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Duke Energy urges electric car owners to stop using charging stations after fire
WSOC TV ^ | 11/09/11

Posted on 11/11/2011 4:51:26 AM PST by Libloather

Duke Energy urges electric car owners to stop using charging stations after fire
Updated: 1:37 pm EST November 9, 2011

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Duke Energy officials are asking customers who own the company's electric car charging stations to stop using the product after a house fire in Mooresville last month.

A representative from the company has confirmed to Channel 9 that an email was sent to about 125 customers in North Carolina, South Carolina and Indiana who have the same type of charging station installed in their homes.

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KEYWORDS: charging; duke; electric; fail; fire; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greencars; greenfail; thegreenlie
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Anyone know how much the bill would be from just one charge? I'm trying to figure out the price of saving the planet.
1 posted on 11/11/2011 4:51:28 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

I own Duke Energy stock. Maybe I need to take a hard look at that outfit.


2 posted on 11/11/2011 4:55:43 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: Libloather
after a house fire in Mooresville last month.

So electric cars increase global warming?

3 posted on 11/11/2011 4:56:47 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Yes, and you can lose the mortgage in operating costs.


4 posted on 11/11/2011 4:58:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Libloather

Another green idea that goes belly up.


5 posted on 11/11/2011 4:58:35 AM PST by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: Libloather

I always laugh about the liberals embrace of electric cars.

The car batteries need to be re-charged, and the electricity to re-charge these batteries often comes from coal fired power plants. So arguably, if we had millions of electric cars on the road, we would need to sharply increase generation from fossil fuel power plants.

Have any liberals calculated the carbon footprint of re-charging electric cars???

Or do liberals think we can generate enough power from solar, windmills, and ocean waves????

Do liberals know where electricity comes from? I think they over simplify this issue. Yes, an electric car itself operates pollution free, but its power has to be generated somehow.


6 posted on 11/11/2011 5:01:21 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

If your house burns down because of your electric car, does it count against your carbon credit total?


7 posted on 11/11/2011 5:01:22 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Libloather

I heard this on Rush’s show yesterday and laughed my butt off when I heard it...


8 posted on 11/11/2011 5:01:46 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Libloather

So, If you can’t recharge your electric car, what you have is an expensive paperweight!


9 posted on 11/11/2011 5:01:48 AM PST by reg45 (I'm not angry that Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm angry that Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.)
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To: Libloather

The Leaf has a 80-kW motor and 24-kwh battery. The voltage is 440V.


10 posted on 11/11/2011 5:02:27 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Do liberals know where electricity comes from?

The socket?

11 posted on 11/11/2011 5:03:44 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Darkwolf377
If your house burns down because of your electric car, does it count against your carbon credit total?

If your house is made of any vinyl or plastic then no. A house made of only wood and wood products and it burned would be a carbon neutral event.

12 posted on 11/11/2011 5:04:09 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“...pollution free...” might be a stretch...battery disposal seeems to be a significant issue.


13 posted on 11/11/2011 5:04:48 AM PST by jennings2004 (Cain: An American.....not an African-American....this prioritiy resonates with me!)
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To: central_va

Good to know!

We need to march on Detroit and get them working on that car that runs on...love!


14 posted on 11/11/2011 5:07:46 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: reg45

You can still use a standard plug-in.

It just takes longer.


15 posted on 11/11/2011 5:07:52 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: Libloather

It’s supposed to be just a couple of bucks.


16 posted on 11/11/2011 5:08:18 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: Libloather

It’s supposed to be just a couple of bucks.


17 posted on 11/11/2011 5:08:22 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: Darkwolf377

In Belgium, yes.


18 posted on 11/11/2011 5:08:53 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Libloather

Duke Energy in Charlotte is largely nuclear powered. Green energy!


19 posted on 11/11/2011 5:09:55 AM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: left that other site
Another green idea that goes belly up in flames.
20 posted on 11/11/2011 5:13:10 AM PST by C210N (zer0 - a Marxonist spreading the flames of obamunism wherever he goes.)
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To: Libloather

It’s likely that simple economics, and free markets, will eventually lead to widespread use of electric vehicles.

But not now. The batteries are too inefficient. Too heavy. Too expensive, and the cost of charging them is not low enough to overcome consumer inertia.

A while back I did see online where a guy in a sunny part of the country in fact drives an electric SUV (An Escape, or some such) he charges from a solar array on his roof. In effect he drives free.

If one disregards the $40,000 or so he paid for all that solar panel hardware. And the cost of the battery-powered SUV.

Fact is, it’s a large array of solar panels, for a pretty small job. He can’t take the Array with him obviously, so he’s trapped within the radius of 1/2 his battery capacity.

Not to mention, unless he works graveyard shift, he needs to drive his car, during the time of day, it would most efficiently recharge from the solar panels. Most solar systems use panels to charge batteries during the day, which then run lights and appliances round the clock.

With an electric car, what’s the approach? Solar panel array charges a battery, which then ... charges another battery? Not very efficient.

It’s not so much that it doesn’t make sense to use electric power. It’s just that the technology is still in its infancy.

The market will drive all alternative sources of power, as the sources of power are ready.


21 posted on 11/11/2011 5:13:18 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: Darkwolf377

On page 83,437 of the Internal Revenue Service code, Paragraph 910.268.469.873 sub heading XIV (A)ee. 31, The items subject to the carbon credit loss are limited to the credit producing item and the associated production equipment.

I interpret that to mean the car and it’s valuation and the plug in station are covered. That means that items not actually part of the car, but in the car at the time of loss are not included. The House and garage and all other contents are of course not included, being merely ordinary stuff and not subject to the loss of carbon credit provision.


22 posted on 11/11/2011 5:13:29 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Perdogg

Yikes!!


23 posted on 11/11/2011 5:15:46 AM PST by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: bert
I interpret that to mean the car and it’s valuation and the plug in station are covered. That means that items not actually part of the car, but in the car at the time of loss are not included. The House and garage and all other contents are of course not included...

What a relief! Those plugs are hard to replace!

24 posted on 11/11/2011 5:16:39 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Libloather

example: Nissan.Leaf, 24kWhr battery, @10¢/kWhr = $2.40 which is good for 100 mi. = 2.4¢ per mile, but it takes 8 hours to recharge, which is why you need a home charger.


25 posted on 11/11/2011 5:18:42 AM PST by reg45 (I'm not angry that Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm angry that Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Electric car toasted.

Electric cars are toast.

Driver could have been toast if he was taking a nap in the car.


26 posted on 11/11/2011 5:19:25 AM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: Surrounded_too

In that case, the car would have been transformed into a toaster-oven.


27 posted on 11/11/2011 5:20:15 AM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: Libloather
Duke Power holds a unique place in history. It was the Griggs vs Duke Power decision that made testing applicants for IQ etc. illegal.. It's why the college degree now replaces aptitude testing.
28 posted on 11/11/2011 5:21:32 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Solar and Wind Power will never work. Why? Because they are not available 24/7. We all know this, but the libtards don’t.

You have the wind that doesn’t always blow and possibly not even strong enough at certain times.

Then you have Solar (the sun) which goes down at night and hides behind the clouds sometimes too.

Whenever I see a hybrid, ie Prius, I laugh. I am sure the people driving are libtards. I get a kick out of them thinking they are morally superior and more intelligent, when quite the opposite is the truth.


29 posted on 11/11/2011 5:25:19 AM PST by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Electric vehicles are only incrementally advanced after over a century of work;internal combustion engines have been proven far more useful in the real world.

ALL these government mandates for electric cars should be scrapped;if electric cars are ever to be viable it will be inspite of, not because of, government.All government programs have done is waste billions of dollars proving pigs can’t fly.

The so-called enviros have touted electric cars since the mid-70s and the truth is they just are horrible in terms of economics and enviromental damage.

Hybrid cars are simply a way of better managing the output of the internal combustion engine through temporary load shifting and secondary power storage.


30 posted on 11/11/2011 5:27:30 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Liberals call electricity ‘clean energy’ because they are pie-in-the-sky idiots and fools. They are very much like children.

If you ask a Liberal where the electricity for their car comes from, they will tell you that when the unicorns are pooping rainbows, natural electricity is made which somehow automatically recharges my car.

Libs are idiots. Their fanatic adherence to whatever the Leftist ideology de juer is prohibits them from thinking thing through. Libs just do what they are told to do by the elite. They don’t care if it is right or wrong.


31 posted on 11/11/2011 5:28:01 AM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: hoosierham

“Limited Range” is the whole reason the elite are pushing electric cars.

You can’t control people that can travel hundreds of miles in a few hours.


32 posted on 11/11/2011 5:29:01 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Darkwolf377

The next generation of eco-friendly cars are being designed to run on unicorn p*ss - no problems with either garage fires or carbon footprint.


33 posted on 11/11/2011 5:36:13 AM PST by Stosh
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I agree that eventually battery tech will make EVs viable.

I wonder, though, how long it takes that guy to charge with his solar array. A week?

34 posted on 11/11/2011 5:36:23 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: C210N

My Favorite Greenfail stories:

1. The environmentalists squawked Mightily at the building of the Alaska Pipeline years ago. They claimed that the pipeline would interrupt caribou migrations. In the ensuing years it was discovered that the caribou LOVE the heaters that are set up along the pipeline to keep the oil flowing. They find these spots ideal for making whoopie, thus MORE CARIBOU! LOL!

2. The beloved manatees of Florida were suffering terribly during the last couple of freezing winters. Over 500 of them died from the cold...until some enterprising manatee discovered that the effluvia from a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT warmed the water near the outflow pipe just enough to ensure the manatees’ survival, as long as they clustered themselves near the pipe and stayed near till the seasons changed. (This is one of my favorite stories, as it involves FOUR sacred cows of environmentalism..Manatees, Nuclear Power, Global “Warming”, and “Rising Ocean Temperatures”)

3. Story number three is ongoing. It seems as though “Wind Farms” are killing MASSIVE numbers of migratory birds. Unforeseen! Unexpected!

4. And now we have this Electric car Charging Debacle.

5. One final word: “Solyndra”.


35 posted on 11/11/2011 5:42:46 AM PST by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: Perdogg

440VAC 3ph 60hz power is not available in most residential areas.
This is on purpose, as 3 phase power is not needed for the average home power consumption. Usually 200 amp service is more than adequate for most homes. Single phase 220VAC is used for dryers and ovens. Most everything else is 120vac.
It is almost impossible to add 3phase power to residential areas. The grid will not support it. The transformers would have to be changed, additional conductors pulled into each street and into each home.
So, in conclusion:
There is no way to charge an electric car using a 440VAC transformer in probably 99% of homes.


36 posted on 11/11/2011 5:47:24 AM PST by 9422WMR
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To: Stosh

That is AWESOME! And they should, like, have the unicorns grown with, like, X-Boxes in their necks, so you can, like, ride ‘em around to the hippie hangout and not miss out on any playing time! Just keep the corporate Unicorn Farmers out of the game!!!!


37 posted on 11/11/2011 5:48:57 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Darkwolf377
You forgot one word from the 60's hippie phrase.

We need to march on Detroit and get them working on that car that runs on... free love!

38 posted on 11/11/2011 5:49:53 AM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet

I think they’d do better with a car that runs on lice. They could fuel a fleet of spaceships if they get that going, and the whole bunch of em can head to the moon.


39 posted on 11/11/2011 5:51:35 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: hoosierham

I’m actually having fun tech-wise using a small amount of this sort of thing in my own life.

I don’t ask government to help me. I don’t do it because the government told me I should. It’s just for a hobby. Same reason I’ve started using a couple LED light bulbs around the place. (they’re not bright enough to use for most things yet)

Nothing wrong with technological advancement. It’s just when government gets involved, things go wrong.

At the moment I’ve got a small electric scooter I use on weekends to run short errands with. It goes about a mile round trip.

Hypothetically it can be charged solar. That’s not available with the scooter, but I rigged together a small solar charger.

Thing is, it takes about a full sunny day, to charge for that one mile round trip.

It’s fun to jump on it and zip over to the market, without using gas. It’s interesting to be marginally able to recharge it without the grid. As a hobby.

But the technology just isn’t ready yet for prime time.

Not even close to being better than gasoline yet.


40 posted on 11/11/2011 5:55:38 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: Darkwolf377

Duke is a big outfit, 125 Electric cars Customers in three States. Electric cars = what a success story!


41 posted on 11/11/2011 5:58:27 AM PST by DAC21
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To: central_va

If I remember correctly from an article last year...this charger business was brought up in California. You had to buy the specialized charger which ran around $1k, but you had to pay an authorized electrician (by state law in Cal) to hook this up. This charger, by definition of state law there, required an industrial rate and separate hook up....because of more wattage being drawn....so your house electrical bill would have gone up significantly if you went in this direction. Whatever you think you saved from not using gas....you burned up fairly close the same amount from electricity.

Here’s the curious thing. I would imagine that if half the nation switched and at least one electric car per family....we’d need at least two dozen more power plants around the US and most folks would be paying in the $500 a month range for their house power and electrical power. If you bought into utility stock right now....in twenty years...you’d be making huge dividends every month and laughing over the profit of your stock over a twenty year period.


42 posted on 11/11/2011 6:00:22 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Libloather

The burning of a modest size American single family home releases the equivalent of an acre of trees. Better buy some offsets along with your Chevy Volt.


43 posted on 11/11/2011 6:01:00 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Libloather

I’m hoping there’ll be lot’sa charging units installed in and around the 2012 DNC Convention being held in Charlotte.


44 posted on 11/11/2011 6:01:53 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: Libloather

Saving the planet by burning it down.


45 posted on 11/11/2011 6:02:01 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Darkwolf377

to about 125 customers in North Carolina, South Carolina and Indiana who have the same type of charging station installed in their homes.

.....not by much it would seem (125 units).


46 posted on 11/11/2011 6:04:10 AM PST by Recon Dad ("The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if necessary.")
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To: Libloather
Has anyone even SEEN a comprehensive study comparing electric bills before and after the regular use of one of these vehicles and how it compares to the cost of fueling a conventional vehicle?

It's like it's being kept secret.

47 posted on 11/11/2011 6:04:17 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"I’m actually having fun tech-wise using a small amount of this sort of thing in my own life."

If any success comes from this new-fangled way of "saving the planet", a lot of it will come from folks such as yourself...the backyard/hobbyist-type inventors and experimenters.

Just be sure to patent it, and don't sell your idea to the bigs boys for a song.

48 posted on 11/11/2011 6:07:36 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: central_va

It’s why the college degree now replaces aptitude testing.

......thank God or I would never have gotten a job!


49 posted on 11/11/2011 6:09:15 AM PST by Recon Dad ("The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if necessary.")
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To: Darkwolf377

“Corporate Unicorn Farmers”????? That would mean people are eating unicorns.........passed out there for a second.


50 posted on 11/11/2011 6:09:59 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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