Posted on 11/11/2011 4:42:22 PM PST by Johnny B.
E-Cat Technology by Andrea Rossi of Leonardo Corporation
Of course it’s substantiated. There were a bunch of people there.
That leaves only 2 possibilities. Either Rossi is a scam artist or it’s the real deal.
I’ve a feeling
***Maybe you should base your opinions on facts and rational reasoning rather than feelings.
Oh, I suppose I could go looking through some of the links JohnnyB has provided, and copy examples of past con men who always promised that the big breakthrough was always just around the corner. But in this case, I think my instincts are good enough.
Then asking you to evaluate the scientific evidence appears to be too much. It’s so boring, emotionally.
Passerini's blog. Look it up.OK, I looked it up.
You once complained about some news stories about Rossi's criminal past, because they were poorly translated from the Italian by Google. The translation of this site is far worse than anything I posted. If there is an English language version, please post the link.
He may be claiming to have independently "confirmed" the N.I. story (it's impossible to make sense of the translation), but I notice he doesn't provide any evidence of that, and that he links back to Stirling Allan's blog post.
So, I still haven't seen anything other than Allan's blog post to verify this. In particular, I haven't seen any sign of an actual press release, which would have been released by N.I.
In the end, it's straining at gnats anyway. If Rossi is legitimate, he would be buying components to build his gadgets. If Rossi is a con artist, he would be creating the appearance of buying components to build his gadget.
Since I'm very much a logical person, I have found that the few times an emotional reaction seems to precede my logical analysis, there is always a logical reason for me to feel the way I do.
In this case, I have already read the accounts of other con men whose behaviors were nearly identical to Rossi's. So, I think the "feeling" is based on an assessment that since Rossi has demonstrated a behavior pattern, he will continue to act in a manner consistent with that pattern.
Let me guess--you would accept no evidence of Rossi's con man personality short of a psychiatric examination which, even if done, we would not see because of privacy laws.
Of course it’s substantiated. There were a bunch of people there.So, that means that when David Copperfield makes the Statue of Liberty disappear, it must really be happening because "there were a bunch of people there"?
Funny. I had not problem with the translation.
"He may be claiming to have independently "confirmed" the N.I. story (it's impossible to make sense of the translation), but I notice he doesn't provide any evidence of that, and that he links back to Stirling Allan's blog post."
It's obvious even from the "bad translation" that he was aware of the NI link well before it was revealed to the world. And of course he would link to Allan's entry, as that was the "officially blessed by Rossi" site to be credited with the info.
"So, I still haven't seen anything other than Allan's blog post to verify this. In particular, I haven't seen any sign of an actual press release, which would have been released by N.I."
I had no problem finding a statement from direct from NI clarifying that NI did not buy an E-Cat (as was rumored by some), but WAS contracting with Rossi to provide control equipment.
And no, I didn't save the link.
"In the end, it's straining at gnats anyway. If Rossi is legitimate, he would be buying components to build his gadgets. If Rossi is a con artist, he would be creating the appearance of buying components to build his gadget.
As I understand it, this control package will be quite extensive, both hardware and software. A contract and specification is an absolute necessity before buying. And your attempt at equivocation on the point simply betrays your psychotic skeptic point of view.
And no, I didn't save the link.Fortunately, I did: LINK
When I first read this story, I missed the statement: There are thousands of researchers and engineers in the world trying to solve alternative energy challenges and National Instruments provides tools to many of these scientists. One example is the Leonardo Corporation who intends to use NI tools for various applications. Specific details are still in development.
So, Rossi and N.I. are in talks about N.I. supplying tools, as they do for "thousands of researchers and engineers".
No signed contract, no signs of any special relationship. Just talking about doing a deal. That's nice, but it's hardly the "confirmation that Rossi is correct" that his fans have claimed.
This article is also independent confirmation that N.I. did not buy an E-Cat, so we still don't have any independent confirmation that Rossi has actually sold an E-Cat to anyone.
You sound like a non-believer. Quite a few of those after the first Kitty-hawk flight too.
There will be disbelievers until we have a LENR aircraft carrier. Sometimes it’s better to save your breath than worry about evidence for those who wish to remain skeptical.
You sound like a non-believer. Quite a few of those after the first Kitty-hawk flight too."Belief" has nothing to do with science. If you're a "believer" then you're engaging in religion.
Also, there were quite a few "non-believers" with every scam invention, and the "non-believers" were correct.
Notice that Rossi's partner, Sterling D. Allan, has believed, endorsed and supported just about all of the scam "energy" devices over the last couple of decades. HERE is a list of Allan's articles about a wide verity of scams and delusions.
The fact that he is now supporting Rossi is a compelling argument that Rossi's E-Cat is also a scam. It would be out of character for Allen to support something that actually worked.
There will be disbelievers until we have a LENR aircraft carrier.I would settle for a report from an identified company not associated with Rossi (legitimate company, university, or government organization) that they had independently tested a Rossi E-Cat and determined that it actually does produce more energy than it takes in.
We still don't have anything like that. Rossi could have easily allowed such a test at any time, but since he won't do so, it's safe to assume that he can't do so.
Pretty interesting power curves I must say, nobody there has said they weren’t legit. Of course those absent can have any opinion. I for one don’t believe the Chinese ever ventured out of their space craft in orbit. We definitely have hoaxes in our scientific papers.
You’re way off, and you’re headed down a track that is obviously blazed by your emotions. You won’t even look at the scientific evidence because you’re all wrapped up in the appearance of a con artist. You simply cannot see past it. And that is not due to your logical reasoning, it is due to your emotions.
Here’s a classic example of how you’re leading with your emotions:
Let me guess—you would accept no evidence of Rossi’s con man personality short of a psychiatric examination which, even if done, we would not see because of privacy laws.
***This is a total distortion of how I view the situation, and you argue against that distortion. Such an approach is a classic fallacy — it’s called straw argumentation. Why would someone who’s “very much a logical person” demonstrate a logical fallacy in the very next paragraph? Because you ain’t nearly as logical as you perceive yourself.
I’m on a low bandwidth connection, not all that interested in Youtube videos at this point.
Good advice.
So, that means that when David Copperfield makes the Statue of Liberty disappear, it must really be happening because “there were a bunch of people there”?
*** The statue is still there. You can go see it now. Similarly, you can prove that Rossi is a fraud by getting a buncha buddies together and buying one.
Do you have any issue with the second part of the statement?
That leaves only 2 possibilities. Either Rossi is a scam artist or it’s the real deal.
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