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Questions on Sandusky Are Wrapped in a 2005 Mystery (Penn State)
The New York Slimes ^

Posted on 11/09/2011 10:32:36 PM PST by TigerClaws

One of the questions surrounding the sex-abuse case against Jerry Sandusky is why a former district attorney chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy.

In 2005, divers searched the Susquehanna River in Lewisburg, Pa., for Ray Gricar, who was a Centre County prosecutor. The answer is unknowable because of an unsolved mystery: What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: gay; gaystate; homosexualagenda; nyslimes; paterno; pederastagenda; pederasty; pedophile; pedophileagenda; pennstate; sandusky
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This story seems to go much wider than one man. Could be a ring of pedofiles involved.
1 posted on 11/09/2011 10:32:38 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html


2 posted on 11/09/2011 10:48:52 PM PST by NoLibZone (Occupy is the DNC's use of children,indigent & infirm to push back TeaParty calls for smaller gov't)
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To: TigerClaws

Wanted me to log in....


3 posted on 11/09/2011 10:49:15 PM PST by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: TigerClaws
Could be a ring of pedofiles involved

Pedophilia is a heterosexual abuse of a child. this is pederasty, man on boy. Think NAMBLA. But you are onto a good lead.

4 posted on 11/09/2011 10:53:15 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: TigerClaws
"This story seems to go much wider than one man. Could be a ring of pedofiles involved"

Wherever adults interact with children there are pedophiles involved. IMO, there are coaches now sweating cold in every state.


5 posted on 11/09/2011 10:55:30 PM PST by I see my hands (Keep your sunny side up!)
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To: TigerClaws

It smells for sure. The grad student incident occurred after Sandusky retired. That and the ‘98 investigation were stifled. Why? The DA is now missing and declared dead. More questions than answers and Paterno not much more than a distraction.

Synopsis of the grand jury report from another thread:

‘The victims are in reverse order, i.e., Victim #1 is most recent, Victim #8 oldest.

#1 - Everything was witnessed off campus at a high school by a wrestling and football coach around 2007, complaint filed by mother.

#2 - Witnessed by the grad student in 2002, AFTER Sandusky was retired and was named professor emeritus with full on campus privileges.

#3, #4, #5, and #7 - had no witnesses to sexual conduct. #4 did testify that in May 1999 Sandusky came home distraught that Paterno would not make him head coach. These were all between 1994 and 2000.

#6 - Was reported by the mother and investigation was launched that ended in June 1998 with no charges filed.

#8 - Was witnessed by two janitors one directly and one indirectly, The one who saw it directly was very shaken and reported it to his boss, who told him who to report it to up the chain. The janitor never went any farther with it and now has dementia.

The only part that questions Joe Pa was #6 and the investigation. Not sure what Joe Pa was supposed to do if the police wouldn’t file charges. What he did do is having him out the door within a year after that.

He immediately reported the incident with the grad student but that was AFTER Sundusky retired. Paterno had no authority over him and no authority to deny him access to the campus. Again, that investigation was also stifled.

So there is nothing here about Paterno covering anything up. The most damning was the year it took to get rid of Sandusky and letting him retire instead getting fired. What could you fire him for? The authorities said there was nothing there.

In fact there was no threat of retaliation - when Paterno was approached by the grad student with his story, he took him to the authorities. He basically gave the higher ups implicit authority to boot the guy off campus for good. No cover up due to intimidation by Paterno. This thing lies with Shultz, Curley, the campus police, the in-house attorney, and the DA. Paterno is fairly incidental.’


6 posted on 11/09/2011 10:59:23 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: NoLibZone

This link got me there.

Very interesting article.
thanks


7 posted on 11/09/2011 11:00:31 PM PST by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: Free Vulcan
The 2002 incident happend on campus, and was not reported to the police. That's the huge Paterno problem... From the grand jury report:

On March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant ("graduate assistant") who was then 28 years old, entered the locker room at the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus on a Friday night before the beginning of Spring Break. The graduate assistant, who was familiar with Sandusky, was going to put some newly purchased sneakers in his locker and get some recruiting tapes to watch. It was about 9:30 p.m. As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky.

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Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

If anyone is confused about what to do when you see a 10 year old being raped - CALL THE POLICE! And feel free to shoot if you have a gun handy...
8 posted on 11/09/2011 11:06:26 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Pedophilia is a heterosexual abuse of a child.

Get thee to a dictionary.

9 posted on 11/09/2011 11:10:44 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: MrShoop

To you yes, but PSU may have trained it employees to follow the chain of command. Hindsight now is 20/20 but even where I worked if we see something you don’t run to the cops, you report to your boss.

The grad student was actually the 2nd employee to witness misconduct with that child. I missed that in the first read. Curley and Schultz had legal obligation to report it to the police but didn’t - twice.


10 posted on 11/09/2011 11:19:38 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Pedophilia is a heterosexual abuse of a child. this is pederasty, man on boy.

Wrong.

The difference between pedophilia and pederasty is whether or not the child has finished puberty yet.

Some of these kids were only seven.

That makes it pedophilia.

11 posted on 11/09/2011 11:24:31 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Free Vulcan
You are really telling me that where you work that if a rape happens, you don't call the police, you go to your boss? Do you work for the government or something?

The reason I'd like to see paterno publicly destroyed, is so that it is made more clear to people that they have a moral responsibility to deal with these situations, and not turn a blind eye.

12 posted on 11/09/2011 11:27:43 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: Free Vulcan
Hindsight is no excuse. As a 5'6” , 130 pound female, (I wouldn't have been in a male locker room) but if I had been and saw this coach having anal sex with a 10 year old I would have fought him off with all my might and immediately called 911 and helped the boy, no matter what. If I had been injured or killed by Sandusky, I would have went out trying to save a boy, not running away.
13 posted on 11/09/2011 11:27:50 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
I suggest if you are ever in that situation, pull the fire alarm and hose the pervert down with a fire extinguisher. The man was a pretty good football player when he was young and is still a very large man.

Not likely still a match for a fire fighter though.

14 posted on 11/09/2011 11:31:25 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrShoop

It isn’t just what wasn’t done that night.

How many times did Sandusky show up at the facilities after that? With a boy?

So let me get this right....a bunch of guys hold meetings discussing unspeakable depravity in 2002.
Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, that same monster showed up on campus in the company of boys.

Did no one feel uncomfortable about that?

Heck, the monster showed up last week! Even after everyone knew about the investigation. Even after they had given sworn testimony against him.

Did they wave at him in the parking lot?


15 posted on 11/09/2011 11:34:10 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: MacMattico; MrShoop

No guys, I didn’t work for the govt. I worked for Walmart for many years and they were emphatic that you didn’t go to the police and you didn’t talk about it to anyone but your boss, and you don’t ‘follow up’ because it’s confidential and they can’t tell you jack. I don’t agree with it but that’s the way it is in this over-litigated world.

Would I have done something? Yes, even if it cost me my job or worse. Should they have? Yes, though I imagine like most people they thought their bosses would take care of it quickly and effectively. I know the most well intentione and nicest people who in situations do the dumbest and wrong things and thought they were right the whole time. But there’s a bigger point here.

That was the only incident involving Paterno. There were many others outside of Paterno’s sphere of knowledge and influence that were reported to Curley and Schultz and the university police AND the missing-now-declared-dead DA, and nothing happened - repeatedly. Paterno deserves to go but they were the real gatekeepers and they were neck deep while Paterno was - so far - boots deep.

What I’m saying is the media is doing a reverse-Alinsky. The are freezing and polarizing Paterno and LETTING THE BIG FISH GET AWAY. I know the Spanier the president was fired too but it’s still bigger than that. This may be a ring and if we let the media bait us into a feeding-frenzy on Paterno the real players may get away.

Don’t let the big fish get away.


16 posted on 11/10/2011 12:21:26 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: MrEdd

Good idea, if ever in a situation where one needs to get attention fast.


17 posted on 11/10/2011 12:31:10 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: Free Vulcan

Agreed.
There are a lot of people with a lot of bravado about what they would do if they were in that situation. Most of them would crumble like the grad assistant and the janitor. I was in that situation, followed the company policy, reported that I was contacted by the accused and the incident was properly handled. I was told by the boss that I had followed the policy perfectly and as a result, the accused’s lawyers folded their cards. I was also told that if I hadn’t followed policy, I and anyone else who tried to wing it would be dismissed. Multimillion corporations with multimillion lawyers who have expensive risk policies and strategies that they teach every year to their employees don’t look kindly on wildcatters.


18 posted on 11/10/2011 1:03:37 AM PST by namvolunteer (We draw the Congressional districts this time)
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To: MrShoop

You excised an important part of the story.


19 posted on 11/10/2011 1:06:09 AM PST by namvolunteer (We draw the Congressional districts this time)
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To: namvolunteer

What important part did I excise, and how does it affect the point?


20 posted on 11/10/2011 1:34:46 AM PST by MrShoop
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To: namvolunteer
"I was also told that if I hadn’t followed policy, I and anyone else who tried to wing it would be dismissed."

Okay, that might be a good excuse for the janitor who witnessed Sandusky sodomizing a boy. However, do you really think that Joepa was in danger of being fired for not following policy? Seriously? He makes the policy!!!!

"Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

So by Joepa's very own testimony, he was told in the 2002 incident that Sandusky was in the showers with a young boy doing something sexual. Do you really think that Joepa did everything in his power to stop his former assistant? Let me ask you something, if McQuarry had told Joepa that Sandusky was in the shower doing something of a sexual nature not to a young boy, but to one of Joepa's grandchildren, do you think Joepa would have just reported it up the chain and left it at that? No, Joepa would have went to the police and got an investigation started. He would have had Sandusky banned from the campus. Which is what Joepa should have done in this situation. If McQuarry would not have went with him to the police, then he should have told the police what McQuarry told him and the police would have interviewed McQuarry. This is Joe Paterno. He's a god in Happy Valley!! He could have made things happen.
21 posted on 11/10/2011 5:10:54 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Scotswife

This is really the crux of it. Along with the fact that there was enough evidence to indicate Sandusky was a potential problem. The University was not beholden to continue the man’s asso. with the University.

All of this stems from basic moral defect and arrogance. The University actually believed it was protecting the “institution” by covering up and/or turning a blind eye. Rather than being upfront and deal with Sandusky immediately it knew of his shower room assault it went into “protect the institution mode”. It did not give a fig for the assaulted boy—or future Sandusky assaulted boys. PSU is reaping the cost of that immorality. Like the “prevent defense” it mostly fails.

I’m a PSU alum, 1961-65. I’ve watched a University I was proud to have graduated from turn hard left. Even in the sciences. Penn State professors have been in the forefront of the bogus global warming campaign and have been caught cooking their science.

In the mid 70’s I returned to PSU for homecoming. I was a journalism major and visited the journalism school building. A man approached and asked what class I was in and what I did after graduation. I told him I had been in the US Army for 5 years after graduation. He said “f*** you” and walked away. I later found out the man was dean of the Journalism School. In the late 60’s students tried to set fire to the Wagner Bldg. This building was used by Army, Navy and Air Force ROTC programs.

Presently a student mob is rioting in downtown State College destroying private property. This is what Marxist mobs excell at. The students are “protesting” Paterno’s dismissal.

Two years ago I returned to PSU for my 45th reunion. While walking about canpas I came upon the Student Union building. On a bench outside was a blind (why are so many of them blind?) obviously Muslin man with a Koran in his lap. He was conversing with a group of students in a low voice. Couldn’t hear what he was saying, but I bet I can guess.

The Penn State Board of Trustees has an opportunity to fix Penn State. But it must go much deeper than Firing Paterno and PSU Pres. Spanier. I wonder what it will do.


22 posted on 11/10/2011 5:51:09 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: Free Vulcan
That was the only incident involving Paterno.

That we know of.
23 posted on 11/10/2011 6:00:51 AM PST by Shannon
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To: Shannon

Bob Parks put out on Facebook that there is one word missing from the Penn State story. “GAY”.


24 posted on 11/10/2011 6:13:23 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Shannon

Until it comes out everything else is speculation. I don’t play those liberal games. If there is more we’ll know it soon enough.


25 posted on 11/10/2011 6:42:47 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: MrEdd
The man was a pretty good football player when he was young

McQueary was recently the starting quarterback for PSU and had 30 years on Sandusky.

26 posted on 11/10/2011 6:46:00 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Free Vulcan

“Until it comes out everything else is speculation. I don’t play those liberal games. If there is more we’ll know it soon enough.”

People we know that knew Sandusky raped little boys.

President Spanier
AD Curley
VP Schultz
PSU Attorney Wendell Courtney
Second Mile Attorney Wendell Courtney
University Police (Detective Ronald Shreffler)
State College Police (Detective Ralph Ralston)
Department of Welfare (Investigator Jerry Lauro)
Child Services
County DA Gricar
County Prosecutors
Coach McQueary
Coach Paterno
Various elementary and high school officials
Second Mile officials
Joe Paterno’s staff including down to the janitors


27 posted on 11/10/2011 6:47:03 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Must listen.

http://audio.weei.com/a/48513317/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Thu, 10 Nov 2011

Our friend from Pittsburgh, Mark Madden, joins D&C to give his take on the Joe Paterno/Penn State scandal


28 posted on 11/10/2011 6:49:02 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Free Vulcan
This may be a ring and if we let the media bait us into a feeding-frenzy on Paterno the real players may get away.

Paterno's fault. If he had stood and and said and done the right thing but he did not. The gall of the old guy. The first thing he said to the media was "If these charges are true". Good God. He knows they are true. He has agreed to testify against them.

And his 'pep rally' last night. It was all about him. He was smiling, laughing talking about how great life was. He is in the spotlight because of who he is and how he acts. As I said last night, 'I don't think his mind works right anymore.'

29 posted on 11/10/2011 6:51:55 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: namvolunteer
I was in that situation, followed the company policy, reported that I was contacted by the accused and the incident was properly handled.

What would you have done if it had not been handled properly? Kept quiet to save your job?

30 posted on 11/10/2011 6:57:44 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: abb

Listening. I have seen (due to google) several articles written about the investigation during the investigation and have posted here wondering why no real coverage and everyone is all of sudden acting like this is breaking news. As I said, EVERY ONE knew. I probably should add the press and the board of trustees to my list.

People we know that knew Sandusky raped little boys.

President Spanier
AD Curley
VP Schultz
PSU Attorney Wendell Courtney
Second Mile Attorney Wendell Courtney
University Police (Detective Ronald Shreffler)
State College Police (Detective Ralph Ralston)
Department of Welfare (Investigator Jerry Lauro)
Child Services
County DA Gricar
County Prosecutors
Coach McQueary
Coach Paterno
Various elementary and high school officials
Second Mile officials
Joe Paterno’s staff including down to the janitors


31 posted on 11/10/2011 7:03:41 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: abb

Mark is talking but I beat him to the prediction that Spanier and Paterno would be gone ASAP. (Post Nov. 7). Mark is now saying that big things will come out about Second Mile. I have been posting for days that this was not football but was about a sex ring.


32 posted on 11/10/2011 7:08:54 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Absolutely stunning.


33 posted on 11/10/2011 7:10:26 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: TigerClaws

And a mere SEVEN YEARS later........

Whatever the lame excuse for not choosing to prosecute, or do much of anything AT ALL- ending up dead SEVEN YEARS LATER was probably not one of them.


34 posted on 11/10/2011 7:11:37 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: abb

Mark is saying Bradley’s career is finished. He was there for 31 years.

BTW, it was one of Mark’s articles that I had read from April of this year.


35 posted on 11/10/2011 7:13:20 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Wrong newby. You treat Paterno as if he has god-like powers. I think that’s fantasy. I doubt he even knew about most of what was going on. In fact nobody knew because 4 of the 8 victims were never witnessed by anyone, one was never reported, one was completely off campus, and one wasn’t witnessed but reported by the mother after the fact based on indirect evidence, and then dismissed by the police and DA.

You can gut Joe open and burn him at the altar in some kind of turd world scapegoating, but the bottom line is that whatever Joe did, his superiors, the DA, and the police were 10X worse. Yet you want to keep the Alinsky-like focus on JoePa for some kind of cathartic bloodfest. Keep doing that and the bigger fish you listed will get away.


36 posted on 11/10/2011 7:22:50 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: abb; Tribune7

So according to Mark, what we have here is a sex-ring supplying little boys to rich PSU donors. Sick that Joe would help cover that up.

One might say that it was too big for Joe to bring down but if it was that big Joe was the one person that could bring it down ... with one call to the governor.


37 posted on 11/10/2011 7:23:53 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Free Vulcan

The thing is Joe Pa should go down for what he has failed to do. As should the others as well. Excusing Paterno is the same as excusing the Catholic Hierarchy. What would you have done if you were in Paterno’s shoes? Would you have let the issue die with a single instance of reporting it? If not, why do you hold Paterno to a lesser standard than yourself? Just because he’s major college football’s winningest coach he gets exemption from acting like a human being?


38 posted on 11/10/2011 7:28:42 AM PST by old and tired
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To: NewinTexsas

Assuming the governor “didn’t know.” But explain these remarks from the governor a couple of days ago.

http://articles.mcall.com/2011-11-09/sports/mc-penn-state-joe-paterno-corbett-20111109_1_tom-corbett-sandusky-president-graham-spanier

Tom Corbett on Penn State mess
November 09, 2011|By John L. Micek, CALL HARRISBURG BUREAU

HARRISBURG — Gov. Tom Corbett on Wednesday said he was “personally disappointed in the lack of action” by university officials. “And I had to contain that for the last two years.”

Corbett, a former state attorney general, said his office first began investigating accusations against Sandusky in 2009, after receiving a referral from the Centre County District Attorney’s Office. Because of his investigatory role, he declined to comment on many of the specifics in the case.


39 posted on 11/10/2011 7:30:07 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: NewinTexsas
So according to Mark, what we have here is a sex-ring supplying little boys to rich PSU donors.

I wouldn't be surprised if Second Mile was that.

but if it was that big Joe was the one person that could bring it down ... with one call to the governor.

Of course, you are still not the slickest bit of oil in the salad.

40 posted on 11/10/2011 7:34:40 AM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: abb
But explain these remarks from the governor a couple of days ago. . . Gov. Tom Corbett on Wednesday said he was “personally disappointed in the lack of action” by university officials. “And I had to contain that for the last two years.”

He wanted to have a chance to get convictions.

41 posted on 11/10/2011 7:36:26 AM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
but if it was that big Joe was the one person that could bring it down ... with one call to the governor.

Of course, you are still not the slickest bit of oil in the salad.

You keep making it personal but don't refute my post.

42 posted on 11/10/2011 7:37:35 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: abb
Assuming the governor “didn’t know.” But explain these remarks from the governor a couple of days ago.

I was thinking that Joe should have called the governor YEARS ago. Tom Ridge was governor in 1998.

43 posted on 11/10/2011 7:40:14 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas; old and tired

JoePa is gone. There was no cover-up by Joe, Joe didn’t tell McQueary not to report it, there was that one incident and not a string where Joe stopped someone from reporting or squelched an investigation. Let’s call it one-time negligent inaction. We’ve set the punishment for his inaction by saying he should lose his job right now. Fine.

That only raises the bar for everyone else above him, because they engaged in willful obstruction, actual cover-up, and possibly worse. If Joe should lose his job they should go to jail. Where do you think I’m going to put my focus, on Joe or them?


44 posted on 11/10/2011 7:42:01 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Free Vulcan
You can gut Joe open and burn him at the altar in some kind of turd world scapegoating, but the bottom line is that whatever Joe did, his superiors, the DA, and the police were 10X worse. Yet you want to keep the Alinsky-like focus on JoePa for some kind of cathartic bloodfest. Keep doing that and the bigger fish you listed will get away.

It happened in Joe's locker room and Joe knew it. Joe thought it more important to go out and win on Saturday than to do the right thing and stop it.

45 posted on 11/10/2011 7:42:48 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Free Vulcan
Keep doing that and the bigger fish you listed will get away.

If you and others would quit defending Paterno with your pathetic lies about how he 'knew nothing' we could move on. Thank you.

46 posted on 11/10/2011 7:44:28 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Free Vulcan
JoePa is gone. There was no cover-up by Joe

Joe knew Sandusky was raping boys in Joe's locker room. What did Joe do? He covered it up ... FOR YEARS! Joe has the burden of knowing that every boy that was raped after 1998 by Sandusky and the other members of the sex-ring could have been saved from that ordeal if he had stood up like a man.

But, we saw him laughing and smiling last night enjoying the attention. The dude's mind don't work right.

47 posted on 11/10/2011 7:48:18 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
but if it was that big Joe was the one person that could bring it down ... with one call to the governor.

Paterno is a Republican. He does not have as much clout as you think he has. Just about every candidate he has endorsed in this state has lost. He could not even get his own kid elected to Congress.

When it came to politics, Spanier had a lot more influence and success than JoePa -- especially during the Rendell years.

When the global warming scandal happened Spanier had no problem at all squashing it. He had no problem getting rid of Joe Bastardi when Bastardi started expressing skepticism of AGW.

So, no. Paterno could not have made this go away with "one call to the governor."

In fact, in a head-to-head with Spanier on anything other than the football team, I think JoePa would have lost.

48 posted on 11/10/2011 7:49:26 AM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Free Vulcan
Wrong newby.

I am 65. How old are you?

49 posted on 11/10/2011 7:49:26 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Your hyperbole is crap newby. You can engage in the media bloodlust of the great JoePa coverup and conspiracy all you want, the grand jury report says otherwise. You talk about calling the Governor, the President, the UN, Jesus, and leading a contingent of Marines to destroy the place in some righteous crusade, but in the end it’s all bloviating, because you’re trying to leverage a heinous crime into some off-the-hinge mob frenzy.

I want justice. Real justice. Curley, Schultz, the DA, and the cops were the gatekeepers, the ones willfully enabling. Why won’t you focus on them.? It kind of bothers me.


50 posted on 11/10/2011 7:50:13 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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