Skip to comments.Franco Harris defends Paterno, McQueary, blasts trustees
Posted on 11/12/2011 5:14:37 PM PST by Winged Hussar
Former Pittsburgh Steelers running back and Penn State alum Franco Harris blasted the school's Board of Trustees for its decision to fire Joe Paterno and defended Mike McQueary, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
"I feel that the board made a bad decision in letting Joe Paterno go," Harris told the Tribune-Review's Kevin Gorman. "I'm very disappointed in their decision. I thought they showed no courage, not to back someone who really needed it at the time. They were saying the football program under Joe was at fault.
"They really wouldn't give a reason. They're linking the football program to the scandal and, possibly, the cover-up. That's very disturbing to me.
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http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html?m=1 (an attorney) also says Paterno did the right thing and that, by "going further" as many suggest, could have exposed himself and/or Penn State to a libel suit had the allegation proven unfounded.
I would like to put up petition candidates to replace every single alumni trustee who voted to dismiss Paterno. The Trustees themselves admitted that they have not even begun to investigate the facts in the case which (along with their failure to fire Mike McQueary) demonstrates that their spoken or unspoken motive in firing Paterno was simply to gratify a media lynch mob, with ZERO regard for right or wrong or even the best interests of the University.
Yeah, that's pretty much the size of it Mr. Harris.
I agree. People keep saying Paterno should have called the police; he didn’t witness the act; he’s not the one who should have reported the incident to the police.
He reported what was hearsay at the time to his superiors.
Is he a tight end or a wide receiver ?
You are factually and ethically challenged on this issue. Retire from the thread before you make a bigger ass of yourself. :)
They are comin’ out of the closet - loud and proud.
The Board needs to go. So do some of the Regents/state figures, including, apparently, some in state gov’t. This went on too long. People knew. From the janitor on up.
I joked about the janitor knowing and turns out, at least one guy did.
C’mon. If Penn State wants to have any money left, it needs to amputate above the gang greene and cauterize the wound.
Bull. You cannot be sued for libel for reporting evidence of a crime to polic, even if it is discovered no crime was committed.
McQueary is a filthy coward for not stopping the attack and rescuing the boy. Paterno and all the rest are filthy cowards for not reporting to the police what McQueary told them.
The whole lot of them can rot in hell for their cowardly coverup that led to the abuse of more young boys.
This is exactly what should happen. Whoever and whatever.
knock it off with the hearsay garbage.
It was firsthand eyewitness account.
Joe is a board member for The Second Mile.
Joe was supposed to check any accusation of this kind of stuff out and immediately report it to law enforcement. He is required to by both Pennsylvania law and Federal Law.
Not just go to his bosses at the college.
Joe has helped put the college on the hook for millions. Every job in the world will fire you for that from the corner gas station to NASA.
Good bye Joe.
Paterno personally witnessed the incident? That’s a new allegation I haven’t heard before.
The board did the right thing. Have you ever sat on a board? They are liable for this kind of stuff. I’m just sad they waited this long.
OBTW no wife listed.
OBTW no wife listed.
you’re embarrassing yourself.
Its bad enough that the rapes happened and that people kept quiet about it, but to see so many Freepers attack anyone who disagrees with the action of the Board of Trustees as being a homosexual, or a rapist of boys is insane. Franco Harris was married - the last time I heard - and ran as a Republican in Pennsylvania. Disagree with him all you like - you have reason to disagree with him - but try not to act like a liberal and smear than man.
If Paterno reported it, it would have been hearsay and absolutely useless in court.
If McQueary had reported it, it would have been an eyewitness account. The problem was that he didn’t do it immediately. The fact that he waited would have made it his word against Sandusky’s in the absence of a victim. Which means it would have been impossible to prove anything.
Paterno knew what Sandusky was doing. Stuff like this does not go undiscussed in the locker room. As recently as 10 days ago, Sandusky still had an office in the sports complex and access to the school's facilities at 3 or 4 campuses.
Paterno had enough pull to see that the man was never allowed on campus again. He failed.
You’re an idiot! You think you know the whole story? Why not wait for the investigation to find out if Coach Paterno followed protocol.
No brain, just knee jerk reactions.
Yes, I have sat on a board. The firings do not excuse them. My point is that the University itself needs action at the governance level.
But you knew that. The administrators are running for cover. Even the governor of PA looked shaken on TV the other day. I don’t know why, but there it is.
Hot damn! We just found one of them perverts! String him up!
everyone who knew about this and did nothing should swing.
I hope scoutmaster doesn’t mind when I cut and paste his words from another thread where the hearsay issue has already been discussed....
“First, calling the police has nothing to do with hearsay. Hearsay is a rule of evidence.
Second, unless something said out of court is offered to prove the truth of the utterance, it’s not hearsay. I can testify that I heard Bob tell me he saw John rape Mary. If that testimony is offered as evidence that I heard John say that, then it’s not hearsay. If that testimony is offered as evidence that John raped Mary, then it’s hearsay.
For Paterno to report that somebody told him that Sandusky abused somebody isn’t hearsay if it’s offered to prove that somebody told Joe about Sandusky. It’s only hearsay if it’s offered as proof of the rape.
Third, you would be surprised. There are so many exceptions to the hearsay rule that in Evidence class your professor will joke that the rule is actually an exception to the exceptions to the rule.
Fourth, most state’s child abuse laws mandate reporting in school and similar situations by people in authority who hear a creditable claim of abuse. Yeah. So does Pennsylvania. The only question is who has the obligation to report that abuse that he or she didn’t see.
I’ve actually posted the link to Pennsylvania’s reporting statute on a couple of your posts about hearsay. Have you missed it?”
Uh, no. You are thinking of Franco’s teammate Lynn Swann, who Franco campaigned against.
If this is a fair sample of the feeling of Penn State fans, then they've turned Paterno and Penn State football into an idol. It's become their moral compass and master.
Oh, I’m sorry. You’re right.
Sandusky’s activities were apparently an open secret, sounds like everyone around there knew about it. Nobody did anything about it. Not even an anonymous tip.
What a freaking insane asylum.
PSU needs to be shut down and disinfected.
IMO, they should all swing.
Is he a tight end or a wide receiver ?
He could have been a catcher
Re: “The board did the right thing. Have you ever sat on a board? They are liable for this kind of stuff.”
The Board admits openly that it did not even research the facts before acting. It said yesterday (per today’s newspaper) that it was going to investigate and discover all the facts. In other words, they scapegoated Paterno to gratify a media lynch mob.
Paterno did exactly what he was supposed to do. I can tell you from personal experience what happens when you do “more” as his detractors suggest. I saw on a very prominent pro-life Web site an accusation that a named doctor and hospital had left a baby (as defined by law) to die from neglect. I forwarded that Web page to the hospital regulatory agency of the state in question, which discovered the accusation to be false. The Web site owner was therefore lucky to not be sued for libel along with the source of the allegation.
If Paterno had gone outside channels to call Sandusky a kiddie diddler, or even imply he was one, and had been proven wrong, he and Penn State would have been hit with one huge libel suit. He doubtlessly assumed the University’s attorneys would make sure it was handled properly. Greg Schultz (in charge of campus security, but indicted for perjury) is the one who let it drop through the cracks, apparently without involving counsel.
Paterno therefore exercised good stewardship by taking the matter through the prescribed channels, including the person in charge of campus security, as opposed to being a loose cannon like the chest-beating beer-muscled columnists and talk show hosts would have had him do. The Trustees therefore exercised bad stewardship by firing him. Do you KNOW how many millions of dollars in alumni support (that’s per year) they just threw away with their action?
Like I said, I’ve more or less been there myself. Allegation of a serious felony from a seemingly trustworthy source, proven false, exposure to major libel suit. That was why I sent it “through channels” and didn’t circulate it via Free Republic or elsewhere, or even to the police in the city in question. I knew I wasn’t an eyewitness and the police would probably not be interested in hearsay. This doesn’t mean I did nothing, and Paterno also did something; something prudent and responsible instead of turning into a loose cannon.
Also, remember those 88 faculty members at Duke who felt they had to do “more” about an alleged sex crime? Well, their names are now online forever and in a very bad context.
Actually, I have only seen four or five freepers who are pro boy rape in defense of materialism and idols. Most freepers are disgusted with the lot of them.
see 17 above
What I am talking about is when people - like you did earlier - assume, with no evidence whatsoever, that someone like Franco Harris must be gay or a rapist of boys just because he takes a different stance on Joe Paterno’s firing. One Freeper yesterday said that Joe Paterno must also have raped children. Bizarre.
Obama has a man/boy pervert homo Czar heading up the “safe school” white house program.
Check out Kenneth Jennings:
Sandusky posed as a man of conservative values and honor... Most boy molestor pervs do within organizations where they can get access to boys.
Idiot. Why would you ever rely on wikipedia as your only source?
You might want to ask Franco Harris’ son about his mother.
Oops, I think you responded to the wrong person on the thread. I forgive you.
How about in defense of fairness?
He could have easily made an anonymous tip to the police. The fact seems to be that he knew about these activities and chose to ignore them. To enable them. Was it Paterno who offered McQeary the job of QB coach? Was it in exchange for his silence on Sandusky?
How many children were raped after that day?
They are all guilty IMO.
McQueary was the only person in a position to defend the child by calling the police when the alleged rape happened. By the time he told Paterno, the victim was long gone, and you need a victim to prosecute a sex crime.
Others here have said Paterno could have kept Sandusky off campus. With what? He’d have had to give a reason and if he said, “I think he is a kiddie diddler,” well, he’d better be able to prove that in court unless he wants to get himself and Penn State sued for libel.
From what I read in the indictment, though, Sandusky would make a perfect UN Peacekeeper or Taliban member!
Franco has suffered too many blows to the head.
People keep saying Paterno should have called the police; he didnt witness the act; hes not the one who should have reported the incident to the police.
The buck stops with...who? The guy who claims to dedicate his life to the success of young men.
All of his testimony demonstrates he had no doubt Sandusky was caught analy raping a 10 year old boy. When he saw the slime buckets were not doing anything to stop the rapists, what should he have done, ethically?
I can’t believe how all you people could read peoples’ minds and know exactly how everyone reacted and their reasoning. Paterno reported the incident to his superiors; that is not hiding anything.
Stop drinking the Kool Aid.
In addition to somebody having no idea what 'hearsay' is, let's traipse on over to 23 Pa. Cons. Stat. Section 6311, 'Persons Required to Report Suspected Child Abuse.'
The title of the Pennsylvania law that requires physicians, clergy, school teachers, school administrators (and a long list of other professionals) to report child abuse even uses "suspected' in its title.
Subsection (a) says that the entire statute applies "when the person has reasonable cause to suspect" child abuse.
Cheese and crackers, Winged Hussar.
"Reasonable cause to suspect." Not "saw."
I feel like Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride, except the word is not "inconceivable."
"Hearsay?" You keep using that word. I
do not think it means know with absolute certainty it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Game, Set, Match. Well said, exactly spot-on.
See post #4. I don’t need your forgiveness.
What testimony? Where did he testify?
Re: “Actually, I have only seen four or five freepers who are pro boy rape in defense of materialism and idols. “ You will find zero Freepers who are pro boy rape.
Remember Duke Lacrosse and Mike Nifong, though? How about Al Sharpton and Tawana Brawley? Sharpton acted on hearsay evidence (from the actual purported victim) and bought himself a big fat defamation suit he lost. Remember the Amiraults and Grant Snowden?
All good reasons to be careful of acting on hearsay.