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Fast and Furious Was Not Botched
Townhall.com ^ | November 10, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 11/10/2011 8:40:16 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: blackdog; chopperman

Also...to destabilize Mexico.

They always aim to kill as many birds as possible with one stone...always.


21 posted on 11/10/2011 10:52:42 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Kaslin
Exactly, this was all planned and all part of helping the Sinaloa cartel which zero/holder and other criminals within the regime work closely with to smuggle drugs into the country.The game is the regime helps Sinaloa smuggle drugs into the country,gets intel on other cartels and campaign cash in return.
22 posted on 11/10/2011 10:57:45 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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OH yeah. I forgot this:

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2796575/posts


23 posted on 11/10/2011 11:01:05 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: BitWielder1

The 90% turned out to be 9% in actuality.


24 posted on 11/10/2011 11:01:54 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Joe Brower
It was only "botched" in the sense that they got caught before they could push through more gun control. Otherwise, it did exactly what they wanted it to do.

Now, when are we going to make them PAY for what they have done?

25 posted on 11/10/2011 11:19:16 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Kaslin

The idea was to arm criminal gangs as per Obama advisor Bernadine Dohrn. The stuff about it being a roundabout scheme to nullify the 2nd A. is just silly. These people want to let the criminals out of prison and let anarchy tear down America. They are fairly open about it. I heard Dohrn give a speech to college students.

The tactic was used in Rome. (circa 40 bc)


26 posted on 11/10/2011 11:29:35 AM PST by Poincare (Reality is not a fool.)
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To: Kaslin
“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated.” –Special Agent John Dodson ATF Phoenix Field Division.

Who mandated it? It's a simple question.

27 posted on 11/10/2011 12:24:25 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: thouworm

We’ve been saying it since day one. Now there are published pieces saying it. Next it goes to the media. We’ve seen this before.


28 posted on 11/10/2011 12:24:50 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: IMR 4350

Very nice analysis.


29 posted on 11/10/2011 12:31:42 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

“We’ve seen this before.”

sigh...This MO has moved statistically beyond the possibility of ignorance and incompetence (as we have always suspected). Complicit is the only reasonable motive.


30 posted on 11/10/2011 12:42:51 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: TigersEye
Thanks.

These people are psycho, and they repeat themselves.

They will do the same thing over and over and over again until it works.

Since Zippo has been in office people don't just want to own a gun, people now feel there is a need to own a gun,and that number is growing every day.

That's why the gun control theory doesn't work for me.

They couldn't get gun control before. Increasing the number of people that feel there is a need to own a gun makes it even less likely.

31 posted on 11/10/2011 1:23:46 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
...people now feel there is a need to own a gun,and that number is growing every day.

That's a fact. I know of some liberal types who not only wanted to get their first handgun ever they are very determined to get some serious defensive training to go with it. No one who really thinks it through seriously believes that there is a ghost of a chance of disarming 120 million gun owners either.

32 posted on 11/10/2011 1:53:23 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Menehune56

>Is it possible that cartel money has corrupted US government employees and the political system?

I think the better question is if it’s probable.


33 posted on 11/10/2011 5:11:25 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Menehune56

A better question might be is it possible that cartel money has not corrupted our officials?


34 posted on 11/10/2011 6:42:08 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Kaslin

And at the time there was an endless parade of media whores on TV talking about how Mexican Drug Cartels were getting guns because of our lax gun control laws.

THE MEDIA WAS IN ON IT


35 posted on 11/10/2011 6:44:27 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: chopperman

I believe that they hoped for a second purpose; to destabilize Mexico into a civil war which would drive millions across the border and help drive the push for amnesty.


36 posted on 11/10/2011 6:58:11 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: drypowder

Enemies, foreign and domestic.


37 posted on 11/10/2011 7:10:46 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: IMR 4350

Agree and it’s no coincidence when the Obama is involved.
Obama has split the country in two ways one by race and by wealth.
It’s going to get very dangerous the closer it gets to the election.


38 posted on 11/11/2011 8:59:28 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz
I'm expecting Zippo to be forced out and Hillary to be brought in as VP. She will be on the ticket in 2012.

If Zippo is forced out, there will be race riots in this country like we have never seen.

I also expect the “Lone Wolf Terrorist” to do exactly what the turd head Adam Gadan (or however the prick spells his name) described in his tape of a few months ago. Get guns and start shooting everyone in sight. DC snipers X 1000.

Between race riots and terrorist shooting everyone in sight, a lot of people will begin fleeing the cities.

If that happens, this country will pretty much come to a complete stop.

The next president will basically be a dictator.

39 posted on 11/11/2011 9:40:43 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Kaslin
In these situations, one piece of advice I've always heard is "follow the money".

I'm thinking that the beginnings of this farce began merely as a means for some to receive large payoffs, from something as "innocent" as political contributions from the leftists who want increased gun control, up to and including possibly more nefarious objectives such as direct monetary payoffs to certain individuals "to look the other way and allow it to happen" - which actually occurred as directed by high level officials in charge. But with the Brian Terry murder, it spun way out of control and into cover-up mode.

Don Winslow wrote an excellent book, supposedly fiction, that addressed how the vast amounts of money involved in the drug trade are used to corrupt otherwise incorruptable individuals. And if money doesn't work by itself, the threats that can be made to one's family or loved ones can often be used to coerce one into taking the money. It's hard to imagine, but the bribes and other payments that can be made represent only a rounding error on the cartels' financials, the money involved is so large.

That book is The Power of the Dog, and it's not for the squeamish. It is hard-hitting, graphic, and it provides a quite plausible scenario of what's been happening in U.S. / Mexican border towns of late - long after it was published.

40 posted on 11/11/2011 12:57:26 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (OBAMA!!'s name is all caps as sarcasm to indicate a lack of respect, as he does not deserve it)
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