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Muslims Against Crusades banned by Theresa May
BBC News ^ | 11th November 2011 | Dominic Casciani

Posted on 11/10/2011 11:55:10 AM PST by the scotsman

'The home secretary is banning Muslims Against Crusades (MAC), a group that planned an anti-Armistice Day protest.

It had wanted to repeat a demonstration held last year, when it burned poppies near London's Albert Hall.

Theresa May's order will make membership or support of MAC a criminal offence. It is closely linked to seven other previously-banned groups.

The organisation, now dissolved, said "the call for Islam will never be silenced by any ban or proscription".

Mrs May said she was satisfied that Muslims Against Crusades (MAC) was "simply another name for an organisation already proscribed under a number of names".

"The organisation was proscribed in 2006 for glorifying terrorism and we are clear it should not be able to continue these activities by simply changing its name," she said.

Muslims Against Crusades is the latest incarnation of an organisation originally set up by extremist preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed, who fled the UK six years ago.'

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anjem; anjemchoudary; banned; choudary; crushislam; edl; eurabia; islam; islamofascism; mac
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1 posted on 11/10/2011 11:55:12 AM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Excellent news!


2 posted on 11/10/2011 11:59:40 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81; bayouranger; Peter Libra; Gene Eric; DTogo; SWAMPSNIPER; wardaddy; Scanian; Argus; ...

HUGE EDL VICTORY PING!!


3 posted on 11/10/2011 12:01:20 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

bump!


4 posted on 11/10/2011 12:05:05 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: the scotsman
Muslims Against Crusades (MAC) was "simply another name for an organisation already proscribed under a number of names".
Kind of like ZOT-ing a re-tread in FR.
5 posted on 11/10/2011 12:06:30 PM PST by samtheman
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To: the scotsman

Always good to see a Western government stand up for Western civilization. Bravo!


6 posted on 11/10/2011 12:11:21 PM PST by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: the scotsman; buccaneer81

7 posted on 11/10/2011 12:11:38 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo

Pretty smart that they went for the cross over the swastika.


8 posted on 11/10/2011 12:13:30 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Your muzzie-loving isn’t wanted around these parts, Dhimmi.


9 posted on 11/10/2011 12:22:30 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: 1rudeboy
Pretty smart that they went for the cross over the swastika.

You must be confusing your history, the Muslim 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Hanschar during WWII had a sword on their shield.

Nice try.

10 posted on 11/10/2011 12:23:21 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: buccaneer81

Why don’t you post the political platform of your cult, ya’ Bolshevik.


11 posted on 11/10/2011 12:23:27 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: DTogo

Oh, I love it when FReepers fawn over a politial party that they are ignorant of, and cite to WW2 history to explain themselves.


12 posted on 11/10/2011 12:24:45 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Why don't you, the self-proclaimed soccer hooligan expert, regale us with your tales of South American and Central American hijinks?

No, all you cry about are those awful, white Europeans and their "hate." Why is that, senor?

Why don't you wear a poppy and act like a civilized member of Western society?

13 posted on 11/10/2011 12:27:56 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Ok, so you can’t. I’m not worried about it. Ignorance is bliss, for some folks.


14 posted on 11/10/2011 12:29:34 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Ignorance is bliss, for some folks.

We've seen that with your fawning over Mexicans and Muzzies.

15 posted on 11/10/2011 12:31:21 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Are you angry? LOL


16 posted on 11/10/2011 12:35:10 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
If you disagree with this, you're a leftist anti-Western Muzzie lover:

(1) HUMAN RIGHTS: Protecting And Promoting Human Rights

The English Defence League (EDL) is a human rights organisation that was founded in the wake of the shocking actions of a small group of Muslim extremists who, at a homecoming parade in Luton, openly mocked the sacrifices of our service personnel without any fear of censure. Although these actions were certainly those of a minority, we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities.

Whilst we must always protect against the unjust assumption that all Muslims are complicit in or somehow responsible for these crimes, we must not be afraid to speak freely about these issues. This is why the EDL will continue to work to protect the inalienable rights of all people to protest against radical Islam’s encroachment into the lives of non-Muslims.

We also recognise that Muslims themselves are frequently the main victims of some Islamic traditions and practices. The Government should protect the individual human rights of members of British Muslims. It should ensure that they can openly criticise Islamic orthodoxy, challenge Islamic leaders without fear of retribution, receive full equality before the law (including equal rights for Muslim women), and leave Islam if they see fit, without fear of censure.

British Muslims should be able to safely demand reform of their religion, in order to make it more relevant to the needs of the modern world and more respectful of other groups in society. It is important that they completely reject the views of those who believe that Islam should be taken in its ‘original’, 7th century form, because these interpretations are the antithesis of Western democracy. The onus should be on British Muslims to overcome the problems that blight their religion and achieve nothing short of an Islamic reformation. In line with this, we should do all that we can to empower those who are willing to take this path. We must also ensure that they do not fear reprisals from those who, in line with these 7th century interpretations, would force sharia law upon them.

The EDL calls upon the Government to repeal legislation that prevents effective freedom of speech, for freedom of speech is essential if the human rights abuses that sometimes manifest themselves around Islam are to be stopped.

We believe that the proponents of radical Islam have a stranglehold on British Muslims. These radicals dominate Muslim organisations, remain key figures in British mosques, and are steadily increasing their influence. Radical Islam keeps British Muslims fearful and isolated, especially the women that it encases in the Burqa. It misrepresents their views, stifles freedom of expression, and indoctrinates their children, whilst continually doing a discredit to those who do wish to peacefully co-exist with their fellow Britons.

(2) DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW: Promoting Democracy And The Rule Of Law By Opposing Sharia

The European Court of Human Rights has declared that ‘sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy’. Despite this, there are still those who are more than willing to accommodate sharia norms, and who believe that sharia can operate in partnership with our existing traditions and customs. In reality, sharia cannot operate fully as anything other than a complete alternative to our existing legal, political, and social systems. It is a revolution that this country does not want, and one that it must resist. Sharia is most definitely a threat to our democracy.

The operation of Islamic courts, the often unreasonable demand that Islam is given more respect than it is due, and the stealthy incursion of halal meat into the food industry, all demonstrate that sharia is already creeping into our lives. Resentment is already beginning to grow, and could create dangerous divisions if nothing is done. The primacy of British courts must be maintained and defended, fair criticism of religious and political ideologies must be permitted, and consumers must be provided with the information necessary to avoid halal produce should they wish.

Restaurants and fast food chains that do offer halal options should offer non-halal alternatives as well, in order to show respect for other people’s religions, customs, and possible concerns about animal welfare issues (surrounding ritual slaughter). No one should be made to consume halal produce unwittingly, so it must always be labeled – in supermarkets, in restaurants, in schools, and in hospitals – wherever it is available. Free choice in these matters is, after all, a fundamental human right for everybody, not just the Muslim community.

Sharia law makes a fundamental distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims, and the EDL will never allow this sort of iniquitous apartheid to take root in our country. The EDL will therefore oppose sharia appeasement in all its forms, and will actively work to eradicate the sharia-compliant behaviours that are already being adopted, and enforced, in our society.

(3) PUBLIC EDUCATION: Ensuring That The Public Get A Balanced Picture Of Islam

A central part of the EDL’s mission is public education. The British political and media establishment have, for a long time, been presenting a very sanitised and therefore inaccurate view of Islam, shaped by the needs of policy-makers rather than the needs of the public. This has acted as a barrier to informed policy-making and made finding the solution to real problems impossible. In pursuing this self-defeating and destructive policy, the Government has effectively been acting as the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. Whether or not is aware of the predicament that it has put itself in, it has so far failed to honestly admit its failures.

We are committed to a campaign of public education to ensure that all aspects of Islam that impact on our society can debated in an open and honest way. Demonisation of Muslims, or of Islam’s critics, adds nothing to the debate. We believe that only by looking at all the facts can society be most effectively and humanly governed. If there are aspects of Muslim tradition that encourage the activities of Islamic radicals and criminals then these need to be properly addressed without fear of accusations of racism, xenophobia, or the even the disingenuous term ‘Islamophobia’.

The public must be provided with a more realistic and less sanitised view of Islam that allows it to ensure that decision-makers are held to account for their policy-making choices, choices that affect the harmony and security of the nation.

The EDL promotes the understanding of Islam and the implications for non-Muslims forced to live alongside it. Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to dominate all non-believers and impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights. It runs counter to all that we hold dear within our British liberal democracy, and it must be prepared to change, to conform to secular, liberal ideals and laws, and to contribute to social harmony, rather than causing divisions.

(4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer

The EDL believes that English Culture has the right to exist and prosper in England. We recognise that culture is not static, that over time changes take place naturally, and that other cultures make contributions that make our shared culture stronger and more vibrant. However, this does not give license to policy-makers to deliberately undermine our culture and impose non-English cultures on the English people in their own land.

If people migrate to this country then they should be expected to respect our culture, its laws, and its traditions, and not expect their own cultures to be promoted by agencies of the state. The best of their cultures will be absorbed naturally and we will all be united by the enhanced culture that results. The onus should always be on foreign cultures to adapt and integrate. If said cultures promote anti-democratic ideas and refuse to accept the authority of our nation’s laws, then the host nation should not be bowing to these ideas in the name of ’cultural sensitivity’. Law enforcement personnel must be able to enforce the rule of law thoroughly without prejudice or fear. Everyone, after all, is supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law.

The EDL is therefore keen to draw its support from people of all races, all faiths, all political persuasions, and all lifestyle choices. Under its umbrella, all people in England, whatever their background, or origin, can stand united in a desire to stop the imposition of the rules of Islam on non-believers. In order to ensure the continuity of our culture and its institutions, the EDL stands opposed to the creeping Islamisation of our country, because intimately related to the spread of Islamic religion is the political desire to implement an undemocratic alternative to our cherished way of life: the sharia.

Our armed forces stand up and risk their lives every day in order to protect our culture and democratic way of life. They are also reflective of England’s diversity, and are a shining example of what a people can achieve when united together. The EDL is therefore committed to opposing any and all abuse that our men and women in uniform are subjected to, and will campaign for legal remedies to ensure that those working within these important institutions are not exposed to abuse or aggression from within our country.

(5) INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK: Working In Solidarity With Others Around The World

The EDL is keen to join with others who share our values, wherever they are in the world, and from whatever cultural background they derive. We believe that the demand for sharia is global and therefore needs to be tackled at a global as well as national level, so that this demand will never be succumbed to. The EDL will therefore have an international outlook to enhance and strengthen our domestic efforts, whilst at the same time contributing to the global struggle against Islamic intolerance of Western cultures, customs, religions, politics, and laws. The time for tolerating intolerance has come to an end: it is time for the whole world to unite against a truly Global Jihad.

17 posted on 11/10/2011 12:38:31 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: 1rudeboy
EDL's Mission Statement.

What's not to like?

Or do you prefer the EDL's pro-Union/Socialism/Multiculturalism opposition group UAF?

Its chairman is the former Labour Party mayor of London, Ken Livingstone and its joint secretaries are Weyman Bennett of the Socialist Workers Party and the Anti-Nazi League, and Sabby Dhalu, formerly of the National Assembly Against Racism (NAAR).

18 posted on 11/10/2011 12:38:54 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: 1rudeboy

That a slime like you holds US citizenship is something worthy of anger.


19 posted on 11/10/2011 12:39:59 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Well, you know how to find their website, that’s a plus. How does the EDL feel about, um, capitalism?


20 posted on 11/10/2011 12:40:06 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

This is a strange group, the EDL, your inference on Nazism with the swastika seems weird since these guys support Israel. Don’t know much about them other than what Wikipedia has on them, however, Wikipedia as not always known as the pantheon of accuracy.


21 posted on 11/10/2011 12:41:09 PM PST by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: buccaneer81

Now, I’m angry at myself, a U.S. citizen? You are tickling me!


22 posted on 11/10/2011 12:41:29 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Pretty smart you pretending Muslims didn’t support Hitler and still do. And by “pretty smart” I mean butt-stink stupid.


23 posted on 11/10/2011 12:42:18 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: montyspython

If you asked a spokesman at CAIR, he would claim it supports Israel also.


24 posted on 11/10/2011 12:43:08 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Deb

Come forward out of the 1940’s. The water is still warm 70+ years later.


25 posted on 11/10/2011 12:44:17 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Tell it to Daniel Pearl.


26 posted on 11/10/2011 12:47:02 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: 1rudeboy

hooligans + politics + alcohol = Green Bay Packer Fans...

Wait, wrong football...


27 posted on 11/10/2011 12:47:07 PM PST by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: 1rudeboy
How does the EDL feel about, um, capitalism?

What a tool! Every socialist site in England opposes the EDL. Why is that, Rudescum?

Your idea of capitalism is shared with your Zeta cartel brothers. They cut off heads, too. Wonder where they got the inspiration for that?

28 posted on 11/10/2011 12:47:28 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: montyspython

Apart from the property damage, larceny, and assault & battery, I love hooligans.


29 posted on 11/10/2011 12:50:37 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: buccaneer81

Let’s try to map out your failure in logic, champ. Other socialists oppose the EDL, therefore the EDL is a champion of free-market capitalism?


30 posted on 11/10/2011 12:52:29 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
If you asked a spokesman at CAIR, he would claim it supports Israel also.

Find a link to that.

31 posted on 11/10/2011 12:52:38 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: 1rudeboy

Show me your evidence to the contrary. You’re the one making the assertion.


32 posted on 11/10/2011 12:53:45 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: 1rudeboy

You forgot to mention public intoxication.


33 posted on 11/10/2011 12:55:20 PM PST by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: buccaneer81
My assertion is that you are ignorant of the EDL's economic leanings, and you and I damn well know that you are past the point of convincing otherwise. Because you are ignorant.

I can't help you, so I won't.

34 posted on 11/10/2011 12:55:33 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Thank you for proving what a sleazy liar you are.


35 posted on 11/10/2011 12:56:33 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Piss off. Go cry to your brothers at the EDL. Maybe you can find someone man enough.


36 posted on 11/10/2011 12:58:10 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Tell that to the goat-herders in the middle east today. Better yet, find one who even believes the mass murder of Jews ever occurred. Ask Saddam Hussein. Scratch that. Read his quotes on the subject. There's always the abundant blatherings of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, your local Hamas or PLO member or any imam on the planet.

They pretty much all agree Hitler was a slacker and could have done better...if he had done anything wrong in the first place, which they see no evidence of and don't show them any doctored photos of Jewish mass graves, concentration camps or body piles. they're onto that trick.

37 posted on 11/10/2011 12:58:21 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: montyspython

[ This is a strange group, the EDL, your inference on Nazism with the swastika seems weird since these guys support Israel. Don’t know much about them other than what Wikipedia has on them, however, Wikipedia as not always known as the pantheon of accuracy. ]

Plus they probably don’t know that the EDL has been growing membership recently in the Hindu and Sikh communities in Great Britain as well as other minority groups that have been oppressed by the ROPers.


38 posted on 11/10/2011 12:58:29 PM PST by GraceG
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To: 1rudeboy

Why don’t you come out and tell us why you support Islam? Be a man for the first time in your life and take a stand.


39 posted on 11/10/2011 12:59:35 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: the scotsman

Real cool website/organization has this aticle

http://www.thearma.org/essays/Crusades.htm

Very long but very interesting. Check out the entire website, it is on European classical weapons and armor.


40 posted on 11/10/2011 1:05:13 PM PST by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: Deb

You are not entirely focused today, Deb. My observation that the EDL are a bunch of socialists has nothing to do with politics in the Middle East.


41 posted on 11/10/2011 1:05:40 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: buccaneer81

As they say in Parlaiment;

HEAR! HEAR!


42 posted on 11/10/2011 1:10:05 PM PST by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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To: DTogo

No, just no.


43 posted on 11/10/2011 1:12:40 PM PST by the scotsman (I)
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To: buccaneer81

As I am sure you are aware, I and the other British/Irish freepers (mitch86, vanders9, IrishConservative etc) all dislike or detest the EDL and have explained numerous times exactly why.


44 posted on 11/10/2011 1:14:39 PM PST by the scotsman (I)
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To: 1rudeboy

Your hatred of the EDL has nothing to do with competing economic ideologies. You support Islam. Man up (if possible) and admit it.


45 posted on 11/10/2011 1:14:45 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Most people and parties, including conservative and conservative-nationalists, oppose the EDL. They are disliked and distrusted across the political and social spectrum.


46 posted on 11/10/2011 1:16:51 PM PST by the scotsman (I)
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To: buccaneer81
Your hatred of the EDL me has nothing to do with competing economic ideologies. You support Islam buggery. Man up (if possible) and admit it.
47 posted on 11/10/2011 1:18:02 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: the scotsman
We can't help it that you people have resigned yourselves to the pitiful transformation of your once-great nation into a land where your children will be second-class citizens.

Most of your countrymen know little of freedom; you let the government take over your health care and you let them take your handguns.

48 posted on 11/10/2011 1:18:34 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: the scotsman
They are disliked and distrusted across the political and social spectrum.

So is the Tea Party here.

You're just proving my point.

49 posted on 11/10/2011 1:21:43 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

The Tea Party is disliked and distrusted across the political and social spectrum? Wow, I learn new stuff on FR every day.


50 posted on 11/10/2011 1:23:22 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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