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Rossi E-Cat Sales Web Site Goes Live
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/ ^ | 11/11/2011 | Self

Posted on 11/11/2011 4:42:22 PM PST by Johnny B.

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To: Johnny B.

There is still no evidence, other than Rossi’s word, that there even was a customer.
***There were all the people who were there at the time. There’s that Domenico Faviorinti dude
A photo of Col. Ing. Domenico Fioravanti: http://theeestory.com/posts/215391
There’s Manutencoop Facility Management

If anyone involved had an inkling that fiovaranti is a shill, they would have stepped forward. Rossi is not that good of a con artist.

TEST E-CAT - 6 OTTOBRE 2011
ROSSI ING. ANDREA
FOCARDI PROF. SERGIO
BILLI ENRICO SVILUPPATORE SOFTWARE
STREMMENOS PROF. CHRISTOS
SOGLIA PAOLO GIORNALISTA - RADIO CITTA’ DEL CAPO
DAMIANA AGUIARI GIORNALISTA
CAMPARI ENRICO FISICO - UNIVERSITA’ DI BOLOGNA
BONETTI ENNIO DOCENTE UNIVERSITARIO
HELGESSON STEFAN
SWANSON PAUL INGEGNERE
SANDSTROM NICLAS FINANCE
MAGNUS HAHN
RIVA STEFANO CONFINDUSTRIA PIACENZA
PARENTI NICOLA PRESIDENTE GIOVANI CONFIND. PIACENZA
JOHANSSON TOMAS GIORNALISTA
LEVI GIUSEPPE PROFESSORE UNIVERSITARIO
PETTERSON PROF. ROLAND
FERRARI LORIS UNIVERSITARIO
CLAUZON PIERRE RETIRED (CNAM/CEA)
VANDENWALLE KOEN INGEGNERE
PASSI ALESSANDRO DOCENTE UNIVERSITARIO
PASSERINI DANIELE BLOGGER
SGHERRI ROBERTO DIR. INDUSTRIALE
FIORAVANTI DOMENICO CONSULENTE
LEWAN MATS GIORNALISTA - NY TEKNIK
BIANCHINI DAVID FISICO - UNIVERSITA’ DI BOLOGNA
ZANNOLI SEBASTIANO
JOBSON EDWARD
MELIS MAURIZIO GIORNALISTA - RADIO 24
GRANATIERO ANDREA FOTOGRAFO
BREGA MASSIMO FOTOGRAFO
ZREICK RAYMOND GIORNALISTA - FOCUS
ZREICK IRENE GIORNALISTA - FOCUS


51 posted on 11/11/2011 8:41:22 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.
The photo of Rossi inside the Ecat shipping container makes it look like he's in a straightjacket.

Again, he starts a corporation using the name of a real corporation that is related to what Rossi is doing. Kind of sleazy if you ask me.

52 posted on 11/11/2011 8:44:54 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Johnny B.

Wow that looks like a scam. Just amazing.


53 posted on 11/11/2011 8:50:09 PM PST by Tolaei1
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To: dynachrome
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54 posted on 11/11/2011 9:43:52 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Your logic is flawed.
***Then show the flaw.
It's self-evident. Even if LENR turns out to be true, that doesn't mean that everyone claiming to be doing it is being truthful.

The fact that there really are electric cars doesn't make Tilley any less of a con artist.

he was familiar with the signs that traditionally signal a scam artist at work .
Yes, just about everything Rossi has done shows the signs of a scam artist at work.
55 posted on 11/12/2011 2:52:48 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo
I don’t know what your problem is with my standard ‘ignore post’ to you, but it sure shows you are thin-skinned.

I responded to your post but apparently you are too offended when I show where I gave up on you.

So, what should be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets but doesn’t offend you to the point that you get it removed?

Really, Kevmo? Three consecutive replies, all saying you don't want to reply.

Someone here has a thin skin.

56 posted on 11/12/2011 2:56:31 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo
***There were all the people who were there at the time. There’s that Domenico Faviorinti dude A photo of Col. Ing. Domenico Fioravanti: http://theeestory.com/posts/215391
What about "that Domenico Faviorinti dude"? As far as I've seen, no one has been able to actually identify him. The only information I've seen about him is that Rossi cleverly insinuated that he was a "Colonel" and made it appear that this was some sort of secret (by writing "Colonel" and then scratching it out).

Colonel Sanders cooked chicken. He as a better reputation as a cold fusion researcher than "Colonel" Faviorinti. At least we know who Colonel Sanders was and what he did. And, by the way, the silly article you linked to, apparently as "evidence", shows absolutely nothing relevant to identifying Faviorinti.

Regarding the long list of "observers". Note that no one who was not one of Rossi's partners were allowed to do any actual testing of any aspect of the dog & pony show. They were allowed to watch a bunch of pipes and boxes just sit there. They had to take Rossi's word that anything at all was actually happening.

There’s Manutencoop Facility Management
So the landlord came to watch the show. I don't read Italian, but while browsing their web site, I see that they do laundry services. Maybe they were hoping to take in shirts while everyone was standing around in all that steam (of course, there wasn't any steam).
57 posted on 11/12/2011 3:12:54 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
"Not only is he reporting on Rossi, but he's a business partner as well."

Jumping to conclusions again, I see. He could be a "vendor" (selling services), or simply have donated the effort because he thinks the e-Cat is real. You apparently "believe Krivit unreservedly", and he is providing an obvious service to the "anti" side of the issue. Is "he" a "business partner" as well???

58 posted on 11/12/2011 3:31:54 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo
Full payment into escrow account.
Escrow funds return to customer if test results are not satisfactory.
Sounds good! Does he offer similar promises to his investors?

He wouldn't be the first con artist who fleeced investors was more lucrative than fleecing customers. Both Tilley and Steorn proudly boasted that they wouldn't take any money from customers until they delivered working devices. Yet each one managed to bilk millions from their investors.

There's more than one way to con someone out of his money.

59 posted on 11/12/2011 3:37:48 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Right Wing Assault
"I think he meant there aren't too many houses that have a 250 kW service. At 220 Volts, that's over 1,000 amps."

The 1MW units aren't for home use. They are for industrial use. I suspect that any industry large enough to need those quantities of hot water/steam will have the necessary available.

Or, they could use the same strategy as on old earth-moving equipment.....a battery starts a small gas engine....the small gas engine starts the bigger diesel. That's basically what was done in the 28 October demo.

I would think that home units would be significantly smaller than 1MW (50KW??) with a commensurate reduction in need for "startup energy".

60 posted on 11/12/2011 3:38:43 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Yeah, right after I posted that I realized that 1 MW was just a bit huge for a house! See my post #26.


61 posted on 11/12/2011 3:41:41 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Is "he" a "business partner" as well???
He's Rossi's web designer. LINK.

At the very least, they have a business relationship, which makes any "stories" Allan publishes suspect.

62 posted on 11/12/2011 3:45:25 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
"At the very least, they have a business relationship, which makes any "stories" Allan publishes suspect."

But Krivit's stuff is all "gospel", right??

63 posted on 11/12/2011 4:00:38 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
But Krivit's stuff is all "gospel", right??
Compared to Stirling D. Allan, certainly.

What I have found, based on reviewing everything I could find, was that Krivit was prepared to give Rossi the benefit of the doubt. He was a first-hand witness of Rossi's E-Cat in operation, and while observing it, discovered that Rossi's device was not doing what Rossi was claiming (it was percolating out liquid water, and not generating much steam at all).

After that, Krivit reported his findings. Rossi and his fans (including you and Kevmo) have been demonizing him ever since. Rossi now refers to him as a "snake" (which I assume is more venomous an insult in Italian [pun intended]).

Meanwhile, Stirling D. Allan has never found a scam that he didn't fall for hook, line and sinker. His other "big" story at the moment is that President Obama has teleported to Mars. Are you willing to accept that story on his say so?

And here's a story by Allan, which glowingly endorses a con man's "perpetual motion" car. LINK.

Allan is, at best, extraordinarily gullible. The fact that he endorses Rossi does not add any credibility to Rossi's claims.

64 posted on 11/12/2011 4:44:34 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
"He was a first-hand witness of Rossi's E-Cat in operation, and while observing it, discovered that Rossi's device was not doing what Rossi was claiming (it was percolating out liquid water, and not generating much steam at all)."

That is Krivit's HYPOTHESIS, which he is selling with all his might. Unfortunately, he does NOT have the scientific credentials to make those kinds of judgements. And the data from the other demos contradicts his position.

"After that, Krivit reported his findings. Rossi and his fans (including you and Kevmo) have been demonizing him ever since."

Yup, and he DESERVES the demonization. He switched from journalist to advocate. Even-handed reporting is not to be found in his blathers.

Meanwhile, Stirling D. Allan has never found a scam that he didn't fall for hook, line and sinker. His other "big" story at the moment is that President Obama has teleported to Mars. Are you willing to accept that story on his say so?

Lord, the man posted the response from the NI manager confirming it. What more verification do you want??

"And here's a story by Allan, which glowingly endorses a con man's "perpetual motion" car. LINK."

Irrelevant.

"Allan is, at best, extraordinarily gullible. The fact that he endorses Rossi does not add any credibility to Rossi's claims."

Which has precisely nothing to do with the truth or falsity of the National Instruments connection.

65 posted on 11/12/2011 5:26:49 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Johnny B.

It’s self-evident. Even if LENR turns out to be true, that doesn’t mean that everyone claiming to be doing it is being truthful.
***That’s real nice. Except that is not what I said.


66 posted on 11/12/2011 8:04:20 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

Kevmo: he was familiar with the signs that traditionally signal a scam artist at work .
JB: Yes, just about everything Rossi has done shows the signs of a scam artist at work.
***Then how is it that Levi, who “he was familiar with the signs that traditionally signal a scam artist at work” came to the conclusion that Rossi was not scamming Unibo?


67 posted on 11/12/2011 8:06:41 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

No, just in case one or 2 of them end up getting pulled, then I know what to write the next time.


68 posted on 11/12/2011 8:07:48 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

Regarding the long list of “observers”. Note that no one who was not one of Rossi’s partners were allowed to do any actual testing of any aspect of the dog & pony show. They were allowed to watch a bunch of pipes and boxes just sit there.
***Sure, on the Oct 28 demo, because it was for the customer’s benefit not others. But the prior demos there was plenty of milling around, dismantling the piece afterwards, weighing, etc.


69 posted on 11/12/2011 8:09:37 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

Then all you need to do is find his investors who are supposedly being fleeced.


70 posted on 11/12/2011 8:11:28 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Sure, on the Oct 28 demo, because it was for the customer’s benefit not others. But the prior demos there was plenty of milling around, dismantling the piece afterwards, weighing, etc.

By shills who are now part of Rossi's company. Maybe that explains how they got away with using the bathroom scale and recording measurements with pencil and paper.

72 posted on 11/12/2011 9:15:42 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Which has precisely nothing to do with the truth or falsity of the National Instruments connection.

I think I'll go into the carpentry business and claim that Home Depot endorses my work because I'm a customer.

73 posted on 11/12/2011 9:21:57 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Then how is it that Levi, who “he was familiar with the signs that traditionally signal a scam artist at work” came to the conclusion that Rossi was not scamming Unibo?

I think Levi is more concerned about scoring big with Rossi's scam than he is about his university.

74 posted on 11/12/2011 9:25:13 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
"I think Levi is more concerned about scoring big with Rossi's scam than he is about his university."

Ain't buyin' that, bubba. And certainly not true of Focardi, who has not much longer in this world. What's his motive?? If it "is" a scam, then his name is sullied forever. Likewise Stremenos, who has even more reputation to lose.

The "they're all in on it" meme is just ridiculous.

75 posted on 11/12/2011 10:13:31 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Most people have their price. And these people who are supposed to be concerned about their reputations obviously had no reservations about being associated with Rossi who has been convicted of crimes for his past business practices.


76 posted on 11/12/2011 10:59:49 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
"Most people have their price. And these people who are supposed to be concerned about their reputations obviously had no reservations about being associated with Rossi who has been convicted of crimes for his past business practices."

Or perhaps, being Italian (or Greek, in the case of Stremenos) themselves, they have a better knowledge of the facts of Rossi's "criminal acts" than either you or I, and have decided that they aren't relevant.

But the RATIONAL (unlike psychoskeptic logic) thing is simply that Rossi's achievement is real. For it to "be a scam" would require Rossi to have suborned several hundred people (all the participants in the demos, all the folks associated with Defkalion, the principles of Ampenergo, and heaven only knows how many more.....and that all those people have managed to keep the scam secret all this time).

Sorry....that notion is simply nuts.

77 posted on 11/12/2011 3:18:52 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

In Kevmos’s words, all the demos were non-scientific and crappy. Most of the observers were passive and the ones who weren’t mostly have turned up on Rossi’s payroll, thus with a major conflict of interest. Defkalion is an unknown company without a history. Ampenergo is an unknown company with a neglected Wordpress template for a website.


78 posted on 11/12/2011 4:26:38 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

• So, what should be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets but doesn’t offend you to the point that you get it removed?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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79 posted on 11/12/2011 9:39:14 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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80 posted on 11/12/2011 9:41:53 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62; Kevmo
"In Kevmos’s words, all the demos were non-scientific and crappy."

In this case, I disagree with Kevmo. The first three were quite well done, and sufficient for proof.

81 posted on 11/13/2011 4:07:43 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Johnny B.

Cautionary Statement for Purposes of the “Safe Harbor” Provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995

Any disclosure and analysis on this website may contain forward-looking information that involves risks and uncertainties. Our forward-looking statements express our current expectations or forecasts of possible future results or events, including projections of future performance, statements of management’s plans and objectives, future contracts, and forecasts of trends and other matters. Forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of their composition, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise such statements to reflect new circumstances or unanticipated events as they occur. You can identify these statements by the fact that they do not relate strictly to historic or current facts and often use words such as “anticipate”, “estimate”, “expect”, “believe,” “will likely result,” “outlook,” “project” and other words and expressions of similar meaning. No assurance can be given that the results in any forward-looking statements will be achieved and actual results could be affected by one or more factors, which could cause them to differ materially. For these statements, we claim the protection of the safe harbor for forward-looking statements contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act.


82 posted on 11/13/2011 4:54:22 PM PST by dinodino
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To: Johnny B.; Kevmo
Apparently, Rossi isn't happy with his new web site:

http://ecatnews.com/?p=1304

Stirling D. Allan is now claiming editorial control of the web site:

http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/

NOTICE: November 13, 2011; 12:30 pm MST
Andrea Rossi has removed his "official" designation from this site. The content herein should be considered under the editorial control of Sterling D. Allan of PES Network, Inc. and not approved by Andrea Rossi. See http://ecatnews.com for chronicle (independent site).
(Kevmo tagged so he could pass this on to the ping list if he wishes.)
83 posted on 11/13/2011 4:57:09 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.; Kevmo; Wonder Warthog; Moonman62; NewinTexsas; count-your-change

Hey, check it out: Rossi is STILL proudly advertising his fraudulent engineering education:

“Later, he continued his formal education by obtaining a chemical engineering degree from the University of Kensington.”

I guess Rossi is to the part of the scam where he needs to get the marks’ money.


84 posted on 11/13/2011 4:57:21 PM PST by dinodino
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To: dinodino
Hey, check it out: Rossi is STILL proudly advertising his fraudulent engineering education:
Maybe not. He has withdrawn his support of the current version of the web site. See my post immediately above yours (and about 3 seconds earlier, heh!)

I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt here. Stirling D. Allan ("The Most Gullible Man In The World!"(tm)) may have added all sorts of goofy stuff, like his coverage of many perpetual motion scams, or his story about President Obama being transported to Mars.

85 posted on 11/13/2011 5:04:15 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: dinodino

In academia, “If you can’t do it, fake it!”


86 posted on 11/13/2011 5:13:21 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Johnny B.
After this mixup between Rossi and Stirling D. Allan, we have to question whether the National Instruments story is valid.

After all, the only source we have for that story is Stirling D. Allan. I'm not aware of any second source, and in particular, I'm not aware of any actual confirmation traceable back to National Instruments.

87 posted on 11/13/2011 5:43:31 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

This also raises questions about Rossi’s choice to rely on someone who is so gullible. Allan has a long history of shilling for scam artists, and Rossi’s association with him just adds to the question of Rossi’s legitimacy.


88 posted on 11/13/2011 5:46:19 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: loungitude
Follow these threads and you will see amazing things. People believe that Rossi is about to revolutionize human civilization.


89 posted on 11/13/2011 5:56:12 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: dinodino
Cautionary Statement for Purposes of the “Safe Harbor” Provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995
Yup. Weasel words to protect him from criminal liability when he fails to deliver working devices.

Rossi had a previous experience with claiming to be able to produce "revolutionary new devices" that supposedly produced far more energy than any existing technology. Unfortunately, his factory burned down, which both justified his lack of any working devices, as well as preventing anyone from examining his work.

Hopefully his new factory (wherever it may be) doesn't suffer the same fate.

90 posted on 11/13/2011 5:57:13 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
I have yet to hear how the spent “fuel” of the e-cat could contain about 11% iron unless this was part of the secret “catalyst”.

And secondly, what role his “signal generator” performs unless it is just a microwave generator heating the metal powder.

91 posted on 11/13/2011 7:40:10 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Certain seagulls like to put words in my mouth. I have said that Rossi sucks at giving demos. But there easily could be a method to his madness. For instance, when the time comes to demo to the customer, he showed enough for them to cart the device away and pay money for it.

So basically, Rossi sucks at giving scientific demos and probably has disdain for most of his critics in the scientific community. From what I have seen of how science has proceeded in the field of LENR, I share much of his disdain.


92 posted on 11/13/2011 10:12:29 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: count-your-change

Didn’t Rossi’s test of the 1 MW “reactor” eliminate the signal generator?

This is a complete and utter scam. Also, I don’t buy for a minute the idea that Sterling Allan (not sure I spelled his name correctly) and Rossi disagree over the site. Rather, I think that Rossi is vigorously claiming not to have approved its content, while allowing it to remain live. This would give the fruitcakes whom believe Rossi’s invention works some more fuel for their fires, while ensuring plausible deniability for Rossi himself.


93 posted on 11/14/2011 3:11:02 AM PST by dinodino
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To: count-your-change
I have yet to hear how the spent “fuel” of the e-cat could contain about 11% iron unless this was part of the secret “catalyst”.
That's because it's MAGIC!!!

Seriously, Rossi claimed at one point that he was getting "unnatural" isotope ratios out of his E-Cat, but it has been reported (in one of the Rossi-supporting web sites) that the Swedish analysis stated that only natural isotope rations existed in the spent fuel.

This is one case where we have a testable set of statements. Artificial isotopes are very expensive, and it is questionable that a con artist would go to the trouble of acquiring some just to "salt" his sample. (It would also put Rossi at risk of exposing his fraud, if a supplier of such isotopes were to report that he was buying just those isotopes that later showed up in his sample.)

Rossi apparently has a legitimate analysis of his spent "fuel". All he has to do is authorize the lab to release the test results. The fact that he won't do so is yet another fact that seems strange if he's legit, but makes complete sense if he's a fraud.

94 posted on 11/14/2011 4:36:49 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: dinodino
Didn’t Rossi’s test of the 1 MW “reactor” eliminate the signal generator?
Yes, I noticed that too. Isn't it interesting that it was needed for each of the dog & pony shows where outsiders were able to make at least some observations, but wasn't needed when only insiders were allowed anywhere near the device?

Horace Heffner, on the Vortex mailing list, has been doing some modeling that shows a hidden valve to redirect water to or away from a hot core could produce the results that were observed in almost all of the tests. Such a valve could have been controlled (and even powered, if necessary) by such a "frequency generator".

It may be that he only needs such things when he has to fool people. When everyone actually working on the device is in on the scam, it's not needed.

And, as I pointed out earlier, after several weeks, I haven't seen any evidence at all that the "NATO Colonel" who Rossi claimed represented his "secret customer", existed prior to the day of the test.

95 posted on 11/14/2011 4:49:02 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Wonder Warthog
Jumping to conclusions again, I see. He could be a "vendor" (selling services), or simply have donated the effort because he thinks the e-Cat is real.
Given Allan's long history of believing every scam he's ever met, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that he believes Rossi. If anything, that makes Rossi less believable.

Whether Allan was Rossi's partner, he was certainly Rossi's shill. Here's the text Allan posts at the bottom of his Rossi "articles":

What You Can Do

  1. Pass this on to your friends and favorite news sources.
  2. Join the H-Ni_Fusion technical discussion group to explore the details of the technology.
  3. Once available, purchase a unit and/or encourage others who are able, to do so.
  4. Let professionals in the renewable energy sector know about the promise of this technology.
  5. Subscribe to our newsletter to stay abreast of the latest, greatest developments in the free energy sector.
  6. Consider investing in Rossi's group once they open to that in October.
  7. Help us manage the PESWiki feature page on Rossi's technology.
In other words, help him stir up the hype, and send money.

And let's keep in mind that the only bit of "legitimate" news (that National Instruments is selling controllers to Rossi) is based solely on Stirling Allan's statement to the fact. As far as I know, N.I. has not actually released any sort of press release.

96 posted on 11/14/2011 5:07:33 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo
Certain seagulls like to put words in my mouth. I have said that Rossi sucks at giving demos. But there easily could be a method to his madness. For instance, when the time comes to demo to the customer, he showed enough for them to cart the device away and pay money for it.
Have you finally found some actual evidence of this? Or are you still relying totally on Rossi's unsubstantiated claim that this happened.
97 posted on 11/14/2011 5:11:53 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
Rossi has said the “fuel” was doped with Ni-62 and Ni-64, neither difficult to obtain but no fusion process taking place there is going to produce iron. I can only assume it's part of his “catalyst”.

Very curious.

98 posted on 11/14/2011 5:15:28 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Sundog

Can I sell you a poster-sized full color glossy of a concept image? (it comes with an instruction manual and thumbtacks)


99 posted on 11/14/2011 5:15:29 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Johnny B.
"And let's keep in mind that the only bit of "legitimate" news (that National Instruments is selling controllers to Rossi) is based solely on Stirling Allan's statement to the fact. As far as I know, N.I. has not actually released any sort of press release."

About as accurate as everything else you've posted (which is to say....not at all). David Passerini also "broke" that news.

But you're too busy pursuing "Randian" blog commentaries to check primary sources.....again as usual.

100 posted on 11/14/2011 5:29:19 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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