Here is that link, for all who are interested, AND for photo credit.
(cool picture, interesting device)
Posted on 11/12/2011 4:10:15 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
Here is that link, for all who are interested, AND for photo credit.
(cool picture, interesting device)
I can't find the article I was reading but it had a wealth of information. Unlike the E-Cat, these things show promise that is duplicated at other labs. When I find the paper, I'll post it.
This is what Rossi needs, someone independent takes Rossi's plans and builds a working E-Cat. I understand him wanting to get credit and profit from this but the Polywell folks aren't operating in such an unsavory manner.
I'm not aware of SANS. And the search terms I'm coming up with aren't coming up with anything that seems related.
"This is what Rossi needs, someone independent takes Rossi's plans and builds a working E-Cat. I understand him wanting to get credit and profit from this but the Polywell folks aren't operating in such an unsavory manner."
Actually, Polywell is performing just like Rossi "wanted" to do...operating in very strict secrecy. And IMO, it is not Rossi that is "operating in such an unsavory manner", but his critics.
I just finished reading a post by "Mary Yugo" over on Vortex-L. She (or it) has been a HUGE critic of CF (and Rossi in particular) with voluminous postings on about ever possible related forum....yet she admits to having barely studied the papers on the subject and not understanding those few that she "did" read.
What exactly is the above line's purpose? Is it to imply that all of Rossi's critics haven't even studied his work yet they're criticizing it?
I never said I was a nuclear expert but I do know electronics and I don't dismiss CF out of hand. I do have a problem with Rossi and his traveling road show of demos. I've been studying this CF or Zero Point Energy for a while. Look up Joseph Newman, don't bother, I'll do it for you:
His site:
http://www.josephnewman.com/
Read a little of his 'theory', you will laugh.
Step right up, the Big Eureka!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4046889525089046946&hl=en
Now, I'll admit this guy is far worse than Rossi and the way he rapes e=MC2 is laughable.
A company that winds motors offered to build a professional prototype of his motor. The deal was they would build 2, he gets one and the company gets one. Now read how he operates, it's worth reading to the end:
http://www.zpenergy.com/downloads/biss.htm
Here's Joe's motor running a truck:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3484490731703421398&hl=en
God told Joe how to build his machine:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1836306637510497206&hl=en
Granted, Rossi looks like a genius compared to this guy. Oh yeah, the power brokers, the oil companies and I guess the Illuminati are suppressing his machine.
He's also got a couple of PhDs that are standing behind him so he says.
Watch the videos, they're good for a laugh.
In the last video, he's asking people to send him $1, just $1 to save the world.
Now, do you see why I'm skeptical.
I would love Rossi's E-Cat to work. It would be a miracle, we don't need it to run cars but getting rid of the energy to heat buildings and anything else that needs heat would free up oil for a many more years.
Did Focardi make Rossi open his blog, The Journal of Nuclear Physics, where Rossi blabs away every chance he gets?
Two different companies:
Precisely.
"I never said I was a nuclear expert but I do know electronics and I don't dismiss CF out of hand. I do have a problem with Rossi and his traveling road show of demos.
And what specific problem do you have?? That he's done public demonstrations?? Note that ROSSI did not want to do public demonstrations. He did that because his collaborator, Focardi, wanted to show his colleagues what had been accomplished.
"I've been studying this CF or Zero Point Energy for a while."
The two aren't even remotely related. And the fact that you equate the two pretty much tells me that you haven't studied the issue at all.
"Look up Joseph Newman, don't bother, I'll do it for you:
Am I to assume that Joseph Newman is what you were referring to by "SAN"?? Which was the question I asked, but which you haven't answered.
"Now, do you see why I'm skeptical.
I see that you're doing precisely what "Mary Yugo" has done...criticising without researching the topic.
1) A SAN is a storage area network of which EMC2 is a major player. If they are involved in this then they must see something there. I wouldn't get all high and mighty on your technical chops if you don't even know what a SAN is or were too lazy to look it up or both.
"I've been studying this CF or Zero Point Energy for a while."
2) I forgot, it's impossible to study two different subjects even though they are in the same realm, the to good to be true realm. I hope I'm wrong.
3) I'm not going to re-hash the same arguments that have been going on for many months. I will give a small sample though.
3a) Rossi's Petroldragon was quite a catastrophe but Rossi made money, I wonder how the Italians feel about cleaning up his mess.
3b) He names his companies after legitimate companies that are somehow in the same field. Look it up, Google is > away.
3c) Let's assume the E-Cat works as described. So, the mysterious company is willing to take a device that leaks water ???, has who knows how much radioactive material inside it (I don't think this but his fanboys of which you are a member do), Apparently the need for a control system entered Rossi's brain after he has built his first device for a 'customer'.
3d) What is the mysterious device that destroys the secret catalyst if an unauthorized users tries to break into the reactor? Does he have insurance?
3e) His last breakthrough device had the factory mysteriously burn down before the military could look at it and apparently, all the knowledge to make another was destroyed in that fire as well.
Are you really this dense or are you playing for the crowd or are you in the military looking for a section 8 discharge?
If he wants to convince someone, he should hook up with James Randi (The Amazing Randi) http://forums.randi.org/, and apply for the million dollar prize? What's the matter, does the device only work when Rossi is there? What's the matter WW, did you finally notice that the emperor hasn't any clothes?
In all these threads, lots of people have laid out how to do a legitimate test to convince the skeptics? Why doesn't Rossi pick the cheapest one that has the theoretical ability to test this thing and shut all of us up. This is one place where I would be overjoyed if I was wrong.
"SAN" is a three letter acronym which could stand for a huge number of different things. Since the subject we were discussing was ENERGY, I assumed that a search on SAN and some energy term would yield a result. The problem is your lack of clarity, not my lack of "technical chops".
"2) I forgot, it's impossible to study two different subjects even though they are in the same realm, the to good to be true realm. I hope I'm wrong."
Cold fusion has a HUGE amount of experimental evidence built up (and is beginning to coalesce around the beginnings of a theory). As far as I know, Newman's gizmo has nothing other than his own "say-so". So, NO, they are not "in the same realm". Not even remotely.
"3a) Rossi's Petroldragon was quite a catastrophe but Rossi made money, I wonder how the Italians feel about cleaning up his mess."
Excuse me??? Rossi made money?? B.S. Rossi lost his shirt, and everything else he owned. Came to the US dead broke and started over totally from scratch.
"He names his companies after legitimate companies that are somehow in the same field. Look it up, Google is > away.
Oh lord. How asinine. Rossi has a "thing" for "Leonardo". He's ITALIAN, so naturally he would pick the name of the most famous Italian artisan/artist/scientist of all time.
"3c) Let's assume the E-Cat works as described. So, the mysterious company is willing to take a device that leaks water ???"
Didn't bother to read THAT report either, did you?? The leaks were noted by the company's "validator" as something that needed to be fixed. I have to assume that either the leaks were trivial and fixed before the E-Cat was hauled away, or a maintenance visit to do so was was arranged. What is supposed to be unusual about that?
"His last breakthrough device had the factory mysteriously burn down before the military could look at it and apparently, all the knowledge to make another was destroyed in that fire as well."
Nice regurgitation of the psychoskeptic "fraud" meme. Unfortunately, the above scenario doesn't match any of the facts. But you did't read THAT report either.
"Are you really this dense or are you playing for the crowd or are you in the military looking for a section 8 discharge?"
The only apparent "section 8" candidate around here appears to be you.
"If he wants to convince someone, he should hook up with James Randi (The Amazing Randi) http://forums.randi.org/, and apply for the million dollar prize?"
I guess you missed the little detail that one of the two Swedish physicists was a ranking member of Swedens equivalent of the "Randi organization".
"What's the matter, does the device only work when Rossi is there?
It seemed to work just fine without Rossi during the 18 hour "no-steam" test, when Rossi, Levi, and Bianchi LEFT FOR THE NIGHT with NO operators in attendance other than a video camera.
"In all these threads, lots of people have laid out how to do a legitimate test to convince the skeptics? Why doesn't Rossi pick the cheapest one that has the theoretical ability to test this thing and shut all of us up.
He did...Guiseppe Levi....who is ALSO a member of the Italian version of the Randi organization. As a full professor of nuclear physics, he also certainly has the "theoretical ability" to "test this thing".
The first three tests were MORE than sufficient to prove the point. The criticisms of them are simply bogus (and I have the in-depth technical ability and background to legitimately make that statement). The only legitimate point brought up in the first two ("wet steam") was adequately disproved by the third.
"This is one place where I would be overjoyed if I was wrong."
You can shout for joy, then....because YOU'RE WRONG.
Also ignorant, but that is curable. Stop reading "Randi" commentaries and study the actual reports about LENR (LENR-CANR.org......LIBRARY section).and the actual documents from the first three Rossi/Levi demos/tests (found many places, but also available at LENR-CANR.org).
Wrong again, the problem is your untreated Dunning–Kruger effect syndrome but it is treatable. Ask ten people what SAN stands for. I looked it up under Google and it's the first one posted, please get help.
Pathetic, admit it, you didn't know what 99% of computer people know and now you're trying to weasel your way out of it. Again, your reading comprehension sucks. The reason I brought up SANS was that EMC2 is a major player and if they see something, then this thing might actually work. Would you like to work on RAID next or maybe that's too advanced so lets start with DOS.
"2) I forgot, it's impossible to study two different subjects even though they are in the same realm, the to good to be true realm. I hope I'm wrong."
Cold fusion has a HUGE amount of experimental evidence built up (and is beginning to coalesce around the beginnings of a theory). As far as I know, Newman's gizmo has nothing other than his own "say-so". So, NO, they are not "in the same realm". Not even remotely.
There's that reading comprehension thing again. I brought up Newman to simply show how these scammers operate.
"3a) Rossi's Petroldragon was quite a catastrophe but Rossi made money, I wonder how the Italians feel about cleaning up his mess."
Excuse me??? Rossi made money?? B.S. Rossi lost his shirt, and everything else he owned. Came to the US dead broke and started over totally from scratch.
You've seen his bank statements? Sorry, I don't buy Rossi coming here with just his shoulder on his back and then up to owning a house in Florida.
"He names his companies after legitimate companies that are somehow in the same field. Look it up, Google is > away.
Oh lord. How asinine. Rossi has a "thing" for "Leonardo". He's ITALIAN, so naturally he would pick the name of the most famous Italian artisan/artist/scientist of all time.
You seem to fancy yourself as some sort of Internet Nancy Drew, do a little research, Leonardo isn't the only one.
Didn't bother to read THAT report either, did you?? The leaks were noted by the company's "validator" as something that needed to be fixed. I have to assume that either the leaks were trivial and fixed before the E-Cat was hauled away, or a maintenance visit to do so was was arranged. What is supposed to be unusual about that?
"His last breakthrough device had the factory mysteriously burn down before the military could look at it and apparently, all the knowledge to make another was destroyed in that fire as well."
Nice regurgitation of the psychoskeptic "fraud" meme. Unfortunately, the above scenario doesn't match any of the facts. But you did't read THAT report either.
There you go again, hand waiving away the discrepancies. Are you saying his US factory didn't burn down?
Are you on his payroll? You're pathetic hysterics, your false outrage and attacks against other scientists, I'd ask what he paying you but your research and writing are so juvenile that I'd hate to think that you work for the US and that I'm somehow paying your salary.
Might I suggest some warm milk and relaxing bath.
Guess what, jerk.....I'm not a "computer person"....I'm a chemist. Different areas entirely, with different bases of background understanding. "Networks" is NOT the first thing that springs to mind, when talking about ENERGY.
"You've seen his bank statements? Sorry, I don't buy Rossi coming here with just his shoulder on his back and then up to owning a house in Florida."
Do you honestly think that the Italian authorities left him with anything??
"There you go again, hand waiving away the discrepancies. Are you saying his US factory didn't burn down?"
No, but you're omitting a lot of the story that happened after that. I say again....go read the report(s) issued by the US Army as to what actually happened on this perfectly legitimate project.
"Are you on his payroll? You're pathetic hysterics, your false outrage and attacks against other scientists, I'd ask what he paying you but your research and writing are so juvenile that I'd hate to think that you work for the US and that I'm somehow paying your salary.
Nope, not on his payroll. Yes, idiots who won't read primary source background piss me off (if that's what you mean by "hysterics"). And I don't recall insulting any "other scientists" at any point.... unless, of course, you mean yourself. And since my company "has" in the past, had contracts funded by the Fedgov, you probably "have" paid some tiny fraction of my salary. Live with it.
Tsk Tsk, such language, you kiss your wife with that mouth? So, you're a chemist, does that mean you are unable to use Wiki?
I even used the following line:
Their SANS are in almost any big iron shop. I mean, what are your choices, HP, IBM, Dell which uses EMC2????
I mentioned HP, IBM, and Dell, what did you think I was talking about, toasters?
Your quote: "SAN" is a three letter acronym which could stand for a huge number of different things. Since the subject we were discussing was ENERGY, I assumed that a search on SAN and some energy term would yield a result. The problem is your lack of clarity, not my lack of "technical chops".
I would say your problem is the ability to select search terms relevant to the discussion. For $5.95 and my pamphlet, you too can search terms in google and instead of coming up millions of hits, you can come up with a relevant hit on the first page. Are you working 12-15 hour days? It seems you're a bit testy. I'm sure you think long hours will get you noticed but it's your boss who will get credit for your work which might drive you over the edge and I've seen it happen more than once. Luckily, both times, the employees kept separate records and emails and it cost both boss's their jobs. Even so, it did fry them while it was going on. Don't let yourself become a patsy.
Fine, If Rossi is correct, I owe you a beer.
Let's make it worth our while.
Heap big headache.
You need to keep one thing in mind, I hope this thing works? It would mean the end of the petrol gougers, our great 'friends' in the middle East. If this thing works tomorrow, Saudi Arabia isn't going down the next day but what else do they have to export. Within ten years, life will have a drastic change.
There are other uses for oil but if we get out of these roadblocks to new power, we not only shut the Middle East down, we cut their funding for terrorists. I see a downside though. Since they're have nothing to lose they might as well prepare for the 13th Imam and the loving peace and tolerance he'll bring with him. OK, if you believe that, you can look forward to your tyrannical newmaster. I'm sure they'll wait at least a week before Sharia law is enfrced
It's clear we need someone humble and rightous to manage this possible breakthrough. Joseph Newman gets his instructions from God and who are we to deny him the credit for such a life changing event for everyone. I'm sure he's so Altruistic that he would only take the title of Emperor of the known Universe.
I'm dying to see this post a year from now witch all of the comments.
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