, by the way.

Get over yourself. I don't go looking for flamewars, but when someone drags me into one, they're usually sorry in a pretty short time. I don't back down from Internet Tough Guys (aka Tiny Hyenas.)

Especially when the challenger is an snippy little noob.

148 posted on 11/10/2011 10:30:49 AM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Ron H.

“Kind of like their chickens are starting to come home to roost you mean.”

Despite the ardent support of fans here on FR, Perry can’t seem to rise above the ~10% polling support he enjoys now. (look at the polling data posts here on FR...he isn’t even mentioned in the banner line) I’d say, as a candidate, he is in the same position as Romney in 2008. I’d look for his withdrawal sometime in early 2012....his viability/popularity as a candidate just isn’t there in the national conscienceness for whatever/varied reasons....... JMHO


149 posted on 11/10/2011 10:34:31 AM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: normy

“.....the Obama vs. Perry is virtually the same as Obama vs. any of the candidates.”

Not odd at all....it just illustrates the extent of “Anybody but Obama” feelings in the country......Perry fits the generic “anybody” in that equation.....

The relevant question is Perry’s viability to become the Republican Nominee which is low and drifting lower.

Despite all the sound and fury of his supporters, Perry hasn’t caught on in the national areana......sorry pal it is looking more and more like it may be time for you and others to move on and look for a candidate that has a chance of topping the Republican ticket.

No matter how the primaries shake out, keep foremost in your mind that the defeat of Obama and the Democrats is our shared priority.


150 posted on 11/10/2011 10:45:55 AM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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