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Riots show danger of deifying a coach
Fox Sports.com ^ | Nov. 10, 2011 | Dan Wolken

Posted on 11/10/2011 1:12:59 PM PST by Colofornian

We forget sometimes how insular the world of a college campus can be, how the social and ethical culture of the place often has little relationship to what goes on outside those gates.

...Penn State’s board of trustees should be applauded for making this move now and not at the end of the season...

...it was clear from the bizarre tone of the news conference with board of trustees vice chairman John Surma and the ensuing mayhem on campus that the provincial Penn State community doesn’t understand why Paterno had to go.

...this is what happens when football defines a place the way it defines State College, Pa. In a larger sense, this is what happens when you attach the billion-dollar enterprise of amateur athletics to institutions of higher learning. At Penn State, football overwhelmed the culture of everything it bumped up against and might have enabled the alleged abuse of children to continue for nearly a decade. Wednesday night, it led to thousands of students marching the streets in protest, going so far as to flip over a satellite television truck. These images were broadcast live and sent around the world, the portrait of a campus in chaos and disgrace.

It’s enough to spark a legitimate debate about whether Penn State should even play a football game on its campus Saturday. The atmosphere might just be too emotionally charged to guarantee that 100,000-plus fans can safely attend and the teams can play without incident. School officials need to give careful consideration to all possibilities before making that call.

...the Penn State community is too shortsighted to see it would’ve been far worse to show up for the Nebraska game with Paterno as head coach and pretend like everything was all right...

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.foxsports.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: deify; paterno; pennstate; riots
From the article: ...this is what happens when football defines a place the way it defines State College, Pa. In a larger sense, this is what happens when you attach the billion-dollar enterprise of amateur athletics to institutions of higher learning. At Penn State, football overwhelmed the culture of everything it bumped up against and might have enabled the alleged abuse of children to continue for nearly a decade.

From the article: Wednesday night, it led to thousands of students marching the streets in protest, going so far as to flip over a satellite television truck. These images were broadcast live and sent around the world, the portrait of a campus in chaos and disgrace. It’s enough to spark a legitimate debate about whether Penn State should even play a football game on its campus Saturday. The atmosphere might just be too emotionally charged to guarantee that 100,000-plus fans can safely attend and the teams can play without incident. School officials need to give careful consideration to all possibilities before making that call.

AP reports: Neb regent fears for player, fan safety at PSU

1 posted on 11/10/2011 1:13:02 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
"The atmosphere might just be too emotionally charged to guarantee that 100,000-plus fans can safely attend and the teams can play without incident."

The game needs to be called OFF.
If it is not called there will be one hell of a riot. I hope I am wrong. The students at PS seem to be in the mood for total disruption.

2 posted on 11/10/2011 1:20:09 PM PST by DeaconRed (My Hat Don't Hang on the same Nail to Long. I am a CAT adjuster.)
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To: Colofornian

Can Penn State now properly address Michael Mann’s transgressions against Society and Science?


3 posted on 11/10/2011 1:21:25 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Colofornian

I can’t wait for the PSU game this week and the opposing team starts chanting...

We Are...Pedo Philes

We Are...Pedo Philes

Mocking them.


4 posted on 11/10/2011 1:22:23 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Voter#537

Give them a surprise test in all of their subjects at 12 noon.


5 posted on 11/10/2011 1:23:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Lazlo in PA

6 posted on 11/10/2011 1:24:04 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Colofornian

Or a politican

Or a “civil rights leader”


7 posted on 11/10/2011 1:25:02 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (There's nothing more hypocritical than a white liberal calling someone else a "bigot")
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To: Colofornian
Kids love to riot, but you have to be really dopey to riot in favor of child molestation.

Riot because your team wins something or your team losses something or it snows or there's a Who concert or a soccer game or a cheating scandal or for any normal reason.

Don't riot in favor of child molestation. It reflects poorly on you and your parents.

8 posted on 11/10/2011 1:25:05 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Colofornian

I’ve been thinking for a while that sports have eclipsed the intent of higher education in many of our colleges and universities. My family would disown me for that sentiment, but that’s how I feel.

These kids are rioting because they have been raised to trust certain authority figures, and unquestioningly follow the lead of these authorities. They are now, totally disillusioned. I hope that a lot of these kids go home a begin questioning a lot of things that they have trusted to be true and start thinking for themselves.


9 posted on 11/10/2011 1:25:56 PM PST by Eva
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To: Lazlo in PA

Homo Pervs. Not pedophiles. That is an insult to peophiles to call the Homo Pervs by the same name.


10 posted on 11/10/2011 1:27:07 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: Colofornian

I lived in a college town with a winning team for a few years. I think half of the parents there would have given their children personally to the coach for whatever he wanted to do with them.

The fanatical devotion was just something I never managed to understand.


11 posted on 11/10/2011 1:27:28 PM PST by livius
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To: Colofornian

I wouldn’t necessarily blame the football culture. What if it was at Harvard and the one committing the acts was a nobel prize researcher that brings in $Millions per year in grants?


12 posted on 11/10/2011 1:28:39 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: A_Former_Democrat

...or ANY form of ‘hero worship’...


13 posted on 11/10/2011 1:29:37 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: TigerClaws

Ouch!

But appropriate.


14 posted on 11/10/2011 1:32:45 PM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Colofornian

“E.J. remembers the kickball games his father organized in the backyard. “Dad would get every single kid involved,” says E.J. “We had the largest kickball games in the United States, kickball games with 40 kids.”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1017979/2/index.htm


15 posted on 11/10/2011 1:34:42 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Colofornian; dead
I just looked up the Pennsylvania requirements for mandatory reporting of suspected child abuse. Reporting to child welfare authorities is mandatory for school teachers and administrators. JoePa broke the law, contrary to all those reports about how he supposedly followed the “letter” of the law. It's a misdemeanor, but he still broke the law.
16 posted on 11/10/2011 1:34:42 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Colofornian
Has your new hobby gone from vilifying Mormons to vilifying Joe Paterno? For the record, I believe that Joe Paterno is a Roman Catholic.

Joe Pa was turned into a fall guy because Graham Spanier needed company to take the heat off his politically correct effeminate ass. That's all.

If interested, you can read my supporting evidence for this opinion here.

17 posted on 11/10/2011 1:36:02 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Colofornian
Has your new hobby gone from vilifying Mormons to vilifying Joe Paterno? For the record, I believe that Joe Paterno is a Roman Catholic.

Joe Pa was turned into a fall guy because Graham Spanier needed company to take the heat off his politically correct effeminate ass. That's all.

If interested, you can read my supporting evidence for this opinion here.

18 posted on 11/10/2011 1:36:02 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Pedo Philes is closer to the “We Are...Penn State” chant sound wise. That is why I went with that.


19 posted on 11/10/2011 1:38:35 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: dead

I really doubt that the students were protesting in favor of homosexual (the word the media refuses to use) child abuse. From what I’ve gathered today (whether right or wrong), the students feel like the Coach was unjustly blamed for some terrible alleged actions.

I still don’t know all the facts and suspect there is more to come in the weeks ahead. But, the very reaction of the students is reflecting the extremely poor manner in which the Board of Trustees handled the matter.

The game on Saturday? This Board is continuing to set a bad example on priorities, aside from asking for trouble.


20 posted on 11/10/2011 1:40:09 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Colofornian

located this e mail

Sandusky@momlistens.com


21 posted on 11/10/2011 1:44:50 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Colofornian

Maybe they’re just rioting because it’s become the “in thing to do”.


22 posted on 11/10/2011 1:47:23 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: Colofornian

If I was that coach, I would release a statement demanding that the game be canceled. I love college football, but I hate riots more.

Now, that being said: You want to see a riot that will make an OWS noob salivate — cancel that game on Friday afternoon.


23 posted on 11/10/2011 1:47:56 PM PST by Noamie
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To: Noamie

There is speculation that if the game goes on, Paterno supporters in the stands will organize a mass exodus from the stadium in protest during the game.


24 posted on 11/10/2011 1:50:55 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Rational Thought
But, the very reaction of the students is reflecting the extremely poor manner in which the Board of Trustees handled the matter.

Absolutely not.

The Board of Trustees did what they had to do.

The reaction of the students reflects extremely poorly on the students, their parents, and the school's admission policies.

25 posted on 11/10/2011 1:51:51 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: colorado tanker

Are you sure that applies to universities? Sometimes those laws only cover K-12.


26 posted on 11/10/2011 1:52:56 PM PST by conservativebuckeye
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To: Colofornian

Imagine the riots you’ll get when you deify a President!


27 posted on 11/10/2011 1:54:55 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Colofornian

I must have missed the memo but I’ve never heard of any if these people.

But that’s just me. If the newspaper showed up in the morning missing sports section I’d never notice it was not there....


28 posted on 11/10/2011 1:56:26 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Rational Thought

It’s appropriate that Rational Thought would make the most rational post on this thread. That’s exactly what’s going on. They feel JoePa has been thrown under the proverbial bus and they have a point. From what I understand, the assistant who reported the incident to him didn’t get that specific. The thing I find troubling is that the assistant who witnessed the rape and did nothing more than report it to Paterno still on the staff.


29 posted on 11/10/2011 1:56:40 PM PST by conservativebuckeye
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To: livius

And college towns tend to be VERY insular. I once lived in a small college town in a rather remote place. The entire town depended on the college for their financial livelihood. So a complete symbiotic relationship developed between the college administration and the city fathers, along with the police dept., etc.

They had a student there who was the daughter of a very famous, prominent American. She got busted as part of a major drug ring. It was all handled very quietly, with no charges pressed, and was kept out of the press. You only heard about it word-of-mouth from local contacts. The police and prosecutor were totally in the bag to protect the college.

That was, of course, in the pre-internet days.


30 posted on 11/10/2011 1:58:37 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Colofornian

Deification????............come to Bama. You ain’t seen nuthin...and the man’s been gone for 30 years....


31 posted on 11/10/2011 2:05:59 PM PST by del4hope (Elections??? Communists do not surrender power, they crush their opposition, or at least try to.)
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To: dead
A better manner of handling the news?

I don't believe Paterno approved of the protest.

Had the Board thought this through, they could have notified the coach of their decision and allowed him to issue a brief live statement explaining that the decision was for the good of the school. Hearing such a statement from the coach himself would have had a calming effect on the student body.

Related via Twitter;

@DanRiehl

DanRiehl RT @chrismayphilly:

PSU Board of Trustees asks that assistant coach Mike McQueary NOT be allowed on the field Saturday.

#PSUcharges

32 posted on 11/10/2011 2:13:29 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Colofornian

Happily, our grandson chose not to attend Perv State, even though the scholarship offered was very generous. It would be a shame to have one’s education disrupted by this mindless chaos.


33 posted on 11/10/2011 2:15:20 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: Colofornian

A bit of a protest years ago against Sandusky by those who knew, could have ballooned up into something else. Bye bye Sandusky. Now that would have took guts. Sandusky, no matter how protected he was, could have run, but he coulld not hide.


34 posted on 11/10/2011 2:23:36 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Colofornian

What it shows is that as a nation we need to grow up and set aside games in favor of fixing our problems.


35 posted on 11/10/2011 2:36:44 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Voter#537

Paterno was only there as a figurehead. He did no coaching and hasn’t done so for a while.

The guy is 89 years old. I’m not even sure he even knows he is a coach.

Paterno reported the underage rape to the college higher ups, and they did nothing. If anything, the students should go after the college administration for letting this all be swept under the carpet for years, not Paterno.

As far as his retirement, at least they retired him before he died. If not for this incident, I’m pretty sure they would have continued to consider him as their ‘coach’, even though he was six feet under.


36 posted on 11/10/2011 2:47:59 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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37 posted on 11/10/2011 2:51:30 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: dead
The Board of Trustees did what they had to do. The reaction of the students reflects extremely poorly on the students, their parents, and the school's admission policies.

OH MY. You mean that college students are easily swayed into mindless pursuit of lost or covert causes? That they can be easily fooled and take action based on emotion, and not logic?

oh my.

38 posted on 11/10/2011 2:53:02 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
You only heard about it word-of-mouth from local contacts. The police and prosecutor were totally in the bag to protect the college.

It was no different 500 or 2000 years ago.

39 posted on 11/10/2011 2:56:54 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: conservativebuckeye
In PA, the law requires "school teachers" and "school administrators" to report but doesn't restrict those terms to K-12. The Attorney General seems to construe the law to apply to colleges because Curley and Schultz were indicted for failure to report under the child protective services law in addition to perjury.
40 posted on 11/10/2011 3:05:38 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Mass exodus @ Sat.’s game by PSU GAY student population????


41 posted on 11/10/2011 3:13:33 PM PST by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: mason-dixon

Seriously, I have big concerns about Saturday’s game. Nebraska has very loyal fans and they typically travel quite a few. That’s going to be a very flammable environment. Hopefully they will have the stadium blanketed with police and have the field secured.


42 posted on 11/10/2011 3:25:23 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That’s true, a college town depends on the college, and this does make for a very strange environment.

Post-internet, as you say, this is a little harder to get away with.


43 posted on 11/10/2011 3:31:41 PM PST by livius
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To: Lazlo in PA

“We Are...Perv State”


44 posted on 11/10/2011 4:33:30 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: del4hope
Roll Tide, Roll!

~45 yr ago.

45 posted on 11/10/2011 4:56:49 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

2011 minus 1983 is 28 years. Am I missing something?


46 posted on 11/10/2011 9:27:08 PM PST by del4hope (Elections??? Communists do not surrender power, they crush their opposition, or at least try to.)
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To: Colofornian
Pride goes before destruction,
And a haughty spirit before a fall.

Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly,
Than to divide the spoil with the proud.

47 posted on 11/10/2011 9:48:11 PM PST by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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