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Decline Watch: America's goat population to remain a mystery
Foreign Policy ^ | November 10, 2011 | Joshua Keating

Posted on 11/11/2011 8:56:00 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom

Last year, Wisconsin led the nation in mink farming, producing 833,430 pelts. Texas was the undisputed king of pansies, growing 1.8 million flats of the flowers. And no state harvested more hops than Washington, with 24,336 acres.

This year? Who knows? The government has stopped counting.

Forced to cut its budget, the Agriculture Department has decided to eliminate dozens of reports, including the annual goat census (current population: three million), and the number of catfish on the nation’s fish farms (177 million, not counting the small fry).

The statistics service said it was forced to reduce the frequency of some reports and eliminate others because its budget was cut for the fiscal year that ended in September and it expects further cuts for the current year. The eliminated reports will save $11 million a year.

“These are not cuts we wanted to make, but budget reductions by Congress made it necessary,” said Matt Herrick, a spokesman for the Agriculture Department.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.foreignpolicy.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america; decline; goats; shtf; suburbanlivestock; teotwawki; whatsfordinner
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TEOTHAWKI!!


1 posted on 11/11/2011 8:56:04 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Dreadful! What will we do without this information?


2 posted on 11/11/2011 8:57:46 AM PST by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: Tax-chick
“Dreadful! What will we do without this information?”

We could have a Goat Gap and not even know it. Our enemies will win.

3 posted on 11/11/2011 8:59:12 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I don’t know if I can live with this. Should we have #OccupyGoatFarms?


4 posted on 11/11/2011 9:00:03 AM PST by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
This sounds trivial, but wait until we get overrun with uncounted goats.

I think this is how ancient Rome was finally done in.

5 posted on 11/11/2011 9:00:47 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: SIDENET

Eat ‘em.


6 posted on 11/11/2011 9:02:14 AM PST by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
How many former bureaucrats are walking the streets of DC with "Will count goats for food" signs?

Also, will I still be able to get secret prerelease information on frozen concentrated orange juice production?

7 posted on 11/11/2011 9:02:16 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Just count the number of muslim men in the country and multiply by 3..........


8 posted on 11/11/2011 9:02:51 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Well, we can start the count here.

We have four: Jake and Ellwood and Blanche and Rose.

We had three others Earl, Earl and Earl but, sadly, they are deceased.

FYI Goats are very fragile healthwise. Once they get bloat or a blocked urinary tract, there is really nothing anyone can do.

:*-(


9 posted on 11/11/2011 9:03:20 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Hmm, this could have consequences for the computer industry in Texas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhDhDRvHaGs


10 posted on 11/11/2011 9:03:54 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

13 fainting goats here.


11 posted on 11/11/2011 9:04:51 AM PST by Rio
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To: Tax-chick
“I don’t know if I can live with this. Should we have #OccupyGoatFarms?”

Some thoughts on that. Compared to the OWS gatherings; OGF (Occupy Goat Farms) would:

—smell better
—be more intellectually stimulating
—have better manners
—be around more attractive company

12 posted on 11/11/2011 9:07:39 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Liberals say its too expensive to count people, so they want to estimate population, especially those areas high in illegals. To save money, they want to use statistics.

So, liberals out there... how about using statistics to count goats? Some of these goats might be illegals! (actually, I suppose its the ornithologists that REALLY want to count illegals).


13 posted on 11/11/2011 9:07:53 AM PST by C210N (zer0 - a Marxonist spreading the flames of obamunism wherever he goes.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Can I Trade Places with you?
14 posted on 11/11/2011 9:08:22 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I’ve come to realize that all these government departments, which sounded so good and logical in seventh grade civics, are merely a means of giving political supporters tax money; which in turn gets creamed back to the politician/party.


15 posted on 11/11/2011 9:10:39 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It’s easier to cut reports than to fire your Democrat friends and relatives.


16 posted on 11/11/2011 9:27:46 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

This is the same Federal Department which wants to revive the NAID program. National Animal ID. Chip every crreature....reports for every time you move any animal off or back onto your farm.

IE: IF I ride one of my horses off my property & ride for a couple of hours with a neighbor, we both must file a report within 24 hours (Many of my neighbors do not have computers) that says where we are going-why-what route-when we expect to return, etc.
Then when back on the property, a similar report has to be filed, with all the matching information.

Fine for not doing so within 24 hours? $5000 per animal per trip in & trip out.

There is also a push to declare horses COMPANION ANIMALS. That prevents us from breeding them & selling them for more than $500 per horse. Guess I will have to find another way to collect funds for the gelding I have in training that is for sale.

Perhaps $500 in cash & the rest in gift certificates from the local grocery store?????


17 posted on 11/11/2011 9:33:38 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Rio

24 Boers and multiplying... had to stop naming them when i started eating them. :|


18 posted on 11/11/2011 9:51:44 AM PST by Buscador
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

If the govt. doesn’t know how many there are that is a good thing and might prevent the govt. from deciding that there are too many of something. The marketplace must decide how many of anything is needed and the marketplace must also decide the value.

Trust the invisible hand. Goat counting comes from central planning which will destroy us.


19 posted on 11/11/2011 9:56:43 AM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: goat granny

Ping


20 posted on 11/11/2011 10:09:35 AM PST by wideminded
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To: ridesthemiles
Chip every crreature....reports for every time you move any animal off or back onto your farm

I think that this is a brilliant idea, and the NAID Nannies should set an example by doing it first to themselves.

I'd love to know when they get near my house.

On a more serious note, I wonder how what they're proposing is even enforceable.

21 posted on 11/11/2011 10:10:35 AM PST by wbill
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

22 posted on 11/11/2011 10:11:42 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
For the goats to multiply, you must segregate them from muslim men.

I appreciate double entendres...

5.56mm

23 posted on 11/11/2011 10:14:16 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: ridesthemiles

I’m having a hard time believing this, but then again... What is the logic for this? Hell, do these horses have wings and you have to file a flight plan?


24 posted on 11/11/2011 10:17:16 AM PST by Excellence ( CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Tax-chick

OMG raise taxes, I cannot live without this information....GG LOL


25 posted on 11/11/2011 12:29:52 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Tax-chick

Now that is downright cold...:O(


26 posted on 11/11/2011 12:31:22 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

We had Nubians when I was a teenager (one male, one female, and they obviously had some babies). One of the offspring got bloat and died, unfortunately. They were great for eating the thorns and poison ivy (which I’m highly allergic to). They are also very entertaining little critters—except when they tap dance on the hood of a car. ;) I wouldn’t mind having another one.


27 posted on 11/11/2011 12:33:51 PM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (How long till my Arkansas drawl fades into the twang of southeast Ohio?)
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To: Rio; Elsie

Use to raise Angora’s, started with 18, 5 years later up to about 80. Then had to sell the farm. Goats are lovely creatures, just ask Elsie


28 posted on 11/11/2011 12:34:44 PM PST by goat granny
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To: wideminded; Tax-chick

thanks for the ping, but taxchick is sure cold...LOL There are more angora goats in Texas than there are people...


29 posted on 11/11/2011 12:40:10 PM PST by goat granny
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To: JoeProBono

Great picture....:O)


30 posted on 11/11/2011 12:41:06 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

I have nothing against goats, but some are intended for eating. Some of my relatives in Missouri were doing quite well raising sheep and goats for sale to the Moslem population up in Michigan.


31 posted on 11/11/2011 2:05:55 PM PST by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Me, too!

Jack and Casper and Ellie Mae and Gracie.


32 posted on 11/11/2011 2:24:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Oops!

EM is on the right.


33 posted on 11/11/2011 2:30:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Any Relation to Whitegoat Potters?


34 posted on 11/11/2011 2:41:11 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)
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To: Tax-chick
I tried goat meat and didn't like it, but they make great salami or sausage...the taste is a lot different than beef. But we didn't like lamb either..I was told the taste is similar to lamb...After we tried eating the first one, they went to salami and not chops.

Angora's are not as big as some breeds of goat, you lose about 55% after butchering. Beef you lose about 45-50% in hanging weight...our 1600 pound angus hung at 750 pounds. She was spoiled and had quite a bit of fat, but tasty.

35 posted on 11/11/2011 2:44:09 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

When I was growing up in the Southwest, you didn’t ask where the meat came from ;-). I like goat and lamb pretty well, especially if you really sauce up the goat. If you cook it for a day, it’s not even tough.

It’s been a long time since I had cabrito, but if we have the national economic collapse and have to move back to the farm, we’ll get used to it again.


36 posted on 11/11/2011 2:48:13 PM PST by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: Tax-chick

Heck if it gets reallllly bad, you could get use to roasted rat. There are millions of them...LOL


37 posted on 11/11/2011 3:09:06 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

We have plenty of opossums here, but I don’t recall seeing a rat!


38 posted on 11/11/2011 4:18:08 PM PST by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: Tax-chick
As I recall sometime back in the 60's there was a proposal that "at no time will the number of employees of the Department of Agriculture exceed the number of farms in the US." It was defeated.

Now we know why, they needed more goat counters.

39 posted on 11/11/2011 4:23:23 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The Department of Agriculture is an amazing racket. It’s a wonder we have anything to eat at all.


40 posted on 11/11/2011 4:27:56 PM PST by Tax-chick (Remember our veterans, today and every day!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Google is full of references to goat associations, which could pick up the ball and offer reporting on goats in the US. Same for most other livestock and crops.

The notion that if the government doesn't do it, then it can't be done, is silly, and with each passing day we are going to be dependent on the network of associations and charities to fill the gap when the tide of government spending recedes.

41 posted on 11/11/2011 4:32:48 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma
I have two Nubians left out of about 20 at one point. I'm letting them live out their lives and I'm done with goats due to health reasons. I sold off 5 of my herd a few years back. The buyer shows up too haul them in a station wagon. I looked at them and said you haven't raised goats long have you? LOL.

If not debudded they can be very violent animals and deserve due respect handling them. There is no way I would let a kid be in a pen with horned goats alone.

42 posted on 11/11/2011 4:37:41 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Tax-chick
We would be in more trouble then we are if they were not spending so much of their time on nonsense.

Sometimes I think most of these jobs were dreamed up by some poor slob who got stuck with a summer intern.

"Please to meet you Mr Local Bigwigs Offspring! You are going to be the head of our goat counting program. Yep, you will be out in the field all summer. No, don't bother to come in, just send your reports in by mail."

But of course you have to write up a report justifying the assignment and it gets entered into the SOP and the next thing you know some dam fool wants you to count cows too. So you have to hire some one for that, then you have to hire someone to file the reports and the next thing you know you have 50 people running around counting things when all you wanted was a little peace and quiet so you could work on the Great Horned Tobacco Worm infestation.

43 posted on 11/11/2011 4:48:05 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

So when they stop counting pigs will we lose track of the number of federal employees?


44 posted on 11/11/2011 4:50:49 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Tax-chick

The first time on the farm I saw a possum in shadow on top of our bales of hay in the barn, scared the bejeebers out of me. Went into the house and told my husband that there was a huge rat in the barn...Later learned it was a possum. duh....


45 posted on 11/11/2011 5:06:11 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Utah Binger
Mama's gots pots!



And, it appears, a bunch of Halloween decorations yet to store away!

46 posted on 11/12/2011 5:37:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: goat granny

All four of mine are spoiled!


47 posted on 11/12/2011 5:38:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cva66snipe
The buyer shows up too haul them in a station wagon.

We brought our 4 home (about 120 miles) in the back of a Jeep Grand Cherokee when they were about 6 weeks old.

They traveled MUCH better than human KIDS I've hauled around!

Not once did they say...

"Are we THERE yet?" or "He LOOKED at me" or "She's hogging the window" or 'Are we there YET???" or "I gotta pee."

I'd have a hard time putting one of the girls back there now!

48 posted on 11/12/2011 5:43:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

You have NAILED it!


49 posted on 11/12/2011 5:44:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

YaBut....None by Venita Whitegoat, Navajo. They have been occupying Page, AZ for centuries.


50 posted on 11/12/2011 5:45:36 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)
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