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Herman Cain unwittingly takes lie detector test and passes...
The Daily Mail ^ | 11/11/11 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 11/11/2011 3:33:11 AM PST by Scanian

Herman Cain may not have to take a lie detector test because, as one investigator claims, he already did - and passed with flying colours. The sexual harassment scandal has shaken Cain’s campaign but has showed few signs of derailing it, as he spoke at Wednesday night's Republican debate to loud applause. In the face of the accusations, Cain said earlier this week that he was willing to take a lie detector test, but only 'if I have to.'

Enter TJ Ward, a private investigator who claims to have a fool-proof method of separating the honest from the liars.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bialek; software; voicestress
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1 posted on 11/11/2011 3:33:13 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian
His software, which he says is 95 per cent accurate, is used by 70 law enforcement agencies across America.

I wonder what his software says about his own accuracy claims.

2 posted on 11/11/2011 3:42:09 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Scanian
If the guy would have said...

"According to my program, Cain is lying." is there any doubt that all the Cain supporters here would say...

"These programs are a bunch of baloney. You can't tell if someone is lying or not by their voice"?

He claims the program is "95% accurate". How could you possibly measure that?

3 posted on 11/11/2011 3:44:18 AM PST by sklar
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To: edpc

“I wonder what his software says about his own accuracy claims.”

That he is telling the truth...this is not new technology...it has been around for a few years.


4 posted on 11/11/2011 3:44:35 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Scanian

I think there are 70 law-enforement groups in my state.

Lie-detector tests are inadmissible for a reason.

I’d be concerned if this were about anything more than “He looked at me funny, Mommmmm!”


5 posted on 11/11/2011 3:48:55 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Wpin

Problem is, the source material for Cain and the accuser is at the very least, second generation. I wouldn’t trust an analysis unless the person were present with the device. Even then, I’m still skeptical of the accuracy claim. How is it quantified?


6 posted on 11/11/2011 3:53:08 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Scanian

these audio lie detector tests are way more accurate than most people understand and the technology is used covertly all the time, a lot of people don’t want it advertised that they have these tools and use them quite frequently.

Like when you go to apply for a job, the person there could be reading an analysis of your voice and they will go with what the machine says.

This isn’t CSI special effects, this is real. If they have an investigator with a device and its been analyzed then I believe it 100%.


7 posted on 11/11/2011 3:54:44 AM PST by Eye of Unk (E-Cat is the future, unless we want to live in the past.)
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To: Eye of Unk

I always loved watching the TV show, “Lie to Me.”


8 posted on 11/11/2011 4:00:55 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: edpc
T.J. Ward is a leading national private investigator from Atlanta. He was probably contacted by Lin Wood.

Those who followed the Natalee Holloway case may remember that T.J. Ward was retained by Natalee's mother.

The software used is called Layered Voice Analysis. It is used by law enforcement around the world. Here's a link to a youtube video demonstration of LVA...LINK

9 posted on 11/11/2011 4:02:46 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Herman!)
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To: Eye of Unk

Some of the “detector detractors” on this thread would have been equally skeptical of fingerprints and ballistics 100+ years ago.

Give the new technology a chance. It is not going to be used in a court of law-—at least in Herman’s case.


10 posted on 11/11/2011 4:03:47 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Wpin
Here's a link to the home site for the company that created and sells the LVA software...voiceanalysistech.com.

Pretty interesting stuff.

11 posted on 11/11/2011 4:08:05 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Herman!)
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To: Scanian

Still a lot of people are unaware to what degree just their voice is saying about them, I have even heard of a program where an LEO can on the spot use a voice analysis say if you are pulled over and being questioned.

Or say you are in a loan office, that they can make a decision based on how you answer questions.

There isn’t much of a defense unless you are mute. Or you have a dedicated spokesperson.


12 posted on 11/11/2011 4:10:06 AM PST by Eye of Unk (E-Cat is the future, unless we want to live in the past.)
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To: edpc

I believe this is the technology the Israelis use when they question people at the airport.

I read that somwhere.


13 posted on 11/11/2011 4:15:26 AM PST by dforest
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To: sklar

It’s really a meeter of chossing which machine to beleive: the lie detector or the left wing media machine. Seems like an easy choice to me.


14 posted on 11/11/2011 4:15:37 AM PST by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: RoosterRedux
LMAO!!!

I watched the very YouTube link you provided and they gave an example of how great this device works... the device determined that Gerry McCann, the father of disappeared child Madeleine McCann was LYING HIS ASS OFF!!!

Both McCann parents were EXONERATED of all wrongdoing!

per WIKI: The McCanns were cleared of any involvement in the disappearance, on 21 July, and their arguido status was lifted "due to lack of evidence that any crime was committed by the persons placed under formal investigation"

Too funny!

15 posted on 11/11/2011 4:16:09 AM PST by sklar
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To: RoosterRedux
Madeleine disappeared 05-03-2007.

The Youtube video you referenced was posted 10-15-2007 using a tape of Gerry McCann pleading for the return of his daughter.

The McCanns were exonerated 7-28-2008.

16 posted on 11/11/2011 4:23:01 AM PST by sklar
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To: sklar
He claims the program is "95% accurate". How could you possibly measure that?

That is not the point. The RINO-Dim coalition wanted a test. They got it. Now they should accept the results of the test. Its exact accuracy rate does not matter but the fact that it is a machine used by law enforcement does.

17 posted on 11/11/2011 4:32:22 AM PST by JimWayne
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To: JimWayne

Read posts #15 & 16!!!!!


18 posted on 11/11/2011 4:34:48 AM PST by sklar
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To: Eye of Unk; Scanian; edpc; RoosterRedux; JimWayne

{{{{{ crickets }}}}}


19 posted on 11/11/2011 4:44:07 AM PST by sklar
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To: sklar

On top of all ya’ll’s observations.

Don’t you think Herman’s new attorney vetted him, i.e., gave him a polygraph before the news conference?

That is why Herman can agree to taking one(obviously within certain parameters) without having to worry about results.

He already has polygraph results that show he is being truthful.

Doesn’t that make sense now?

Cain has smart people around him and is playing the media like a fiddle whether it looks like it or not.

On a side note, I like Newt but Newt has 10 times the issues as Cain and they are documented.

You don’t go from Speaker of The House to hitting the bricks in 1 year if there are not significant issues.

Newt could be #2 and then in 8 years #1. just got to get his foot back in the door.


20 posted on 11/11/2011 4:49:33 AM PST by BookaT ($9.99 this week +$9.99 last 3 weeks + $50 to get going= 89.96 for my ticket on The Cain Train!)
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To: sklar

Is there a point you were trying to make?


21 posted on 11/11/2011 4:51:01 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: faucetman

Yes. The software is laughably INACCURATE.


22 posted on 11/11/2011 4:52:46 AM PST by sklar
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To: Scanian

Googled Donna Donella pix. In group shot of with pals, she is the least attractive . Possibly by choice and overfed. Gaydar alert, gay motives.


23 posted on 11/11/2011 5:01:37 AM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: indylindy

You are correct about that.

I remember flying El Al back in the 80’s. The officer asked me some very funny questions, which I answered truthfully and got on the plane. It is MUCH more unpleasant and invasive now.

I would rather be alone in a room with Herman Cain than a TSA Agent.


24 posted on 11/11/2011 5:04:56 AM PST by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: sklar

Likewise you and your candidate. Which is?


25 posted on 11/11/2011 5:06:20 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: sklar

Too bad for Perry that the machine would not have worked-at least for 53 seconds.


26 posted on 11/11/2011 5:08:25 AM PST by not2worry
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To: BookaT
“On a side note, I like Newt but Newt has 10 times the issues as Cain and they are documented.”

Not true. Not ten, (you would need to name at least 40), not documented. (like the demanding of a deathbed divorce?)

Yes, Newt has baggage. Has he ever been accused of putting his hand up the skirt of a woman he doesn't know and pulling her head toward his crotch? I must have missed that one.

I don't know the answer to this, so consider it an actual question.

Did Newt have at least two sex harassment charges, where thousands of dollars were paid to keep the women quiet?

I never hear it asked .... Why did Cain LEAVE the NRA around the time of these sex charges? Isn't it a little curious? Maybe Cain was becoming too much trouble to have around.

I don't know if Cain is guilty or not. BUT! BLINDLY defending him with absolutely no evidence, other than his denials, is pathetic. What about these women? What if they are telling the truth? Something happened, they were paid thousands of dollars. Maybe we should ask O’Reily’s body language lady, then we would know for SURE!

27 posted on 11/11/2011 5:10:47 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: sklar

TY


28 posted on 11/11/2011 5:11:36 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: faucetman

The problem with Newt is you never know which one will show up - Conservative Newt, Liberal Newt, EcoTerrorist Newt or Socialist Newt?

Add the fact Newt stated “the Reagan Era is over”....a bigtime NO THANKS!


29 posted on 11/11/2011 5:14:22 AM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: sklar
Both McCann parents were EXONERATED of all wrongdoing!

So was O.J.

Exoneration of the McCann's is not a rational measure of a technology that is used all over the world by law enforcement to good effect. BTW, I am not defending LVA...just offering a link to anyone who might want to look into it.

You seem to have a lot of emotion invested in this issue. Is that due to your opposition to Cain?

30 posted on 11/11/2011 5:16:02 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Herman!)
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To: sklar

So, it would appear that you don’t believe Cain, and there is nothing that can change your mind.

Granted, I don’t know it this guy’s software is indeed 95% accurate, but then again, I have yet to hear or see anybody contradict his claims as being bogus. If there were any legitimate scientific or statistical evidence that contradicts this guy’s claims, I’m sure the MSM, the Whitehouse, DNC, RNC, Romney, Gloria Allred, RINO’s and liberals would be doing everything in their power to make it front page news. But as yet, nada.

I suspect you are either a Romney, Perry, Bachman, or Huntsman supporter. But that’s OK. Just keep beating your little drum on behalf of your candidate. I’m sticking with Herman Cain.


31 posted on 11/11/2011 5:18:46 AM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: RoosterRedux
You are so wrong.

OJ was investigated by the police and as a result, he was indicted and put on trial for murder...

The McCanns were investigated by the police and EXONERATED by the same police who investigated them.

32 posted on 11/11/2011 5:20:30 AM PST by sklar
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To: newfreep

Newt was correct..... it is now, not then. the problems and the world are different. To think otherwise is to be too comfortable under the rock


33 posted on 11/11/2011 5:20:39 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Scanian

I support Herman and would love to jump on this evidence in his defense but voice stress analysis is voodoo BS. Independant study after independant study shows their reslts are no more reliable than random chance. They have gotten popular because they are much cheaper to use than polygraphs, and are used for the same reason - to coerce confessions. But for reliability - you might just a well toss a handful of JuJu beans into a circle filled with chicken feathers drenched in goat’s blood.


34 posted on 11/11/2011 5:30:39 AM PST by circlecity
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To: BookaT
That is why Herman can agree to taking one(obviously within certain parameters) without having to worry about results.

The results are not the problem. Having to take a polygraph test is a humiliating experience in itself which is what his opponents want. No way Cain's team should agree to this.

35 posted on 11/11/2011 5:30:56 AM PST by JimWayne
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To: RoosterRedux

Bump for later viewing


36 posted on 11/11/2011 5:45:40 AM PST by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: circlecity
you might just a well toss a handful of JuJu beans into a circle filled with chicken feathers drenched in goat’s blood.

Are you saying that doesn't work?

;-)

37 posted on 11/11/2011 5:47:12 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Herman!)
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To: BookaT

I expect we will be starting to hear more about Gingrich’s history soon. It seems when Gingrich had the contract with America he was on top of things, then he went downhill after he was not Speaker.
This morning Rove was on Fox I turned it off before he came on I refuse to watch their politics again. What I watched was a guy with historic military medals. At any rate, I am sure that Rove was going to say that Perry’s support is going to go to Romney and Romney will be candidate.
Thoughts?????


38 posted on 11/11/2011 5:49:55 AM PST by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: sklar
Both McCann parents were EXONERATED of all wrongdoing!

They must be in the 5%.

39 posted on 11/11/2011 5:58:26 AM PST by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: sklar

“He claims the program is “95% accurate”. How could you possibly measure that?”

Because, when tested against Obama, it says he is lying 95% of the time.


40 posted on 11/11/2011 6:04:24 AM PST by Swirl
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To: bert
Newt was correct..... it is now, not then. the problems and the world are different. To think otherwise is to be too comfortable under the rock

You can spin it all you want, but the facts show that Newt desires "conservative solutions" to progressive issues. Instead of rejecting the premise of these issues, he accepts the premise and then develops a solution. When he said the Reagan era is dead, he meant Reagan's type of conservatism is dead. Reagan's type of conservatism is needed today just as it was needed in 1980 and perhaps even more.

I view Newt as an extremely smart individual and he would be MUCH better than Romney. I will also support him if he gets the nomination, but even though his debate performances have been great, I am still a skeptic on certain aspects of his platform.
41 posted on 11/11/2011 6:10:51 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: sklar
The McCanns were investigated by the police and EXONERATED by the same police who investigated them.

Perhaps the software should evaluate Casey Anthony and her parents.
42 posted on 11/11/2011 6:12:29 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: sklar

First your repeated posts on this software are really not necessary, nor is your vanity posting...
Two technically police do not EXONERATE, they simply move to a different suspect. Exonerate is to absolve someone from blame for a fault or wrongdoing. Last time I checked you are innocent until PROVEN guilty, so you can’t be exonerated until you are charged and then cleared by a Judge/Jury after due consideration of the case.
Third, you state it is laughably inaccurate because using your ONE example it supposedly failed (I say supposedly because the case is STILL OPEN). So if 70 law enforcement agencies are using it and have each used it only twice and it failed once in your scenario...yep it meets the claim of 95%.
You are way to eager to take a he said - she said scenario from over a decade ago and claim one side or the other is guilty (in your case you are obviously anti-Cain). There was no wrong doing here...the hilarious thing about this is he was a man and she was a woman meeting in private. The meeting was not in a workplace, there was no employer - employee relationship, it was not an interview, it was a private meeting at a hotel/car. Hmmm...seems to happen all the time and some of those times one of the participants thinks there is more to the situation (ie. reading that this is a date or something) and makes advances and the other side says “whoa...hold your horses” and guess what it ends. and they go their separate ways. Other times they find out they are a match and they are off to wonderland together. No one will ever know why these two people really met (if in fact they did) nor will they know what happened. It was at worse case a failed date/a failed attempt to get a favor. At best case it is all made up...either way...non-issue.


43 posted on 11/11/2011 6:12:41 AM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: sklar

actually, I’d be cringing because I heard about this software a few years ago and I *know* it’s good.

The software says Cain is being honest: OK, that’s good.

The software says that the blonde bimbo is lying: That’s a two-fer.

Combine that with the credibility issue (just looking at their past, public histories) and the way the blonde was behaving at the press conference and it’s all pretty clear to me.


44 posted on 11/11/2011 6:23:16 AM PST by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: mel

“It seems when Gingrich had the contract with America he was on top of things, then he went downhill after he was not Speaker.”

No, he went downhill just after he became Speaker. First he was full of himself enough to call a special address to the nation—the Speaker of the House’s address—where he lectured the American public. Then he proceeded to be completely unable to compel his new wave of Republicans to do more than vote on things—not FOR things—that were in the Contract. He was an unethical weasel, too. Gingrich admitted that he broke House rules by failing to ensure that financing for two projects would not violate federal tax law and by giving the House ethics committee false information. Finally, he became an apologist for the left with his global warming and illegal immigrant loving statements. NumbersUSA, which advocates stricter controls on both legal and illegal immigration, has given his immigration agenda a D- grade — the worst of its ranking of the GOP presidential contenders.

His personal baggage of his aside, he has proven he cannot walk the conservative walk. He’s a loose cannon as dangerous as McCain.


45 posted on 11/11/2011 6:23:47 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (Newt Gingrich, a great conservative? Before he was Speaker and had to walk the walk, sure.)
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To: faucetman
I don't know if Cain is guilty or not. BUT! BLINDLY defending him with absolutely no evidence, other than his denials, is pathetic. What about these women? What if they are telling the truth? Something happened, they were paid thousands of dollars. Maybe we should ask O’Reily’s body language lady, then we would know for SURE!

Your initial question negates the rest of your post.

In our country, at least until Obama destroys this too, a person is innocent until proved guilty.

What these women are claiming happened in a very short span during a man's lengthy and public career. Why are we hearing about charges one of the women made against a subsequent employer (he sent me an inappropriate email) but nothing about Cain during the entire rest of his career?

Why would you automatically take the word of the woman who lives in the same building as David Axlerod?

46 posted on 11/11/2011 6:28:26 AM PST by CAluvdubya (I STAND WITH CAIN)
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To: sklar
The software is laughably INACCURATE.

No. The law is occasionally MENDACIOUS.

47 posted on 11/11/2011 6:38:05 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: circlecity

“But for reliability - you might just a well toss a handful of JuJu beans into a circle filled with chicken feathers drenched in goat’s blood.”

Actually, I know more about this than anyone here I suspect.

In 1992 the company I owned wrote and marketed a voice stress analysis software package that was sold internationally. We had two versions, one that was sold as more of a game of fun package, and another version that was technically the same that we sold to the Israeli’s.

It was not layered, but it compared a statistical sample of the subjects normal speech, to the speech in question. We accomplished this by doing a Fourier analysis, looking for micro-tremors as well as pitch changes in the speech pattern. PC’s were slow back then so we were limited to our sampling ability. With modern computers it would “rock”.


48 posted on 11/11/2011 6:52:45 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: BookaT

From what I remember, Newt’s problems involved cheating on his wife. This is a matter between husband and wife - none of our business because we don’t know the situation.


49 posted on 11/11/2011 7:37:42 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: babygene

About 6 years ago the local police dept. one county over from where I practice bought a bunch of VSAs and trained their cops to use them. Within 6 months every cop in the department considered them a joke. One of the officers remarked to me that he could get more reliable results using a Magic 8 Ball. That PD no longer even bothers to use them - they are in a closet gathering dust.


50 posted on 11/11/2011 8:12:57 AM PST by circlecity
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