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Fast and Furious Was Not Botched
Townhall.com ^ | November 10, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 11/10/2011 8:40:16 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 11/10/2011 8:40:18 AM PST by Kaslin
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Its obvious to me that the real purpose of this operation was to create a backlash against the Second Amendment. While this was going on, the Cabinet level perps were blaming present gun laws for the presence of these weapons south of the border.


2 posted on 11/10/2011 8:48:06 AM PST by chopperman
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Wonder why bay of pigs comes to mind.


3 posted on 11/10/2011 8:49:27 AM PST by Vaduz
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And don’t forget to note how they all say that IN UNISON - singing from the same propaganda songsheet written at some kind of leftist central base. Who sends those marching orders? How are they communicated?


4 posted on 11/10/2011 8:50:18 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Kaslin

Holder just acknowledged it was deliberate. Ill-advised, but deliberate.


5 posted on 11/10/2011 8:51:39 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Kaslin
The real purpose of F&F was to target lawful American gun owners and dealers.
Remember the mantra at the time, "90% of Mexican guns come from the US",
which turned out to be blatantly false, but it did not stop the MSM's from repeating it endlessly.

6 posted on 11/10/2011 8:58:37 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Kaslin
ATF Senior Special Agent Jose Wall, who is based in Tijuana, Mexico also verified Fast and Furious was intended from the beginning to provide guns to cartels.

What is missing is a logical reason to do it. Without tracking, it is difficult to believe the DoJ/ATF was interested in finding out who got which rifle.

No, it is far easier to believe this was done in exchange for bribes from the cartels to the political party controlling the Department of Justice.

Sorry, but that just makes more sense.

7 posted on 11/10/2011 9:05:53 AM PST by Rapscallion (OBAMA speak his name with loathing for what he has done to America!)
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To: Kaslin
The radical lefts Modus Operandi.....

Manufacture a crises
(arm the southern drug lords with American guns)

Wait for the people to cry out for relief
(Oh my God. People are getting killed. Something but be done about the guns!)

Blame an opponent
(evil American gun manufacturers and their friends in the NRA)

Come in with a "new way" (socialism/communism/gun control) because the "old way" (free market, Constitution, legal system) didn't work!

They always follow this same path.
(Unusually, the crises is created by the left wing trial lawyers. Driving up costs so things become unaffordable is a common left wing tactic - See Obomacare, and pharmaceuticals are next).

8 posted on 11/10/2011 9:08:12 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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Remember the mantra at the time, “90% of Mexican guns come from the US”,
which turned out to be blatantly false, but it did not stop the MSM’s from repeating it endlessly.

I can’t believe people ever believed that bull. When you
have the kind of money the drug lords have Yuri Orlov sends
you a case of booze and a hooker for Christmas every year!


9 posted on 11/10/2011 9:08:40 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Rapscallion
What is missing is a logical reason to do it.

See post #8.

Think back to everything the left has taken over.

School CRISES (kids aren't learning - teachers union)
Housing CRISES (the poor deserve a chance - Fanny/Freddy)
Bank CRISES (Housing loans for the poor!- Dodd/Frank)
Health Care CRISES ( What about the poor sick people? Emergency rooms must treat them all!)
Pharmaceutical CRISES ( Did you ever take this sugar pill? Call us! Trial Lawyers-R-us)

The list goes on and on....."Never waste a good crises (real, imaginary, or manufactured)."

No crises = no new social programs.
No new social programs = no socialism/communism progress.

10 posted on 11/10/2011 9:22:08 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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Is it possible that cartel money has corrupted US government employees and the political system?


11 posted on 11/10/2011 9:31:13 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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Is it possible that cartel money has corrupted US government employees and the political system?

Lobbyists for La Raza. This is not new.

12 posted on 11/10/2011 9:36:31 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Menehune56
Is it possible that cartel money has corrupted US government employees and the political system?

Is it possible that we have acknowledged the illegal alien problem since Reagan, have been fighting a war on terror for a decade, and leave our southern border wide open to this day?

13 posted on 11/10/2011 9:50:58 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: chopperman

I’ve been saying all along that nothing was botched. My only conclusion is that we have drug cartels using influence to buy the best weapons available, and a few million in bribes to get the DOJ / DHS / FBI to provide them a cover story. Do some good accounting of the bank accounts both domestic and foreign of carreer gubmint officials and you’ll find the motive.


14 posted on 11/10/2011 9:56:04 AM PST by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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How do we the people clean up the government corruption that has resulted in this country's coming collapse? Examples abound of the corruption that controls the US government (i.e., Fast and Furious) and it is clearly at the expense of the hard working law abiding people. Our system of government has for some time been nothing more than a huge money laundering machine for the politicians and the ruling elite. Clearly the electoral process is not the answer because anyone of integrity, moral character and who believes in our Constitutional Law eventually succumb to the barrage of venomous vicious attacks born by that ruling elite class. It goes without saying that government corruption that is allowed and accepted by the people on the premise “that's just how it is” obviously perpetuates more corruption. The only things one can count on from our corrupt government is to have your pockets emptied and your liberties systematically eliminated.
15 posted on 11/10/2011 9:56:34 AM PST by drypowder
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16 posted on 11/10/2011 10:07:08 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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It wasn't botched. It was a criminal operation done by a criminal regime that is guilty of cold blooded mass murder. Period.
17 posted on 11/10/2011 10:20:16 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Vaduz
What's taking place right now is almost an exact repeat of the Clinton's plans to stay in the WH in 1996.

The dems used the OJ Simpson trial in 95 to divided the races.

Following the trial Screwy Louie Farrakhan(SP?) had his Million Man March which he referred to as his Million Man Army.

Brian Ross began trying to stir up the racial pot in December 95 by dredging up the Rodney King case again.

The news media as a whole storied the racial pot by claiming black churches were being burned.

Bill Clinton stirred the racial pot even more when he jumped in with the phony storied of black Churches being burned.

BC had signed the assault weapons ban, but had given his buddies the Chinese a special waver that they could ship in somewhere around 100-150,000 SKS rifles. These rifles were so cheap you could buy one for under $50. An SKS with 205 rounds of ammo was around $65. An SKS in a wooden crate with 250 rounds of ammo, cleaning kit, sling, and IIRC an ammo belt was around $75.

While the Chinese were shipping in the SKS’s they were also smuggling in full auto weapons that were destined for the gangs in LA. The Chinese were going to make sure the Clinton's did not leave the WH in 1996.

They were ginning up civil unrest and arming up the gangs in 1996, and they are ginning up civil unrest and arming up the gangs now.

Anybody want to believe it's just a coincidence go right ahead and believe it.

Me, I'm not dumb enough to believe anything is a coincidence when the Clinton's are involved.

18 posted on 11/10/2011 10:37:02 AM PST by IMR 4350
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19 posted on 11/10/2011 10:39:56 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MestaMachine; Christian Engineer Mass
It wasn't botched. It was a criminal operation done by a criminal regime that is guilty of cold blooded mass murder. Period.

From the article: "There was no plan to trace these guns and no plan to inform the Mexican Government of the operation, either."

The GOP, and even conservatives, seem incapable of organizing even a truthful and legitimate talking point. It is despairing!

20 posted on 11/10/2011 10:49:23 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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