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Amazon Supports a Bill Forcing Online Shoppers to Pay Sales Tax
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Posted on 11/12/2011 7:39:16 AM PST by Perdogg

The days of skirting around having to pay retail sales tax by shopping online may be coming to a close—and Amazon, of all companies, is supporting the effort.

Online retailer Amazon.com has a long history of fighting requirements for shoppers to pay their local state sales tax whenever a purchase is made via the Internet. Most recently, Amazon has been battling it out with California, which has been trying to force Amazon and other online retailers with ties to the state to collect sales tax on purchases.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: amazon; california; salestax; tax
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1 posted on 11/12/2011 7:39:18 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

they support it to screw their competition and the consumer


2 posted on 11/12/2011 7:41:15 AM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: Perdogg

Of course. The big corporations always support legislation that makes it difficult for smaller competitors.


3 posted on 11/12/2011 7:42:38 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Perdogg

I am against taxes, but I have to to note that the bill levels the playing field because small business owners were at a disadvantage compared to amazon.


4 posted on 11/12/2011 7:42:49 AM PST by JimWayne
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To: freedomfiter2; Perdogg

Agreed. First, the exemption from sales tax for amazon destroyed their competitors who had to pay sales tax. Now that amazon is well entrenched, smaller players in the online arena will be the ones who get destroyed with the new legislation. It is a mess.


5 posted on 11/12/2011 7:45:11 AM PST by JimWayne
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To: Perdogg

I order from Amazon all the time. I even pay the 25 dollars a year so that i can have shipping and handling “free” for the year.....a great deal for me and others as long as you order a lot from them. My only concern with this sales tax thing is that you don’t screw up a good thing. Netflix has learned this the hard way. Hopefully Amazon does not have to learn a hard lesson for being stupid.


6 posted on 11/12/2011 7:46:08 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: JimWayne

Well gee, ain’t it grand? We get to pay more to the state government than we already do. And the Republicans in the house and senators like Enzi helped them screw us some more.

I’m in a state supposedly run by Republicans. They will gladly take any tax the feds tell them is available and go back to mouthing their anti-tax lies.


7 posted on 11/12/2011 7:47:45 AM PST by Luke21
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To: Luke21

The solution is to cut government and get rid of all such taxes, not just for amazon.


8 posted on 11/12/2011 7:51:26 AM PST by JimWayne
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To: JimWayne

I sympathize with smaller sellers, and I try to support my own local businesses whenever possible, but when money’s tight, what are you going to do? I went to a local auto supply and paid $36 plus tax for two windshield wipers I could have bought from Amazon for $20, tax free, shipped free in 2 days—and often they ship it overnight for free.
But I know this can’t last for Amazon. They see the future, and it’s endless litigation with tax-hungry states. I guess they feel they need to bite the bullet and roll with the punches.


9 posted on 11/12/2011 7:55:14 AM PST by giotto
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To: giotto
Same here. Gotta watch every dollar and for us Amazon has been the cheapest way to shop. If sales tax is the future,well...buh bye Amazon.
10 posted on 11/12/2011 7:59:44 AM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Well, I guess you could say that, as well as the opposite. I don’t like it either, but an objective analysis would question why a retailer who invests in your community by creating a physical presence (brick and mortar), hiring employees, maintaining an inventory of demo merchandise, etc is penalized vs. an online retailer that doesn’t do any of these things. Amazon is in the position now of selectively collecting and paying sales taxes, and I’m thinking their motivation here is to “flatten” the tax by making it apply to everyone everywhere.

Of course the other alternative would be to eliminate sales taxes everywhere, but that’s not going to happen.

Generally I hate whining about “It’s not fair!” - but having talke to a number of small business owners, in this case it’s true. Amazon knows it will still get it’s share, especially since charging taxes across the board will lower their costs.


11 posted on 11/12/2011 8:03:00 AM PST by bigbob
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To: ladyvet

I won’t give up on Amazon because greedy states are making it impossible for them to do business. It’s not their fault; they’ve fought it as long as they reasonably can. Even with tax, their prices are still far better than brick and mortar, and the value of time saved by shopping online is incalculable. I can order a pair of shoes or a book in less time than it would take me to look for my car keys. As long as Jeff Bezos runs Amazon, I’ll stick with it.


12 posted on 11/12/2011 8:07:28 AM PST by giotto
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To: napscoordinator

what is this 25 dollar fee? For a year? I shop amazon all the time, but I only know about the super save shipping.. sounds great.


13 posted on 11/12/2011 8:11:24 AM PST by true believer forever (First, they came for the rich.)
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To: napscoordinator

You get Amazon Prime for $25.00 per year? I pay $79.00.


14 posted on 11/12/2011 8:14:30 AM PST by Blennos
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To: true believer forever

Oh yes. It is called Amazon Prime and you pay a 25 dollar fee and for the entire 365 or 364 days you receive everything else with zero postage. I love it.


15 posted on 11/12/2011 8:15:12 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Blennos

Really? Under Amazon Prime?


16 posted on 11/12/2011 8:15:47 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Blennos

Gosh. I hope that when my year is up that they haven’t raised the price. Even if they do though I would buy it. Even 79 dollars is a steal as long as you buy a lot. I need to see what changed.


17 posted on 11/12/2011 8:17:12 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
Oh yes. It is called Amazon Prime and you pay a 25 dollar fee and for the entire 365 or 364 days you receive everything else with zero postage.

That's a student rate, is it not? I believe you need an email with .edu in order to qualify. We got that price for a year because we have a daughter in college.

18 posted on 11/12/2011 8:18:43 AM PST by Mygirlsmom ("Get ready for an aberration of historic proportions" ...H Cain.."to correct the last one" MGM)
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To: ladyvet

I think that’s the plan in the long run.

Make it so people’s only option is to buy on line, which helps foriegn
sellers.

Make it so all people have to have a checking account
from the Government bank to do any business at all. Cash is out.


19 posted on 11/12/2011 8:19:26 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (WE ARE AMERICA! DONATE TO FR MORE!)
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To: Perdogg
I am building a personal database of quality small business suppliers that do not collect tax, and will do business directly even before Amazon is stupid enough to pull the trigger and become a tax collector for every useless government employee in the country.

This will hurt Amazon more than they think. Be prepared.

20 posted on 11/12/2011 8:22:58 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Perdogg

State sales taxes on products not originating in the state were unconstitutional (reserved for the federal government): SCOTUS Brown v. Maryland. Then SCOTUS excised that clause in 1865.


21 posted on 11/12/2011 8:26:21 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: giotto

Many things online, even with a sales tax and shipping, are significantly cheaper that those items are locally.

Three years ago I purchased (no tax) a water purifier unit and two cleaning cylinders for $27, shipped. Locally at Walmart, that same unit without the cylinders was $40 and the cylinders were $20 each. Lowes local was even higher.

==

I sometimes go to a local employee-owned grocery, but their general prices are astronomical, compared to the discounts grocery stores. Why pay them $15 for a can of coffee, when the same can in another local store is $9.00?


22 posted on 11/12/2011 8:34:19 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: GreaterSwiss

Kiss Amazon good bye! They’ll be Chapter 11 by next year.


23 posted on 11/12/2011 8:34:46 AM PST by Rodm
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To: Navy Patriot
Do you have that list? I would be interested in seeing it. I would be interested in doing business with merchants who didn't collect sales tax.

I agree that Amazon may be making a mistake... but they also could figure that they are now so big that nobody can stop them.
24 posted on 11/12/2011 8:38:04 AM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: napscoordinator

The $25 Amazon Prime is the student discount. Their is a similar discount for new Moms, too.

The regular Amazon Prime is $79. They did add free streaming of many TV series and movies in their Prime service.


25 posted on 11/12/2011 8:40:57 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: giotto

I have no sympathy now with the economy...

Pay $20 to save money vs $36? Simple: pay the 20. I have better things to worry about. I just bought an MP3 player 3 days ago with free shipping from AMZ. I am just taxed enough already.


26 posted on 11/12/2011 8:42:27 AM PST by max americana (CAIN 2012)
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27 posted on 11/12/2011 8:42:31 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Navy Patriot

More states are legislating the collection of online sales taxes.

My state did this year. I think it starts next year — for ALL online purchases.

It is coming. And next year, more states will need new sources to make up their shortfalls.


28 posted on 11/12/2011 8:43:57 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Rodm

>Kiss Amazon good bye! They’ll be Chapter 11 by next year.<

They have until Sept of 2012 in CA, and after that I’ll be shopping on Overstock. At least they still keep fighting unlike Amazon. Eventually, one person can start his own Amazon and do it offshore..


29 posted on 11/12/2011 8:45:36 AM PST by max americana (CAIN 2012)
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To: JimWayne
The solution is to cut government and get rid of all such taxes, not just for amazon.

That is the rational, just solution. However, the parasite class at all levels will NOT stop in their desire to get more and more of our hard earned income.

A big incentive to buy from Amazon is no sales tax. The parasite class is truly evil. It is filled with humans who are enslaving the non-government workers.

Let's hope there is not a total economic collapse in our future. If there is, I pray there is no mercy shown to those in the parasite class -- to go French on them is too kind.

We would have a peaceful, happy, prosperous Republic if government at all levels was 1/6 the current size.

30 posted on 11/12/2011 8:55:01 AM PST by sand88
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To: JimWayne

There already is a level playing field.

Online, you pay shipping charges but not sales tax.

In a bricks-and-mortar store, you pay sales tax but not shipping charges.

I live in a rural area of Maine, and some items simply cannot be purchased locally.....the small business owners usually do not have the item I’m looking for.

Then there are the antiques and vintage items sold on eBay and other web sites. Some of these items are rare and, in other cases, one of a kind.

Amazon should tread carefully lest they kill the goose that laid the golden egg.


31 posted on 11/12/2011 8:57:39 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The "Occupy Wall Street" losers should try occupying their local employment office. GET A JOB!)
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To: Navy Patriot
I am building a personal database of quality small business suppliers that do not collect tax, and will do business directly even before Amazon is stupid enough to pull the trigger and become a tax collector for every useless government employee in the country.

I applaud your effort. It is truly distressing how the parasite class NEVER stops in their greedy desire to steal more and more of our income. It is truly legal plunder on a grand scale.

32 posted on 11/12/2011 8:58:41 AM PST by sand88
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To: max americana

I doubt that the offshore model would work for physical products. If their warehouse is offshore, there would be some import duty and if they kept their warehouse stateside, they would still apply the state tax. However electronic books movies and music could potentially evade some of these taxes through encrypted transactions. Let’s set up shop next to the offshore medical clinic.
Meanwhile, buy you stuff at garage sales while you can.


33 posted on 11/12/2011 9:05:42 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
I would be interested in doing business with merchants who didn't collect sales tax.

First, some disclaimers, I did not intend to convey the impression that I was intending to pay less for goods and services. There is often no monetary gain, and sometimes there are additional costs in not paying sales tax, so this is not about the money.

It's about not cooperating with parasites that actively seek to destroy the culture, society and nation because they (and their policy) are so worthless and destructive that they would starve to death without a government paycheck or entitlement, and no matter how much you give them, it is never enough, they always "need" more after they have wasted nearly all that has already been given them.

I will pay a producer more to deny a parasite less.

34 posted on 11/12/2011 9:36:31 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: sand88

See #34, I neglected to add you, so I ping, sorry.


35 posted on 11/12/2011 9:40:17 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Mygirlsmom

I actually do have a .edu e-mail address because I work at at University but I want to ensure that they know I am not a student. Can you imagine? A conservative ripping off a company. Now that I know this, I will get down to the bottom of this. I can’t stand people without ethics and morals so I don’t want to become one....lol.


36 posted on 11/12/2011 10:25:03 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator; Blennos

Yes, I buy a lot from Amazon. Let’s find out what the deal is.


37 posted on 11/12/2011 10:27:52 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: napscoordinator

You might be ok - I think that rate is offered to anyone with a valid .edu email.


38 posted on 11/12/2011 10:39:19 AM PST by Mygirlsmom ("Get ready for an aberration of historic proportions" ...H Cain.."to correct the last one" MGM)
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To: napscoordinator
On a semi-related note - I was at Radio Shack purchasing an external drive last night (my college daughter's computer crashed badly and I am reformatting the darned thing as I type) and a young kid had purchased a 16 GB memory card, which costs about $25.

The clerk accidentally gave him a 32 GB (about $70). He walked out but must have realized the mistake and returned to the store to get the one he paid for. It was nice to witness a young person with morals.

39 posted on 11/12/2011 10:46:19 AM PST by Mygirlsmom ("Get ready for an aberration of historic proportions" ...H Cain.."to correct the last one" MGM)
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To: grumpygresh

>Meanwhile, buy you stuff at garage sales while you can.<

That’s one way to go. I bought my 2nd emergency laptop for cheap from this guy who sells on Craigslist. Went to HIS apartment where he runs a fix it pc biz, paid cash. What was better was his younger hot sister was sunbathing outside..


40 posted on 11/12/2011 12:43:31 PM PST by max americana (CAIN 2012)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Online, you pay shipping charges but not sales tax. In a bricks-and-mortar store, you pay sales tax but not shipping charges.

This is incorrect. It is not the government's job to create level playing fields. Second, you are wrong about bricks-and-mortar stores not factoring in shipping charges into the price. They've already shipped it to your neighborhood and that is reflected in the price.

You make a choice whether you want to save time and energy and not leave your couch to buy your item or whether you want to take a look at it and get it instantly without waiting for it. The prices of the items will reflect the prices of these conveniences.

I live in a rural area of Maine, and some items simply cannot be purchased locally.....the small business owners usually do not have the item I’m looking for.

Yes, the more remote your location, the costlier it will be to ship it there and the carrier may charge you more. You cannot demand that the government ensure that you pay no more than a shopper where competition has beaten down the prices.

41 posted on 11/12/2011 1:37:34 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: JimWayne

“This is incorrect. It is not the government’s job to create level playing fields.”

I never said I’m in favor of the government creating “level playing fields.” I’m opposed to an Internet sales tax - the government confiscates - and pisses away - enough of our money now. Taxed Enough Already, the acronymn of the TEA Party. It seems to me that those who support online sales taxes are in favor of government creating a “level playing field.”

As to “whether I want to look at it and get it instantly,” I can’t do that, because the local retailers usually don’t have what I’m looking for. The is especially true in regards to antiques and vintage items, which in some cases are one-of-a-kind.

I don’t really understand your last point - “the more remote your location, the costlier it will be to ship it there and the carrier may charge you more. You cannot demand that the government ensure that you pay no more than a shopper where competition has beaten down the prices.”

I’m the one paying for the shipping, not the government. I pay for Priority Mail shipping, which has quadrupled in price since I first discovered Internet shopping in December, 1998. Even when a seller offers cheaper Media Mail or Parcel Post, I usually pay extra for Priority Mail shipping.

I’m 100% in favor of small businessmen and small businesswomen purchasing the goods and services being offered by other small businessmen and small businesswomen. But they have to have the goods and/or services to offer the consumer in the first place.


42 posted on 11/12/2011 7:02:32 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The "Occupy Wall Street" losers should try occupying their local employment office. GET A JOB!)
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43 posted on 11/12/2011 7:05:46 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: napscoordinator

I pay $79.00. What is this $25.00 2 day free shipping that you speak of?


44 posted on 11/12/2011 7:07:59 PM PST by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: ladyvet

I agree. I do a lot of Amazon shopping. As long as I can get free shipping it won’t be too bad.

I think it will hurt them though.


45 posted on 11/12/2011 7:10:26 PM PST by dforest
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To: napscoordinator

Same here. $79 a year.


46 posted on 11/12/2011 7:14:11 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Perdogg
Trying to get ahead of this before they get smashed. No sales tax on Internet orders wasn't going to last forever. That much revenue not being taxed is like rotten meat to flies.

And to be honest, it will eliminate some of the issues where a state starts attacking people for their online purchases.

47 posted on 11/12/2011 7:14:57 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: JimWayne

Actually, the absence of sales taxes online protected brick and mortars from even more drastic sales taxes and regulation. It is only in being able to escape onerous taxes that taxes are restrained.

It is no coincidence that the 16th Amendment passed only after Arizona became a state. That left Americans with no where to run.


48 posted on 11/12/2011 7:23:24 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: JimWayne

From the article

“The bill would not affect especially small businesses, however: Any seller with less than $500,000 in sales annually would not be required to collect and remit sales tax.”


49 posted on 11/12/2011 7:23:53 PM PST by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: nutmeg

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50 posted on 11/12/2011 7:24:34 PM PST by nutmeg (Yes We CAIN !! Herman Cain 2012)
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