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Ron Bracken: Climate of secrecy led to crumbling of Camelot
CentreDaily.com (State College, PA) ^ | Nov. 11, 2011 | Ron Bracken

Posted on 11/11/2011 8:45:31 PM PST by Colofornian

So this is how it ends, a career that was once glistening and unassailable, collapses under the weight of an unimaginable scandal?

We all, those of us who observed Joe Paterno and his program over many years, felt that it would end badly for him but none of us could have concocted such a horrific denouement.

Maybe he would let his anger get the best of him and he’d physically assault an official or a member of the media. Or maybe he would say something so egregious or ill-considered that he couldn’t undo it. But no one would have, could have, ever foreseen that his demise would be the result of a terrible lack of judgment involving a sordid crime against children. That was unthinkable from a man who by all accounts cherished family and children.

But in the end, not being morally outraged at the alleged misconduct of Jerry Sandusky, once one of his most valued and trusted assistants, caused Paterno’s career to crumble like an ancient building in an earthquake.

It’s way premature to make any statement about what his legacy will be. History will determine that. It’s not premature, however, to say that it will be stained by the revelations of the past week. If you include his 409 wins you also have to include this sordid episode. If you include his philanthropy toward his university you must also recognize his failure to protect young lives from the alleged advances of a predator.

He may not have known what happened prior to 1998 when the first incident involving Sandusky and a child are reported to have occurred but from that moment on he should have been on high alert to the possibility of it happening again.

Maybe he was. Maybe he was and chose to ignore or dismiss the warning signs that had to have been there. We can’t profess to know. What we do know is that by his inaction a man was enabled to listen to whatever demons haunted him and do their bidding.

How could this happen in Happy Valley, the Camelot of college football?

To answer that you have to understand the culture that has prevailed for at least as long as Paterno was in charge of the football program. It was, right up until he was removed from his position Wednesday night, a climate of Kremlin-like secrecy, of tightly-controlled access, of rule by dynamic terror. It was understood that if you wanted to be around his program in a professional aspect, you did so at his pleasure and by his rules.

And that kind of climate is a petri dish for what happened in what must now be called the Sandusky Scandal.

But the toxic climate isn’t confined to the football program at Penn State. It’s pervasive on the campus from the lowest worker in the Office of the Physical Plant to the corner offices in Old Main. It’s all about keeping your mouth shut, doing your job, looking the other way at the various indiscretions and currying favor with those above you in the food chain in order to keep or improve your position. Stray from these guidelines at your own peril.

Of course the ESPN’s of the world don’t care about a carpenter or a secretary. It’s football that draws their cameras and drives their ratings. And when a scandal as salacious as this one is uncovered, it’s hard to find parking spaces for all of the satellite trucks that roll into town.

They can’t conceive of how something like this could take place in such an idyllic setting. That’s because they’ve never been able to peek behind the cloak of secrecy that enshrouds the Football Complex and its occupants.

Perhaps two isolated incidents can help them understand just how controlling Paterno was and how image-conscious the school is.

It was in the preseason of either the 1985 or 1986 season and, as was standard procedure at the time, a call was placed to Paterno after the first week just to get an update on how things were proceeding at that point. Various personnel questions were asked and answered until the final one, which was about the injury situation. “Nothing out of the ordinary, just the usual bumps and bruises,’’ Paterno said.

As came to light only an hour or so later, at the very time he was saying nothing unusual had happened, one of his players was laying in a hospital bed in Hershey, partially paralyzed from a practice collision. By most standards that is not only unusual but newsworthy. Fortunately, the player recovered and went on to finish his career at Penn State.

But were it not for a phone call from the player’s hometown paper, which had been told of the injury by the player’s family, it would have never come to light. For whatever reason, Paterno elected to be less than honest about it.

Flash ahead to 1992. J.T. Morris, a talented running back, wanted to leave Penn State. Paterno refused to sign his release, as he did last winter with Rob Bolden. A call to Morris confirmed that he was at home in Virginia working in a post office waiting for Paterno to release him. “My future is not in my hands now,’’ Morris said. “It lies in a pen on Joe Paterno’s desk.’’

When contacted for comment on Morris’ comments, Paterno dismissed them, saying he and J.T. would talk. A short time later the phone on my desk rang and it was Budd Thalman, Penn State’s sports information director at the time. He was asking about the conversation with Morris, wanting to know what J.T. had said. And when he was told that I wouldn’t divulge specifics, only saying that it wasn’t complimentary to Paterno and the football program, his response was classic Penn State: “I just worry that it (the story) will hurt the (football) program.’’

God forbid that would happen. But that’s the attitude that prevails at Penn State: Protect the image at all costs and if the truth has to be whitewashed to hide it, well, break out the buckets and brushes.

And that’s how this current debacle was allowed to take root and grow. Any word of it leaking out would damage the pristine image. So one after another, five adult males dismissed it as inconsequential, doing the bare minimum to even acknowledge it, then passing it up the chain of command and getting back to the business of cultivating and polishing the image. So at the risk of an unsightly blemish on the program, young lives were permanently altered in terrible ways.

Now Penn State’s precious image and reputation have suffered the very thing it tried so hard to avoid — national exposure as a place where an assistant football coach allegedly was enabled to prey on and victimize young boys and men who could have stopped it looked away.

And now, for the first time in a long time, that is an image that is accurate.

Ron Bracken is former sports editor of the Centre Daily Times.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: abuse; joepaterno; paterno; pennstate; pennsylvania; sandusky; secrecy
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From the column: ...no one would have, could have, ever foreseen that his demise would be the result of a terrible lack of judgment involving a sordid crime against children. That was unthinkable from a man who by all accounts cherished family and children. But in the end, not being morally outraged at the alleged misconduct of Jerry Sandusky, once one of his most valued and trusted assistants, caused Paterno’s career to crumble like an ancient building in an earthquake.

From the article: He may not have known what happened prior to 1998 when the first incident involving Sandusky and a child are reported to have occurred but from that moment on he should have been on high alert to the possibility of it happening again.

See...Paterno defenders...even the former sports editor in State College finds it hard to believe that Paterno didn't know about the 1998 pedophile activities of his assistant coach.

From the column: you have to understand the culture that has prevailed for at least as long as Paterno was in charge of the football program. It was, right up until he was removed from his position Wednesday night, a climate of Kremlin-like secrecy, of tightly-controlled access, of rule by dynamic terror. It was understood that if you wanted to be around his program in a professional aspect, you did so at his pleasure and by his rules. And that kind of climate is a petri dish for what happened in what must now be called the Sandusky Scandal.

1 posted on 11/11/2011 8:45:32 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

PSU will not live this down in my lifetime. It is a catastrophe not ever imagined in Academia. The story is disgusting and the blind eye is criminal.


2 posted on 11/11/2011 8:54:12 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

Misplaced loyalty was more important than protecting the innocent children.


3 posted on 11/11/2011 9:07:32 PM PST by charlie72
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To: Colofornian

Yes, those supporting Paterno are just in denial.


4 posted on 11/11/2011 9:09:40 PM PST by mrsloungitude ( USMC Mom)
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To: Colofornian
One of the comments from the cited source is:

I didn't think it was possible, but Penn State has been able to make Michael Vick look like a choir boy...

5 posted on 11/11/2011 9:12:04 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: charlie72
Misplaced loyalty was more important than protecting the innocent children.

"My honor is my loyalty."

Didn't work before and doesn't work now.

6 posted on 11/11/2011 9:20:33 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: charlie72

I guess you could call it that. If I saw a man of authority raping a small boy I don’t think my career would come to mind. GOD is very dis-pleased and it now shows the destruction of an entire university.


7 posted on 11/11/2011 9:21:23 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Colofornian

HOW?

With all the problems in the world...5000 people rioted...over a football coach getting fired.....that kind of thinking is how it happened


8 posted on 11/11/2011 9:25:18 PM PST by skaterboy (Hate=Love....Love=Hate)
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To: eyedigress
PSU will not live this down in my lifetime. It is a catastrophe not ever imagined in Academia. The story is disgusting and the blind eye is criminal.

I hope you're right. We've seen a President's sexual entertainment in the Oval office swept under the carpet by the MSM. Of course, they had a reason to; that particular President was carrying their ideological water for them.

Penn State shouldn't expect the same treatment, unless the ideological angle comes into play.

If this scandal must go into the memory hole to protect the gay agenda, into the memory hole it will go. Or, at least, the MSM will try to put it there.

The media's attempts to cover for Clinton worked, to a point, but at a huge cost to the media itself. They lost a substantial chunk of their prestige, and of their audience, as a result of it.

I wonder if there are people somewhere, this very night, calculating the potential costs of such an effort taken again in this case. They surely know that their ability to sweep the mess off stage is much less than it was 15 years ago. They also have, or will have, heavy pressures on them from the "gay axis." The risk is, of course, that they do a Clinton-style rescue mission, with a full-court press to legitimize sodomy of children, to claim that it's "the new normal" ... and the effort fails. Not only do they waste all those resources trying to push the rope, but they lose another big chunk of audience, credibility, and prestige.

I know that sounds bizarre, but I thought the whole Lewinsky thing was utterly bizarre, and the fact that Clinton survived it completely shifted my view of the reality of America as a society. We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

Will they try it? It seems, by all that is Holy, that they cannot. They must not. They won't be able to keep the larger story bottled up.

But if they can't, and if this goes beyond the isolated cases of Sandusky and Victims 1 through 9 (or whatever the upper bound is now)... if it comes out that Sandusky was passing these children around in return for some sort of compensation, it could alter the gay agenda in America. That will release powerful emotions among an element of the population that has become accustomed to getting its way no matter how outrageous its demands.

And this going into a Presidential election season. Obama is counting on support from homosexuals; they're one of his core constituencies. They will make demands on him with regard to this case and to fallout from it.

9 posted on 11/11/2011 9:26:22 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Steely Tom

I understand the media reference but God has a special place for children. PSU could care less apparently. They will care now.


10 posted on 11/11/2011 9:31:16 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Steely Tom

BTW, Obama will stay so far away from this his mouth will dry up.


11 posted on 11/11/2011 9:33:30 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
My son is 15 and said he wouldn't go to Penn State even on a full ride now. As he opined, "A lifetime of stale jokes about getting a degree from 'Pedd State' is nothing to look forward to."

Oh, did I mention? His mother and uncle are alumni.

12 posted on 11/11/2011 9:34:17 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: eyedigress
BTW, Obama will stay so far away from this his mouth will dry up.

Au contraire, he ran his mouth about it today.

13 posted on 11/11/2011 9:36:22 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

I really do feel sorry for the students and especially the seniors having a great season. This is a magnitude of liability never seen in history. This school is bankrupt.


14 posted on 11/11/2011 9:36:54 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
I really do feel sorry for the students and especially the seniors having a great season.

I agree.

It will be interesting to see the rate of transfers from PSU next spring and the number of applications for admission next fall. I think a lot of high school kids, especially out of staters, just tossed the Penn State package in the trash.

15 posted on 11/11/2011 9:40:55 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Are you still in Ohio


16 posted on 11/11/2011 9:41:33 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
Are you still in Ohio

Yes, Columbus suburbs.

17 posted on 11/11/2011 9:42:59 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Just tell them to get far enough away for freedom and close enough for help. Ohio has a plethora of good schools.


18 posted on 11/11/2011 9:44:59 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

He’s actually interested in Miami of Ohio and the University of Cincinnati. Both are good in-state choices that are two hours away.


19 posted on 11/11/2011 9:47:08 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: eyedigress
BTW, Obama will stay so far away from this his mouth will dry up.

He would like to, but I wonder if he can.

Homosexuals tend to be pretty much perfectly bipolar about politicians, as I see it. They decide whether you're for them or against them, and if your against them you are excoriated and threatened in the most flamboyant ways they can concoct.

If Obama wants to stay in their "good graces" (what an obscenity to use that term in this context) he's going to have to help them out with this, particularly if it metasticizes and we discover that powerful homosexuals used Sandusky's charity boy-toy factory as portable R&R. The backlash from straight America will be fearsome in that case, and Obama's going to be behind the eight ball with the homosexuals.

I'll tell you something, and I hate to say it. Many problems will be solved if Sandusky is taken out of the picture. Problems of people who don't like to have problems.

20 posted on 11/11/2011 9:47:15 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Steely Tom

I think he will take himself out of the picture. Freedom isn’t Free.


21 posted on 11/11/2011 9:49:53 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Steely Tom

Both Sandusky and McQueary (who is hidden away, under guard, with some rumors saying he’s been moved out of state.)


22 posted on 11/11/2011 9:50:56 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Both good. Miami would be my advice for very obtuse reasons but kids need a mind of their own.


23 posted on 11/11/2011 9:52:10 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
I think he will take himself out of the picture. Freedom isn’t Free.

Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

In any event, if that does happen, I am quite sure it will look like he takes himself out of the picture.

Or, maybe, he just disappears. Without a trace. And his computer's hard drives are found crushed in a river somewhere nearby.

24 posted on 11/11/2011 9:52:28 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Steely Tom

Which is being revisited as we speak.


25 posted on 11/11/2011 9:55:36 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Steely Tom

What broke this story, I’m to tired to look it up.


26 posted on 11/11/2011 9:56:51 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: buccaneer81

Let em’ consider this as well......

Stagg family thinking of removing Paterno’s name from Big-10 trophy


27 posted on 11/11/2011 9:59:55 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

I’m tired too.

I just saw it somewhere in FR.

Sandusky got indicted last Sunday night. 40 counts of sexual abuse against a child. That’s when the SHTF. It was, apparantly, brewing for at least six months, and many knew about it. The Governor of Pennsylvania knew about it and had to be very very careful what he let slip to the University trustees. He apparantly tried to guide them toward a soft(er) landing, but they didn’t take the hint.


28 posted on 11/11/2011 10:02:24 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Steely Tom

I found something closer but the leak is hidden.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_a_penn_state_un.html


29 posted on 11/11/2011 10:04:18 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

That’s fine by me. Let’s face it, his win total is absolutely irrelevant now. It’s worse off than HR numbers from Bonds, McGwire and Sosa.


30 posted on 11/11/2011 10:08:13 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: eyedigress

Sorry. I said Sunday, but that story said it was Friday, by which I assume they mean last Friday, 4 October.


31 posted on 11/11/2011 10:08:18 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: eyedigress; Steely Tom
April 3, 2011

Madden: Sandusky A State Secret

32 posted on 11/11/2011 10:11:16 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: All
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33 posted on 11/11/2011 10:12:01 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: buccaneer81

Yes, I saw that article last night.

Thanks.


34 posted on 11/11/2011 10:20:59 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: buccaneer81

I heard about that column a few days ago but never read it.
Thanks for posting the link.
From April 4th. Wow. Un-freaking-believable.


35 posted on 11/11/2011 10:23:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: eyedigress
you must also recognize his failure to protect young lives from the alleged advances of a predator.

and the bottom line....we are a nation which no longer protects it's children.

36 posted on 11/11/2011 10:32:41 PM PST by caww
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To: charlie72
It’s all about keeping your mouth shut, doing your job, looking the other way at the various indiscretions and currying favor with those above you in the food chain in order to keep or improve your position. Stray from these guidelines at your own peril.

...and that's in every company, industry, and place of work throughout our country. It just doesn't make the news for the most part.

37 posted on 11/11/2011 10:36:01 PM PST by caww
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To: Lancey Howard; Steely Tom
Don't be surprised to see madden and a little podunk Western Pennsylvania newspaper be nominated for Pulitzers.

You heard it here first.

38 posted on 11/11/2011 10:36:07 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: caww
and the bottom line....we are a nation which no longer protects it's children.

It's worse than that - we are a nation which no longer protects it's people.

I other words, you want Feminist Liberal Mexican Muslim fries with that?

39 posted on 11/11/2011 10:41:35 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Colofornian

After Sandusky “retired” he applied to several colleges for a job, including Maryland and a couple of others on the east coast. No takers. The coaching community is a gabby, tight-knit community. Everybody knew about Jerry’s “problem” and nobody wanted anything to do with him.

Paterno had to know about the 1998 incident, and probably more, and we know he got a direct witness earful about Sandusky from Carrottop the Coward in 2002. This stuff happened on Joe’s watch. Count me OFF the “make excuses for Joe Pa” bandwagon. I am sick up to here about it, but oh well. How many more kids were molested by Sandusky thanks to Joe Pa and the rest of the Penn State enablers?

The state should tear down that university and sell it off brick by brick and make millionaires out of every victim and refund full tuition money to all current students as well as to everybody who has ever put “Penn State” on a resume.

(spit)

Lancey Howard (’75)


40 posted on 11/11/2011 10:42:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: buccaneer81
Don't be surprised to see madden and a little podunk Western Pennsylvania newspaper be nominated for Pulitzers.

You heard it here first.

Not a slam-dunk, I don't think. The Pulitzer committee doesn't go out of the way to bestow favor on those who inconvenience the homosexual march to oblivion.

Still, you may be right, and I hope you are.

41 posted on 11/11/2011 10:45:50 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Lancey Howard

Lancey,

I appreciate your objectivity when this has been pure turmoil for grads like you.

I don’t envy being in your situation — or those 40,000 students part of the university.


42 posted on 11/11/2011 11:21:32 PM PST by Colofornian (The Perv State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Colofornian

The article mentioned “five men”. Does that include McQueary’s (sp) dad who knew about the ten year old boy in the shower?

I saw on espn tonight that McQueary told his players “I’m done.”


43 posted on 11/11/2011 11:25:19 PM PST by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Carrot Top has told his players “I’m done.” He should be and his dad should be questioned, too. You’d think eventually his dad would ask his son “What ever happened about that incident with the coach and the ten year old?”


44 posted on 11/11/2011 11:27:40 PM PST by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: eyedigress; All
I guess you could call it that. If I saw a man of authority raping a small boy I don’t think my career would come to mind. GOD is very dis-pleased and it now shows the destruction of an entire university.

I agree with you but allow me to take this in another parallel direction.

None of us are unaware of what abortion is. Many of us are aware of exactly where the abortion clinics are.

Fortunately there are 2/3rds less abortion clinics in this country than say, about 20 years ago...thanks to God, in part, operating thru the pro-life movement...

But I bring this up not so much to digress so that we talk about abortion victims the rest of the thread...but simply as a reminder -- including myself -- to watch my/our sense of smugness here.

It's easy to say that if we knew about "doctors" (abortionists) dismembering very small boys and girls, that we wouldn't think about our careers but do everything we could peaceably to intervene so that these pre-borns wouldn't have to suffer...but, really...do we as a people?

I don't think so. With the same fingers we rightfully point with indignation @ Michael McQueary...those fingers could also be ones God points at us for failing to protect the womb...which is STILL the most dangerous place to be alive on this planet.

Now I know there's a HUGE difference 'tween rescuing a child being raped vs. trying to rescue a pre-born child, but even if we speak generically of this...are we willing as a nation to start putting our young children ahead of our careers?

Think about it. Meditate upon it.

45 posted on 11/11/2011 11:31:47 PM PST by Colofornian (The Perv State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Terry Mross
The article mentioned “five men”. Does that include McQueary’s (sp) dad who knew about the ten year old boy in the shower?

I would think that would be McQueary, Paterno, Schultz, Curley & Spanier. They all knew. They all had Penn State paychecks. They all compromised children because they all made a covenant with the spirit of child rape.

We all need to ask ourselves: Where have any of us made a covenant with spirits we otherwise militate against?

In the interest of protecting ourselves, our paychecks, our career goals, our reputation, have any of us, for example, made a "covenant" with the spirit of death? (The spirit who oversees the abortion industry)

Where perhaps have we "gone along" with the abortion industry so as to not rock any boats or ruffled feathers?

46 posted on 11/11/2011 11:38:39 PM PST by Colofornian (The Perv State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Terry Mross
You’d think eventually his dad would ask his son

Guess what? The father of former Penn State quarterback McQueary was as much an enabler of the predatory homosexual pedophile Sandusky as anybody else who knew what Sandusky was and looked the other way for a decade or more. The father didn't one night hear a shocking and sordid eyewitness account of a legendary coach engaging in violent gay pedophilia in the team showers from his anguished son and then forget all about it. He has probably thought about it every day of his life. ALL of them are enablers. It simply boggles my mind that not ONE adult stepped up and pressed the cops to confront Sandusky. Not one.

/bile spit

47 posted on 11/12/2011 12:16:04 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Colofornian
Another question that nags: Forget about the cops for a minute - - why did not a single person ( I'm looking at you, Joe Pa) walk up to Sandusky directly and say to his face, "Jerry, I heard something very disturbing..."

Yeah, Paterno made his own bed in this thing. Good bye, Joe Pa. It's been real.

Real illusory.

48 posted on 11/12/2011 12:32:55 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Another question that nags: Forget about the cops for a minute - - why did not a single person ( I'm looking at you, Joe Pa) walk up to Sandusky directly and say to his face, "Jerry, I heard something very disturbing..."

Very good question...and one I haven't seen anybody else raise yet.

It's not as if they didn't go "way back" together.
And it's not as if JoePa would have had to even go out of his way to ask, given the frequent appearances JS made on campus.

Of course, the practical aspect of considering this is: Would any of us really expect the double-life JS to "come clean" to such a query from JoePa?

Doubt it.

In this sense, we don't know if Joe ever confronted JS or not...but you know what...

If I was a civil attorney in litigation with JoePa and with Penn State...and he was being depositioned...guess what question I'd ask him:

"Mr. Paterno: How often did you see Jerry Sandusky on campus between March of 2002 and say, the year 2008? Mr. Paterno: Did you ever any of those times query Mr. Sandusky along the lines of...'Jerry, I heard something very disturbing...'??"

49 posted on 11/12/2011 1:20:11 AM PST by Colofornian (The Perv State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Lancey Howard

When have you ever read in a situation like this that only a single pervert was involved?


50 posted on 11/12/2011 1:42:23 AM PST by Melchior
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