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Romney has clear lead among Republicans
Reuters (via Yahoo) ^

Posted on 11/13/2011 5:39:57 AM PST by Solaia

Mitt Romney has a growing lead in the race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, and almost half of the party's voters expect him to be the nominee, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Twenty-eight percent of Republicans backed the former Massachusetts governor, giving him a lead of 8 percentage points over his nearest challenger Herman Cain in the poll, taken November 10-11.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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This gets me wonder 2 scary things.

1) Obama ads are attacking Romney. I haven’t seen a negative ad about any other candidate except him. Why do you think that is?

2) Obama seems to ignore Cain despite polls providing evidence that he should not. Why?

Is Cain just a niche candidate? Loved here, but essentially unknown to the average voter?

As much as I like Cain, I’m starting to think he’s nothing more than a novelty. Pity.

I know he's raised a decent amount of money, but nothing like what he'll need for a general election. What am I missing here?

1 posted on 11/13/2011 5:39:58 AM PST by Solaia
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To: Solaia

online poll = garbage


2 posted on 11/13/2011 5:42:37 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: Solaia

What about “among conservatives”?


3 posted on 11/13/2011 5:44:40 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If Romeny has hit 28 percent in this poll he had better enjoy it while he can. It is the high water mark.


4 posted on 11/13/2011 5:44:49 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“online poll = garbage”

I hope it’s that simple. The thing that bothers me is, Romney and Obama have pretty bright political operatives working for them. You would think they have a clue...

Why does Romney attack Perry and not Cain? Why does Obama continue to attack Romney?


5 posted on 11/13/2011 5:45:43 AM PST by Solaia (Ladies and gentlemen take my advice: pull down your pants and slide on the ice.)
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To: Solaia

Eh, a reuters ‘poll’...Herman Cain eats those for breakfast!


6 posted on 11/13/2011 5:46:32 AM PST by thatdewd (Palin - Cain 2012)
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To: Solaia

Where is Obama running ads against Romney? Why would he be running ads during the Republican primary season?


7 posted on 11/13/2011 5:48:44 AM PST by Amntn
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Online poll of 461 “registered” Republican voters.

This sounds extremely credible (sarc, of course).

8 posted on 11/13/2011 5:49:53 AM PST by Rational Thought
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To: TexasFreeper2009; Solaia

Agreed. Online polls mean absolutely nothing, other than the preferences of a particular website’s viewers.

Be advised that the MSM, political elites and assorted other asshats are merely attempting to pick the GOP nominee again.

Pay no attention. It’s just more worthless noise from Reuters and Yahoo. Both of which are left leaning propoganda outlets.


9 posted on 11/13/2011 5:50:21 AM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Amntn

“Where is Obama running ads against Romney? Why would he be running ads during the Republican primary season?”

I saw it locally here, in NJ. That’s what shocked me so much because we’ll likely “go blue” at the end of the day. I wouldn’t think this is place I’d see an ad.


10 posted on 11/13/2011 5:50:28 AM PST by Solaia (Ladies and gentlemen take my advice: pull down your pants and slide on the ice.)
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To: Solaia

Among RINO talkingheads in the media, Romney enjoys 100% of the vote. lol


11 posted on 11/13/2011 5:51:37 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

Those are valid points. (i.e. the websites) But it still doesn’t address the issue about who is attacking who.

It makes me think that they are attacking the people with the money because they know the others can’t last. Maybe that’s just my jaded view.

Sigh...

I still think it’s going to be Romney. And I hope he picks Cain as his VP....

I guess we’ll see.


12 posted on 11/13/2011 5:52:59 AM PST by Solaia (Ladies and gentlemen take my advice: pull down your pants and slide on the ice.)
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To: Solaia

More disinformation. I’d ignore it. The only poll that metters is the one taken on election day.

Pre-election polls are getting less accurate over time as fewer people are willing to respond to them.


13 posted on 11/13/2011 5:53:48 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Cain & Gingrich 2012..theres plenty of work to be done!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Exactly. An online poll about the republican nominees that is answered by liberals is no indication of the true front runner.
14 posted on 11/13/2011 5:54:17 AM PST by liberalh8ter
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To: liberalh8ter

Please replace ‘nominees’ with candidates. I’m not quite finished with my first cup, yet.


15 posted on 11/13/2011 5:55:22 AM PST by liberalh8ter
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

You would think people on FR could figure this out on their own.

Nah! Gotta post the story and react the same way the MSM expects them to.

Posting an online poll...

What the hell was the OP even thinking?


16 posted on 11/13/2011 5:55:24 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
>>Romney has clear lead among Republicans<<

Maybe we can even attach a clever lil label to Romney. Let's see, how’z, “Romney, the Maverick for Change” sound?

Yea yea, Maverick for change.

17 posted on 11/13/2011 5:56:15 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Solaia

Garbage online poll.


18 posted on 11/13/2011 5:56:35 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Don't Tread on Me!)
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To: servantboy777

Romney goes Rogue? :)


19 posted on 11/13/2011 5:57:18 AM PST by Solaia (Ladies and gentlemen take my advice: pull down your pants and slide on the ice.)
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To: Solaia

If you had been here longer you’d already know the answers. Perhaps you should do some research first.

The things you need to know about Romney is:

1. He’s not a conservative.

2. His poll numbers plateaued and aren’t improving.

3. He can’t carry the South.

4. He’s a loser.


20 posted on 11/13/2011 5:59:16 AM PST by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: Solaia; All

I’m thinking that since it’s 51 days (counting today) until the Iowa Caucuses, anything can still happen. 51 days in politics is an eternity. After the Iowa Caususes, I think you will see 4 candidates still in the race and polls will start to mean something then, and only then. I predict the survivors of Iowa will be: Romney, Gingrich, Cain and Paul. Possibly one more; who might do better in Iowa than people think he will, Rick Santorum. Then, NH and SC will weed out all but two. From there, I’m thinking it will be Romney and Newt or Romney and Cain. Paul will still be a player, but an insignificant one. Then, polls will take on a new meaning.

Comments? Anyone?


21 posted on 11/13/2011 6:00:03 AM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
yep, everyone just needs to sit tight till Monday when the real polls get released again.

Monday is the critical day, since the full affect (if any) to Cain from that last bimbo will be seen in the Monday polls.

What I will be looking for:

does the gap between Romney and Cain shrink or even worse do they switch positions... this is far more important than the raw numbers since different polls use different methodologies.

Thus, if polls on Monday show Cain at 20 ...

That would be fine if Romney is at 16 and Gingrich at 12
But if Romney is at 25 and Cain 20 that's an entirely different.

That Marist Poll on Friday was garbage (polled non republicans) and this is just an online poll, which is also garbage.

22 posted on 11/13/2011 6:00:07 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: Solaia

Pish tosh.


23 posted on 11/13/2011 6:00:09 AM PST by Jemian (Join the Cain Train!)
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To: Solaia
It appears to me that the demoRats have chosen Romeny as the republican candidate. He would be a good RINO candidate. We have a year to watch this soap opera.
24 posted on 11/13/2011 6:00:32 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Solaia

Are you a concern troll?


25 posted on 11/13/2011 6:00:48 AM PST by Jemian (Join the Cain Train!)
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To: Solaia

Don’t care. I will *never* vote for Romney. I’m rooting for Cain or Gingrich.


26 posted on 11/13/2011 6:00:56 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Solaia

Consider the source - Reuters.
They are nothing but Obama pimps so they minimize Cain and attack Romney or any other running RINO competition.
BTW, I’m banned from Reuters posting so you know where I’m coming from.
Cain/Gingrich ‘12


27 posted on 11/13/2011 6:01:11 AM PST by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: All

Nice try Rueters.


28 posted on 11/13/2011 6:01:52 AM PST by Toadman (To piss off a conservative, tell a lie. To piss off a liberal, tell the truth.)
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To: no dems

I think Perry will stick with it at least until South Carolina, but if he doesn’t win anything by Florida he is out.

It would be VERY good if Perry dropped out before Texas votes, because Cain could pick up more delegates here than all the previous likely primary wins of Romney combined, and Romney polls really bad here low single digits.


29 posted on 11/13/2011 6:04:40 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: no dems

I tend to think your analysis is spot on. I would add that I’d like to see Newt stick around a while, but I wonder where his money will be coming from.

The other thing is, when people DO start dropping out, where does there money go? And of course, the wild card is Palin. If she supports anyone, what effect will that have.

I wonder, since she ran with a Rino, will she support another Rino. If she were to endorse Romney, I wonder what impact that would have? (besides causing a few vessels to burst!)


30 posted on 11/13/2011 6:05:27 AM PST by Solaia (Ladies and gentlemen take my advice: pull down your pants and slide on the ice.)
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To: Solaia

If online polls were worth a damn, Ron Paul would have a double-digit lead in almost every state.


31 posted on 11/13/2011 6:06:49 AM PST by Cato in PA (The Herminator 2: Judgment Day 2012)
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To: Solaia

Romney is in the same spot that Giuliani was in during the 2008 race. AND Hillary Clinton. And Howard Dean in the ‘04 Democrat primaries.

Don’t worry about it. These races are volatile and anything can change between now and the first voting.


32 posted on 11/13/2011 6:07:17 AM PST by pcottraux (Alvin Greene/Basil Marceaux 2012)
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To: Solaia

A simple answer, Yes or No.

Do you support Romney for the GOP Primary nomination?


33 posted on 11/13/2011 6:07:23 AM PST by deport
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To: Jemian

Not at all. But I am a realist.

I think the problem is real. I think saying “Romney sucks” is fine, but not realistic. I think saying “polls suck” is fine, and may be right, but also is not realistic.

Romney isn’t going anywhere. He has an endless stream of money. It takes money to win.


34 posted on 11/13/2011 6:07:26 AM PST by Solaia (Ladies and gentlemen take my advice: pull down your pants and slide on the ice.)
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To: Solaia
Romney has clear lead among Republicans

Except for most of the polls where he doesn't.

2) Obama seems to ignore Cain despite polls providing evidence that he should not. Why?

Because, like other potential threats (Hillary and those in Illinois), he plans to knock them off, one way or another, before crunch time. There is NO way in the world, in the small, dark, devious world of what passes for his mind, that he's going to have to run against a 100% black guy from a whole family who's also an American success story who wants to dismantle everything Barry has stood for and then have voters say, "Why did we try the dietetic version first instead of the real thing? Diet versions of the real thing suck."

He doesn't want to see, "As Carter was to Reagan, so Obama was to Cain." He will do literally anything to prevent this, whether at his own hand or that of a Chicago subordinate. Does anyone really think that the administration that deliberately put thousands of guns into the hands of the Mexican criminal drug cartels, that hires tax cheats in violation of their own professed ethics rules, that shovels billions of dollars of taxpayer money into the hands of political cronies will hesitate to try to eliminate the threat Cain poses, and that gets House and Senate leaders to pass bills unread and undebated? And who knows how many other Penn States they have at their fingertips to clutter the news cycle with chaff to obscure what they're up to?
35 posted on 11/13/2011 6:07:49 AM PST by aruanan
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The poll results are from an online survey of 461 Republican registered voters.

Because this was an online poll, typical margins of error do not apply. Despite that, various recognized methods were used to provide a representative sample and weighted results.

It's a bullshit on-line poll, they all are.

Some even count multiple votes from the same computer.

I voted yesterday for Herman Cain and the flawed poll counted multiple votes.

My personal voting drove his results from 47.5 to 50.5 and I got tired of the silly game and left the site.

Even if the poll only counts your vote once, there is no way to prove the a "registered pubbie" is really one, if they ever voted or intend to vote.

On line polls are just the media's attempt to use a technique to shape the news.

36 posted on 11/13/2011 6:08:05 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: deport

“Do you support Romney for the GOP Primary nomination?”

No, not at all. Honestly, right now I lean Cain, but I’m really not thrilled with any of them. And that’s what stinks.


37 posted on 11/13/2011 6:09:16 AM PST by Solaia (Ladies and gentlemen take my advice: pull down your pants and slide on the ice.)
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To: Solaia
Gov. Palin endorses her own backstabber, Milt?

IN YOUR DREAMS, RomneyBOT.

"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"


Poor sport spoiler Romney doing what he does best:

Novak: "Fred Thompson drop-out rumors traced to Romney campaign"

Said Novak: "The rumors were traced in part to Mitt Romney's campaign,
trying to stir up strife between McCain and Thompson
."


"Despite outspending his rivals by huge margins throughout the primaries,
(Mitt Romney, Carpetbagger UT,CA,MA,NH,Mexico) lost Iowa, South Carolina, Florida and California.
The only primaries he won were in Michigan, where Dad was governor; LDS states;
and a few states on Super Tuesday in which his California-obsessed rivals
couldn't spare the cash to advertise.
Only John Connolly in 1968 had a worse cash-to-delegates ratio.
And John McCain rightly did not like Romney's tactics during the primaries.
(W)hen (Romney's early leads) started slipping away, he resorted to unfair,
distorted, scorched-earth negative ads, betting that his opponents couldn't
afford to spend enough for the truth to catch up to his charges."

[Romney: A Mistake for McCain, 7/23/2008, Dick Morris]

38 posted on 11/13/2011 6:09:55 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Solaia

Don’t believe anything that promotes Romney as the inevitable choice. This is what the Dems, RINOs and MSM all want. They never have a good thing to say about any candidate but Romney because they want to demoralize you into believing their lies.

Repeat the lie of Romney being inevitable enough times and they are hoping people will believe it and either vote for him or stay home.

DON’T BELIEVE IT.


39 posted on 11/13/2011 6:12:47 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Solaia

You mistake is beliving a Reuters poll. Returers has a long history of push polling.

Here is a more accurate image of the race

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

In addition, the reason 0 does not attack Cain is he knows Karl Rove and the GOP Establishment Media is all ready doing his job for him in regards to Cain


40 posted on 11/13/2011 6:13:50 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Solaia

Obama seems to be ignoring all the GOP primary candidates. I haven’t seen one Obama political ad (unless you count every time he speaks), but specifically I haven’t seen one ad against Romney.

Romney is not a conservative. So he’ll lose the conservative vote if he’s selected as the GOP candidate. The Republicans will lose the presidential election. Again. Conservatives learned their lesson with McCain.

The Union League Club aristocracy think that if they force Mitt down our throat, we’ll grudgingly vote for him in the general election. I don’t believe it will happen this time. If only folks like Rove would throw their weight behind a conservative, imagine the momentum that would be generated. Instead they savage conservative candidates and alienate themselves from (I’m guessing) a third of voting population.

If it takes letting Obama have another 4 years to ruin the Nation, then so be it. Let the GOP wither, and Tea Party Prosper.


41 posted on 11/13/2011 6:13:57 AM PST by Toadman (To piss off a conservative, tell a lie. To piss off a liberal, tell the truth.)
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To: Solaia
Solaia: "Romney isn’t going anywhere. He has an endless stream of money. It takes money to win."

And where did Milt get it?

"(The GroundZero Mosque) cleared its final hurdle ….
developers plan to build the $100 million center which will include a mosque.
Since its incipient stages in July 2009, when a Muslim-run real-estate development
company purchased the damaged, vacant building and land where the new center
will be built, the project has sparked controversy and debate.
.... the tattered building that was bought by the Muslim real estate company had
been owned by a subsidiary of Bain Capital, a company Romney founded in 1984.

So it’s OK if his company can profit off the sale of the land ."


“Bain Capital, has cut checks totaling $90,000 to Romney’s operation. “


42 posted on 11/13/2011 6:14:07 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Toadman

If more had voted for McCain in November, we’d probably be looking at Sarah Palin’s campaign this year.

Did we learn this lesson?


43 posted on 11/13/2011 6:17:09 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Solaia
Welcome to Free Republic.

Concerned, are you?

44 posted on 11/13/2011 6:18:01 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Solaia

“Why does Romney attack Perry and not Cain? Why does Obama continue to attack Romney?”
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I’m not sure but I can pose a question. Just how would Obama go about attacking Cain? Herman Cain is the real American black man to Obama’s pretender. Herman Cain is a man with a real resume to Obama’s “community organizer” pathetic background. Herman Cain has a known and open history to Obama’s obscure past. Just how would Obama attack Cain in a way that does not backfire on Obama? He could point out Cain’s lack of political background and the fact that Cain has never held elective office but I don’t think that will work very well, people are about ready to PREFER someone without a history in politics. Obama may indeed be involved in the behind the scenes attacks already but the phony sexual harassment scandal doesn’t seem to be working. Everyone I talk to sees it as a lot of garbage.


45 posted on 11/13/2011 6:18:40 AM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: hocndoc
Good point. What has been learned? Has it?

The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++8 pts. days prior to September 18th, 2008.
So the RomneyTeam attacked Gov. Palin and her children to throw Election2008.

"Frum was indeed a critic of Palin, calling her nomination a "huge mistake" during an October 13 Early Show appearance."


David Frum: "Two of our most plausible candidates for president in 2012 are leading Mormons: Mitt Romney and Utah governor Jon Huntsman."


David Frum: "I have a lot of regard for Mitt Romney as a man and politician.
Let me say for the record: If Romney emerges as the Republican nominee, I will support him without qualm."


Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers, some of whom are currently working for Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin's bid for the White House,
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide, now working for McCain-Palin.
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
He's in charge on November 5th.'"
The Prowler added: "Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."
The Romney supporters in the McCain campaign had access to internal polling which indicated well in advance of the November 4 election that McCain had no chance to win.
So they began working to position their man Mitt for a run in 2012. Just two days after the election,The Palmetto Scoop reported:
"One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"I’m told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palin’s people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romney’s former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
These aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.
"...there are some staffers on the McCain campaign who seriously screwed up the roll out of Sarah Palin, to which Governor Palin herself objected.
These staffers are now out trying to finish her off thinking, as typical D.C. types do, that if they don’t do it to her, she’ll do it to them. They just never understood who Palin is or what she is about."
"Likewise, I do think there are some staffers and others who expect Mitt Romney to run again in 2012,
they decided McCain could not win, and decided to undermine Sarah Palin and her chances hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."


"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign? (Mark Wallace, Romney pimp)
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."


46 posted on 11/13/2011 6:21:07 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Solaia

The only thing Romney is leading the Republican field in is our contempt for him.


47 posted on 11/13/2011 6:22:34 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: Toadman

Forgive my ego, but I sort of like the last sentence. Out with the old tagline and in with the new!


48 posted on 11/13/2011 6:24:04 AM PST by Toadman (Let the GOP wither, and the Tea Party Prosper.)
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To: Solaia

I live in west central Ohio, and do not know one person who is supporting Romney. Less than six months ago when I mentioned Cain, everyone of them asked, “Who’s Cain”? Now, he is all the talk. Evidently, this area is checking the man out, and word of mouth is doing wonders.


49 posted on 11/13/2011 6:24:34 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: Solaia

I read I thinkon drudge that gingrich is ahead?????


50 posted on 11/13/2011 6:24:40 AM PST by television is just wrong
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