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PERRY DEBATE DISASTER: This Is The Moment That Officially Killed His Campaign For Good (PAINFUL!)
Business Insider ^ | 11/09/2011 | Zeke Miller

Posted on 11/09/2011 8:44:52 PM PST by SeekAndFind

At today's CNBC debate Texas Gov. Rick Perry was asked a question about his tax and spending plan — but completely blew an otherwise strong answer by looking like a complete fool.

Perry was listing the three Cabinet agencies he wants to abolish — and forgot the third one.

From the transcript:

Perry: And I will tell you, it is three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. Commerce, Education, and the — what's the third one there? Let's see...Okay. Commerce, Education, and the —"

Ron Paul: EPA?

Perry: EPA, there you go.

Moderator: Seriously -- is epa one you are talking about?

Perry: No, sir, no, sir. we are talking about the -- agencies of government -- EPA needs to be rebuilt. >>

Moderator: you can't -- you can't name the third one?

Perry: The third agency of government I would -- I would do away with Education, the -- >> Commerce...Commerce and, let's see. I can't. The third one, I can't. Sorry. Oops.

About 15 minutes later, Perry said "It was the Department of Energy that I was reaching for before."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 53seconds; campaign; debate; georgewperry; heartless; oops; perry; perry2012; rickperry
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Is Rick Perry having a senile moment here?.... That was one of the most awkward moments I've ever seen in a debate.

Perry really can't think on his feet.

Unfortunately, the President NEEDS to be a great COMMUNICATOR.

It's clear that Perry ain't the one.

1 posted on 11/09/2011 8:44:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately, the President NEEDS to be a great COMMUNICATOR.

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Obama’s presidency has lowered the bar. Kerry’s 57 states didn’t bump him out either.


2 posted on 11/09/2011 8:48:31 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately, the media will keep giving him do overs, cause they want to keep the circus going for as log as they can... and if the clowns go home, they got nothing.


3 posted on 11/09/2011 8:49:54 PM PST by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: SeekAndFind

and never was.


4 posted on 11/09/2011 8:50:24 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought it was handled well, actually.

It was funny.

Obama has made far worse gaffes.


5 posted on 11/09/2011 8:50:42 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: SeekAndFind
Perry was talking about the three departments he would eliminate and when he got to the third one, well, he just ran out of...energy.

Ironically, it was the Dept. of Energy he was trying to remember.

6 posted on 11/09/2011 8:55:11 PM PST by SamAdams76 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: dps.inspect

I agree. This whole GOP nomination process has been a circus.

One, PT Barnum would be envious of.

My prediction: You will hear less about Herman Cain in the next week.
And A LOT more about Perry.
The Liberal media smells FRESH blood in Perry. He has just bumped Cain out of the top spot of “Take Out A GOP Candidate” list.
I’m sure Cain is thanking the good lord.


7 posted on 11/09/2011 8:55:37 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: ltc8k6

Perry is one of the few (if any) candidates who is confident enough to be able to laugh at himself. That’s laudable and human. A lapse in an otherwise very good debate performance. He can’t be counted out.


8 posted on 11/09/2011 8:56:39 PM PST by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: SeekAndFind

He did communicate well. He called us Heartless, thats what killed Perry.


9 posted on 11/09/2011 8:58:04 PM PST by easternsky
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To: tennmountainman

Rick provided a huge favor the the SNL writers.


10 posted on 11/09/2011 8:58:39 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: SamAdams76

He remembered all three at the Local Legion Hall 4 months ago.


11 posted on 11/09/2011 9:00:01 PM PST by corbe (mystified)
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To: SeekAndFind
The sad part; this stuff has zero to do with how someone can govern.

We are electing slick debaters. Almost like auditions to be actors.

12 posted on 11/09/2011 9:00:41 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, his wife encouraged him to run, saying she and others were seeing the “burning bush,” nobody seemed to realize it was actually a premonition of his campaign going down in flames.


13 posted on 11/09/2011 9:01:21 PM PST by edpc (My silence IS an answer)
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To: varina davis
A lapse in an otherwise very good debate performance.

I agree. He recovered well and if you take that moment out - he did really good, it was his best so far.

On the scales, Perry sucks at debating, but he has a record any of those other candidates on stage with him are probably envious of. You can't be 100% perfect, and I'll take a doer over a slick talker any day.

14 posted on 11/09/2011 9:01:30 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: tennmountainman

Investigator: Herman Cain innocent of sexual advances

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/16002149/investigator-herman-cain-innocent-of-sexual-advances


15 posted on 11/09/2011 9:02:12 PM PST by justsaynomore (Pray for Herman Cain)
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To: justsaynomore

Are you posting this on every thread? This was a guy who listened to Cain’s voice and says that he is innocent.


16 posted on 11/09/2011 9:05:23 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: ltc8k6

I watched it and am not a Perry fan, but I though it was funny. I am still on the Cain train, but some laughs are good...we have all had brain farts, even R. Paul got a laugh....


17 posted on 11/09/2011 9:05:56 PM PST by goat granny
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To: tennmountainman

Na... that’s conventional thinking... here’s what I’ll betcha on... they know Perry is out, sure they’ll keep him around for a few laughs, but Cain is still the Big Dog, and they gunna keep nipping at his heels and throwing dirt in the air to try to take him down. Remember when Perry first got in, and he was riding high? The media had begun trying to slime him but they didn’t have to work too hard cause Perry knocked himself out with his own left hook, which also knocked him so fuzzy, he couldn’t remember what the hell he’s doing up on stage... na, they’ll poke a Perry a little, but they’re going to keep after Cain.


18 posted on 11/09/2011 9:08:17 PM PST by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: Irish Eyes

Um, no. It is software that is 95% accurate, and is used in police work. I wouldn’t post the link so much, but it was yanked from Front Page News/Breaking News.

ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) -

Private investigator TJ Ward said presidential hopeful Herman Cain was not lying at a news conference on Tuesday in Phoenix.

Cain denied making any sexual actions towards Sharon Bialek and vowed to take a polygraph test if necessary to prove his innocence.

Cain has not taken a polygraph but Ward said he does have software that does something better.

Ward said the $15,000 software can detect lies in people’s voices.

CBS Atlanta’s Mike Paluska played Cain’s speech for Ward into the software and watched as it analyzed Cain’s every word.

If he is hiding something this thing would have spiked way down here,” said Ward. “He is being truthful, totally truthful. He is a man with integrity and he talked directly about not knowing any incident he is accused of.”

The software analyzes the stress level and other factors in your voice. During the speech, when Cain denied the claims, the lie detector read “low risk.” According to Ward, that means Cain is telling the truth.

During the section of Bialek’s news conference where she says, “He suddenly reached over put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals he also grabbed my head brought it towards his crotch.”

During the analysis of that section the software said “high risk statement.” Ward said that means she is not telling the truth about what happened.

“I don’t think she is fabricating her meetings,” said Ward. But, she is fabricating what transpired.”

Ward said nearly 70 law enforcement agencies nationwide use the voice software, including the Forsyth County Sheriff’s Office.

Ward said the technology is a scientific measure that law enforcement use as a tool to tell when someone is lying and that it has a 95 percent success rate.

After listening to Cain’s speech and analyzing it, Ward said there is no doubt, Cain is innocent.

“When he directly talks about the allegations against him there is no high risk,” said Ward. “It is low risk, which tells me he is being truthful in his conversations to the public.”

Copyright 2011 WGCL-TV. All rights reserved.


19 posted on 11/09/2011 9:08:44 PM PST by justsaynomore (Pray for Herman Cain)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perry is a good communicator in interviews and speeches, not just this type of sound bite format.


20 posted on 11/09/2011 9:09:54 PM PST by independent in tx
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To: independent in tx

I don’t think the media will latch on to this too much. It’s simply a forgetful moment. Cain’s controversy involves SEX and that’s more interesting to the media.


21 posted on 11/09/2011 9:14:30 PM PST by independent in tx
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To: SeekAndFind

And I thought debate 3 was bad for him.

Perry -
“I think Americans just don’t know sometimes which Mitt Romney they’re dealing with. Is it the Mitt Romney that was on the side of — against the Second Amendment before he was for the Second Amendment? Was it — was before — he was before the social programs from the standpoint of — he was for standing up for Roe versus Wade before he was against first — Roe versus Wade? Him — he was for Race to the Top. He’s for Obamacare and now he’s against it. I mean, we’ll wait until tomorrow and — and — and see which Mitt Romney we’re really talking to tonight.”


22 posted on 11/09/2011 9:15:19 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: dps.inspect

I did not say the MSM would leave Cain alone forever.
But Perry has just provided them FRESH Blood. And Sharks go where the fresh blood is. Perry will be the meal of the week for the next week.


23 posted on 11/09/2011 9:16:05 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: SeekAndFind

I am a trial lawyer and know when a jury is guffawing at the lawyer. He’s toast. Damn shame.


24 posted on 11/09/2011 9:18:49 PM PST by MattinNJ
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To: independent in tx

Perry is toast and he will be back at the $10,000.00 a month rental house that the Tax Payers of Texas provide for him before Christmas.


25 posted on 11/09/2011 9:19:30 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: alicewonders

Go plug it in.


26 posted on 11/09/2011 9:27:10 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: SeekAndFind

Come home to Texas, Rick. You’ve still got a job here.


27 posted on 11/09/2011 9:31:01 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind
So, Ricky Peron is finished again? I'm stuned, what will the hot flashing, swooning Perry lovers do now that their dream boy has committed ritual campaign suicide? Will the love postings to Ricky continue?

What will Ricardo do with the mountain of cash that so many SMUCKS gave to this POS?

Any bets he will donate and back the piece of Mitt campaign?

28 posted on 11/09/2011 9:33:14 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: independent in tx
I don’t think the media will latch on to this too much. It’s simply a forgetful moment. Cain’s controversy involves SEX and that’s more interesting to the media.

Plus, Cain's the frontrunner.

That's what the DNC media lapdogs go after.

29 posted on 11/09/2011 9:34:52 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: bobby.223

LMAO


30 posted on 11/09/2011 9:35:04 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: alicewonders

Alice, you can wonder all you want to, but this hack Perry is finished. I’ve been watching politics for 50 years and this is as about as bad as it gets.

This is worse than Ford’s forgetting that Poland was a soviet satellite.

He may or may not be conservative, but he’s certainly not qualified now or in the future to be the President of the United States.


31 posted on 11/09/2011 9:35:04 PM PST by Carl from Marietta (Cain, there's a new sheriff in town.)
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To: ltc8k6
Obama has made far worse gaffes.

Not in a televised campaign debate.

It's one thing to mis-speak when you're on the road and surrounded by a gaggle of reporters asking off the cuff questions. I don't know any candidate who hasn't committed a gaffe under those circumstances.

But in a live debate, which you've no doubt spent considerable time preparing for? Disastrous. Even more-so, considering that he's goofed like this several times already in the debates.

32 posted on 11/09/2011 9:35:58 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: independent in tx
Perry is a good communicator in interviews and speeches, not just this type of sound bite format.

I agree.

33 posted on 11/09/2011 9:37:40 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gardasil.


34 posted on 11/09/2011 9:39:58 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: varina davis
A lapse in an otherwise very good debate performance. He can’t be counted out.

Don't know if you noticed, but Perry has gone from 30% in the polls, to 8% during the time these debates have been going on.

I don't know what sort of miracle you're counting on, but it's highly unlikely that Perry is going to recover the sort of numbers he started out with, with performances like these.

The man simply cannot think on his feet, which is a vital skill for a world leader.

35 posted on 11/09/2011 9:42:16 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Electric Graffiti
Between Perry and now Cain...BOTH OF WHOM I WAS ENTUSIASTIC...I am tuning out the primaries.

I cannot stand to see the slow moving train wreck that is the conservative movement.

I'll tune back i when it’s time to vote for ROMNEY.

I'll take my pleasure in seeing BO stomped into oblivion.

36 posted on 11/09/2011 9:42:26 PM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sigh. Are there any declared candidates out there that aren’t damaged goods in some way?

This might be a good time for Sarah to reconsider.


37 posted on 11/09/2011 9:48:31 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Never mind.)
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To: bobby.223
Go plug it in.

???

38 posted on 11/09/2011 9:52:23 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: Electric Graffiti

You are right....The real Perry will be evident in who he endorses after he leaves. Bet you big money that will be Mitt.


39 posted on 11/09/2011 9:54:08 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy

Given who he supported in 2008, I’d say he’ll back Huntsman.


40 posted on 11/09/2011 9:57:59 PM PST by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: Windflier

I saw it. I thought is was funny and well handled. I thought Perry looked fine when it happened.


41 posted on 11/09/2011 9:58:10 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe Rick Perry may have been under the influence of pain medication.
He has been treated for some back ailment and is taking pain meds for that, as has been reported.
His speech in Rhode Island reinforces that notion.
I voted for Perry and went to his rally with Sarah Palin.
I even suggested he would be the dark horse and take the nomination long ago.
I initially supported him and expected him to be the next president.
But knowing his weak stances on immigration, I felt he had the political acumen to walk them back and refocus as he did with Gardasil.
Instead he doubles down and insults the conservative base by calling them heartless.
That was the moment his campaign went down.
Tonight was just further evidence he does not possess sound judgment or a true conservative pedigree.
For those outside of Texas he vowed to sign a law preventing sanctuary cities in Texas. It never came to a vote. As governor, he has the authority to call a special session and have this put to a vote; unfortunately he does not have the stones to follow through.
Good riddance!


42 posted on 11/09/2011 10:03:52 PM PST by brickdds
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To: SeekAndFind

Rick Perry is excellent really, except when it comes to speaking. He’s got some issues there.


43 posted on 11/09/2011 10:07:45 PM PST by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: Awgie; 50mm; Old Sarge; darkwing104; TheOldLady
Long-time member here; seems to have had a strange virus take over his account for just one post, though...

Cheers!

44 posted on 11/09/2011 10:20:34 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: varina davis
Perry is one of the few (if any) candidates who is confident enough to be able to laugh at himself. That’s laudable and human. A lapse in an otherwise very good debate performance. He can’t be counted out.

You should go watch the segment again, because the look on his face was not one of somebody who was joyously happy, it was the look of somebody who knew how bad they screwed up.
45 posted on 11/09/2011 10:21:23 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: HereInTheHeartland
The sad part; this stuff has zero to do with how someone can govern.

We are electing slick debaters. Almost like auditions to be actors.


Welcome to the last 150 years of politics. Have they become more important over the last 60 years of television, sure, but you want somebody who can communicate, and who can go in front of a hostile crowd and articulate what they believe in and why they believe in it.

People complain about these debates, but I love them, because it's providing a good opportunity for some candidates to sharpen their communication skills and whoever gets this nomination needs to be ready to mix it up with Nobama and the MSM.

My only problem is that after tonight, I can see more and more moderators shying away from engaging Gingrich or Paul.
46 posted on 11/09/2011 10:27:31 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s done. Finished. Kaput. Mark the time, Scotty. Historic.


47 posted on 11/09/2011 10:30:24 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Mr. Cain: Back on message now; let the rest of us ferret out the gutter crap who planted that smear)
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To: Jay Santos CP
Rick Perry is excellent really, except when it comes to speaking.

To save his campaign, no more debates, no more questions.

He should set up a 1-800 call in line so potential supporters can call in and listen to canned messages from Perry, complete with applause.

Limit his campaign stops to a quick wave and smile, then jump back on the bus and take off.

48 posted on 11/09/2011 10:34:25 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: brickdds
believe Rick Perry may have been under the influence of pain medication.
He has been treated for some back ailment and is taking pain meds for that, as has been reported.


This is a crappy rumor to spread. If Perry was in that much pain, he would not be out jogging or actively exercising. He has been jogging, he has said he's doing fine.
49 posted on 11/09/2011 10:35:18 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: SeekAndFind

If the obamacommies at Business Insider say so, it must be so.


50 posted on 11/09/2011 10:35:25 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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