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More To The Story At Penn State
Townhall.com ^ | November 12, 2011 | Brian McNicoll

Posted on 11/12/2011 8:13:38 AM PST by Kaslin

Back in 1999, I was driving into State College for a Penn State football game, listening to the pregame show on the radio.

They were interviewing Jerry Sandusky about his impending retirement. The play-by-play man asked him how much he had enjoyed working with Joe Paterno.

“Nobody enjoys working for Joe,” Sandusky said. “He’s hard on everyone. He demands perfection, and perfection is hard to achieve. And he lets you know about it when you fall short.”

The host sort of recoiled from the answer, but the color man cackled and said, “Yeah, Joe and Jerry don’t exactly see eye to eye.”

The color man was George Paterno, brother of the coach.

That’s what makes the defense of Joe Paterno offered by Sally Jenkins of The Washington Post and others so absolutely misguided. Jenkins’ idea was to call a shrink and ask him about the psychology of reporting one’s friends for the acts of which Sandusky has been accused.

But Sandusky wasn’t a friend. He was a co-worker, an underling – and one, by then, whom Paterno knew to be capable of some ghastly things. So what if we rethink this and view Paterno not as a man of honor who protected his friend out of misguided loyalty but as CEO of a corporation – which, essentially, is what a major college football coach is – who has discovered misdeeds by a top executive?

And make no mistake, whether he liked him or not, Paterno did protect Sandusky. He knew about the 1999 incident. He knew about the 2002 incident. He probably knew much more. Yet, he allowed this alleged predator to go on for another decade, even though he knew Sandusky was a foster parent and head of a charity that brought vulnerable children into his orbit.

And remember, Sandusky would be on the loose today if it were up to Joe Paterno. The coach can say what he wants about hindsight. But for hindsight to be meaningful, it has to come before the frog march. Ask Jack Abramoff.

The I-told-my-boss defense also does not fly for Joe. It’s fine if you start out that way. You tell your boss. You get the paper for a week. If you don’t see a story in the paper about what you told your boss, you take other action. Particularly if you’re Joe Paterno.

Because if you’re Joe Paterno, your boss – the athletic director – is not actually your boss. He can’t fire you – the AD tried once, with the help of the president of the university, and Joe rebuffed it. He can’t discipline you – Paterno’s version of right and wrong is infinitely more credible than the ADs to the people who care about Penn State football. And the performance review is done by the TV-watching, ticket-buying, suite-reserving, game-attending public, which cares all about Ws and Ls and nothing about your opinion.

It’s a little more complicated if you’re Mike McQueary. To him, Joe is much more than a friend. He is a mentor, a boss, an example of what manhood and leadership are supposed to be. If he thinks the Sandusky secret should stay in-house, it is not as easy to go against this. But go against this you must.

But back to the original question: If Paterno didn’t protect Sandusky out of friendship and loyalty, then why? And why did those whose ties are not as strong – the president of the school, the VP of finance, the athletic director – not only not come forward but affirmatively lie on Sandusky’s behalf?

There is a good chance the AD and vice president could go to prison for awhile … and perhaps longer if more details emerge.

And how big is this cone of silence? Does it include the university police? The local police? Other state officials and/or office-holders? And, again, why? What are these victims to make of the community they live in and the men who run it? Did nobody care about them enough to stand up and stop this?

This time last week, we all assumed these were decent men. The rioters in State College obviously still think Paterno is.

Why then? Why was this hidden? A lot of people think the secret inside the secret has been revealed – what on earth could be worse than a 40-count indictment for child molestation? But some other secret was bigger. That secret is worth keeping even if it means prison for some of the top officials at Penn State and, for Paterno, the loss of the job that seemed to be his for life and a reputation envied by all in his profession.

That must be one hell of a secret.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: gricar; jerrysandusky; paterno; pedophlia; pennstate; raygricar; sandusky
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1 posted on 11/12/2011 8:13:39 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The people around him knew. There had to be ribald locker room jokes and rumors about his proclivities.


2 posted on 11/12/2011 8:16:36 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Kaslin

Yep. More to this story than has come out. The old media acting aghast at a homosexual, child-raping pedophile is not their normal behavior, or they’d have run Barney Frank out of the country.


3 posted on 11/12/2011 8:19:13 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kaslin
"That must be one hell of a secret."

Big enough to make the local DA "disappear." This is going to be gut wrenching in the extreme.
4 posted on 11/12/2011 8:20:45 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Kaslin

Bingo. The best insight is from people who report on and participate in other major college sports programs. These types are the best rebuff to all the pederast-enablers that have suddenly revealed themselves on FR.


5 posted on 11/12/2011 8:21:25 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Kaslin

Hopefully the “secret” is not as horrific as the one Mark Madden put out on Wednesday.


6 posted on 11/12/2011 8:21:30 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: BunnySlippers
Exactly.
Many many people knew about this for years, and chose to hide it all to protect the football program and to keep the money coming in. And yes, that does includes the players.

Has anyone every worked in an office? How much stuff do you know about people's private lives? (whether you want to know, or not) The more salacious, the more it spreads.

Let's be brutally honest. This is way beyond a few people knowing.

7 posted on 11/12/2011 8:22:45 AM PST by sillsfan (Reagan and Sarah are right- WE win, they lose!)
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To: PowderMonkey

Rumor has it that the creep gave access to boys for other freaks. Could be an entire ring of depravity.


8 posted on 11/12/2011 8:23:06 AM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: BunnySlippers
Homo state is all in showing how they support the victims of child abuse, the photo op will last fifteen minutes and they will then get back to what is important to them, football and winning at all cost. That. Is what the school is all about, the could care less about a few kids.
9 posted on 11/12/2011 8:23:22 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: org.whodat

Sometimes, I don’t want to or feel the need to comment further, but just to agree with the previous posts.
FreeRepublic needs a “like” button like FaceBook.


10 posted on 11/12/2011 8:26:24 AM PST by sillsfan (Reagan and Sarah are right- WE win, they lose!)
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To: Kaslin
There is a simple answer. Follow the dollar. &50,000,000 in the case of the PS athletic program.
11 posted on 11/12/2011 8:27:49 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t think it is a secret. I think all Paterno and the administrators could see was money.


12 posted on 11/12/2011 8:28:37 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Kaslin
Why then? Why was this hidden? A lot of people think the secret inside the secret has been revealed – what on earth ould be worse than a 40-count indictment for child molestation? But some other secret was bigger. That secret is worth keeping even if it means prison for some of the top officials at Penn State and, for Paterno, the loss of the job that seemed to be his for life and a reputation envied by all in his profession. That must be one hell of a secret.

Questions abound now but with all the parties being inolved to one extent or another it does give one to question what "else" is being hidden more sinister. Hopefully the rumors are not true...but as this moves forward there does appear more was going on then what we have yet to learn.

13 posted on 11/12/2011 8:30:56 AM PST by caww
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To: Kaslin
This guy has a lot of questions to answer...

The grand jury also noted that the 1998 report involving Sandusky and boys in the showers was reviewed by University Police and Child Protective Services, with the blessing of Wendell Courtney, who at the time served as University Counsel and was (and remains) counsel to The Second Mile - though no criminal charges were ever pursued.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=6270

It is not possible that Wendell Courtney did not know Sandusky was an active pedophile.

14 posted on 11/12/2011 8:31:07 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: sillsfan
FreeRepublic needs a “like” button like FaceBook.

I "second" that. I have been thinking that a lot lately.

15 posted on 11/12/2011 8:31:14 AM PST by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: Kaslin
...he allowed this alleged predator to go on for another decade, even though he knew Sandusky was a foster parent and head of a charity that brought vulnerable children into his orbit.

Some people need to be lined up against a wall and shot.

16 posted on 11/12/2011 8:31:55 AM PST by GOPJ ( Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans.... Will Rogers)
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To: PowderMonkey
We have a winner. They never found the DA's body. Just his car and his laptop with a hard drive that had been in the water so long it was unreadable.

I wonder where he is now?

17 posted on 11/12/2011 8:33:15 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-The government gets rich, you get poor.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
I don’t think it is a secret. I think all Paterno and the administrators could see was money.

Paterno was receiving a million dollars
a year to keep quiet; Hush money.

The NCAA needs to shut down the football
program at Pederast University.

Sandusky's Perversion has been well know
for over 15 years.


18 posted on 11/12/2011 8:34:35 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: caww

Department heads are shaking in fear.


19 posted on 11/12/2011 8:37:15 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tex-Con-Man
No one knows what the DA in 1998 was still doing, but it is a safe bet he never gave up on getting the bastard and that is why someone there killed him.
20 posted on 11/12/2011 8:38:18 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I agree. Shut down the football. Maybe the entire school


21 posted on 11/12/2011 8:39:18 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BunnySlippers

He was a top notch coach who should have been in line for his own major football program.

But apparently other programs knew enough to not offer. They knew that something was wrong with this man.


22 posted on 11/12/2011 8:40:33 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: Kaslin

Sandusky said. “He’s hard on everyone.”

Poor choice of words, there.


23 posted on 11/12/2011 8:42:56 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Kaslin

Considering how the football programs at state universities are perceived, I will wager that this incident is the tip of an iceberg that extends throughout all 57 states. I know. I live in Alabama where football is a religion and and the coach and his staff are the gods on Mt. Olympus.

One of my co-workers is a retired college coach who is acquainted with some of the top coaches and teams in the country. He hasn’t coached in 20 years, but he still expects awe from everyone. And he gets it. He also expects everything to be given to him: free food, vehicle, and even some groping of female associates, too. All the while he is able to set his own work hours and rate of pay. He gets it, because, you see, he was once a COACH of some stature.

I’m not surprised at any of this despicable mess.


24 posted on 11/12/2011 8:43:24 AM PST by AnnGora (I'm suing my tagline for sexual harrassment.)
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To: Kaslin

Sandusky was an evil man. IMHO, he either had something on everyone or at the least had something big on someone very big. He could have told Paterno if you out me I will tell why you ran up the score in some games and sat on leads in others. Whether it was true or not. He could have pics of Spanier in compromising positions. The AD and VP could be cheating on their wife’s with students and he knew it. The list could go on and on. I agree that the secret has to be huge for so many to protect this POS. Will it ever become public remains to be seen.


25 posted on 11/12/2011 8:44:01 AM PST by cork
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To: Libloather

Here is another article surmising this story must be bigger even that what’s come out. Thinking about it a little more it does seem strange that they would hide this man’s actions. ESPECIALLY since they all knew he was running that “charity”. I mean, they let him go spend ALL his time with children. That really is very creepy.

As for football being the motivation, well he was off the staff after the first incident, so it’s not like he was still going to help them win games.

Oy.


26 posted on 11/12/2011 8:44:11 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Kaslin

Me thinks cops were involved in hush money & bribes...word leaked to the DA....he ‘s gone....this is hugh, people!!!!


27 posted on 11/12/2011 8:45:52 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Tagline for rent: Inquire within!)
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To: AnnGora
I live in Alabama where football is a religion and and the coach and his staff are the gods on Mt. Olympus.

Something I have never understood about the 'Bible Belt'...G-d is pretty clear on the subject of 'idolatry'...

28 posted on 11/12/2011 8:46:50 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: jocon307

[I mean, they let him go spend ALL his time with children. That really is very creepy.]

They knew he stayed in hotels with the children in his room ALL THE TIME. Everytime he went out of town, he took a young boy with him. It really is sick. They all just gave him a wink and a nod.


29 posted on 11/12/2011 8:47:49 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Kaslin

No one should have ANY doubt what motivated Paterno, Spanier, and all the rest of this sad lot - MONEY.

College football represents a multi-million dollar revenue stream that these universities could never replace. It is the most sacred of cows, how else can they tap huge alumni donors for world-class training facilities, luxury jock dorms, and NFL-caliber million-dollar coach salaries?

Here’s some data to prove it:

Rank School Total Revenue Conference
1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten

As always...follow the money.


30 posted on 11/12/2011 8:48:13 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Kaslin

Now that I know Sandusky openly resented Paterno, it adds up that he kept returning to the school for his sexual crimes. Completely primitive goon. An animal, really.


31 posted on 11/12/2011 8:50:58 AM PST by Havisham
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To: AnnGora

A former co-irker on a mass system deployment job did very little, late normally, screwed up a lot but got a pass as a rule since he played football in some small college.


32 posted on 11/12/2011 8:53:11 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

“The NCAA needs to shut down the football
program at Pederast University.”

Double-Dog Dittos to that and AMEN!! Where are they???? Absolutely SILENT!! The NCAA should have shut it down THIS weekend.


33 posted on 11/12/2011 8:56:57 AM PST by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: Kaslin

I suspect we will have a sudden suicide and the person will leave an explanation of how far reaching the demonic exploitation of children goes. There may be alums and wealthy donors who took advantage of what Sandusky could ‘procure’ for them. If that is written ina suicide notice, will the controlling devils in sludgesylvania ever allow it to be exposed? I doubt it, so the suicide notice needs to be placed where the batards cannot squelch it!


34 posted on 11/12/2011 8:58:01 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Kaslin

The Joe Paterno situation reminds me of another corrupt man who became a “Godfather” to a small part of Pennsylvania - John Murtha. He was the power in and around Johnstown, PA who also used his position and longevity to be the man responsible for the money, only in his case it was pork barrel spending.


35 posted on 11/12/2011 8:58:39 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Kaslin
"The I-told-my-boss defense also does not fly for Joe. It’s fine if you start out that way. You tell your boss. You get the paper for a week. If you don’t see a story in the paper about what you told your boss, you take other action."

Curley was Paterno's "superior" in the same way a newly minted Second Lieutenant is "superior" to a Command Sergeant Major with 27 years under his belt.

36 posted on 11/12/2011 8:58:46 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Kaslin

I’ve said it more than once here, Paterno was the CEO of Penn State Football, Inc.


37 posted on 11/12/2011 8:59:33 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Kaslin; Libloather; All

Does anyone think that if the Mark Madden rumor is true, that there will be the mother of all cover-ups?

I am expecting exactly that.

I have lost faith in the “system”, completely and totally.


38 posted on 11/12/2011 8:59:39 AM PST by jacquej
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To: muawiyah
Department heads are shaking in fear.

I think this is going to go much further than the college as it plays out.

39 posted on 11/12/2011 9:00:14 AM PST by caww
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To: sillsfan

We sort of have one. It’s called ‘bttt’ or bump to the top.


40 posted on 11/12/2011 9:00:47 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: org.whodat

Ray Gricar had a reputation for helping battered women and abused children. It was his soft spot. He often went out of his way to get justice for these people. He also followed up with them to maintain their safety in many instances.
This was a man who, if he had sunk his teeth into this, was like a pit bull. If he realized that sandusky was the tip of a very big iceberg, then you can bet he was into it.


41 posted on 11/12/2011 9:00:53 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kaslin

Why isn’t the Wife Swapping Studies scholar-president of State Penn on the hook to become part of the chain gang too?


42 posted on 11/12/2011 9:02:23 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin

A LOT of money at stake ... tens of millions per year.

A lot of prestige at stake.

Reputrations, rellationships.

You have a district attorney who has been pronounced dead after going missing 6 years ago...what did he know...how close was he getting?

This whole thing is sick, depraved, and digusting. Corruption and crime at the highest levels of that school and I bet it reaches out beyond that given the money, power and prestige this thing threatened.

I believe the NCAA should give a multiple year death penalty to that football prgram. Let the players go elsewhere and not be pennalized...but kill the prgram for at least 3 years.

I also believe that there are more people hwo should be in jail.


43 posted on 11/12/2011 9:03:13 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: MHGinTN

I think you’re right MHGinTN.....this is moving along and seems to point to a much larger arena then the college itself. Nasty business when people in high places gain too much power and that which it welds.


44 posted on 11/12/2011 9:03:17 AM PST by caww
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To: dfwgator

Astute comparison! Look at my numbers above - the $1.2 million CEO of a $91 million dollar enterprise where the “workers” (athletes) are volunteers. Who’d want to put such a goldmine at risk?


45 posted on 11/12/2011 9:04:36 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Joe 6-pack
LOL, my nephew essentially told me just that.

It's good to have stable centers of expertise in an organization busy with "change".

46 posted on 11/12/2011 9:05:34 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: jacquej
Does anyone think that if the Mark Madden rumor is true, that there will be the mother of all cover-ups?

Yep. Saw the governor speak the other day. He looked nervous.

47 posted on 11/12/2011 9:07:55 AM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: bigbob
College football is much like the screen actor's guild in that a handful on top make a lot of money, those lower down on the pyramid are lucky to break even and those at the bottom see it as a financial sinkhole, but one necessary to advertise their brand.

There was an interesting article in our local fishwrap not too many months ago which explained that 6 in 7 college football programs actually lost money. I'll see if I can find it and post it.

48 posted on 11/12/2011 9:08:21 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: org.whodat

The night Gricar went missing, they sent a dozen police cars, a swat team, and helicopters with searchlights to the Penn State campus.
He had scheduled an appointment with an ‘informant’ but never showed up and neither did the informant. Details get lost. Information drips out and causes chaos. Misinformation is rampant.
After that, the Penn State angle was NEVER mentioned again.


49 posted on 11/12/2011 9:10:41 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Polyxene
There are those who think :

"Joe is so dirty he needs a shower"


50 posted on 11/12/2011 9:10:56 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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