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Penn State's Sex-abuse Scandal Far From Unique
The New American ^ | Friday, 11 November 2011 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 11/13/2011 9:14:37 AM PST by Paladins Prayer

The Penn State University sex-abuse scandal certainly seems unique. College-football defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky (shown at left) could have been investigated as early as 1995 for abusing young boys, but instead was allowed to commit his crimes for another 10 years. School athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president for business and finance Gary Schultz face charges of lying to a grand jury investigating Sandusky, and university president Graham Spanier has been fired. And even more headline-grabbing, famed head football coach Joe Paterno has also been discharged. While not accused of any criminally actionable behavior, the gridiron legend is condemned for failing to do enough to stop the abuse after becoming aware of it.

Yet, in reality, the only truly unique aspect of this tragic story is that it was reported at all.

It may be hard to imagine a sex scandal more troubling than the one we now see engulfing Penn State. Yet far larger is one we don’t see: Child sexual abuse in American schools that is rampant, regularly covered-up and rarely reported.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenewamerican.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gricar; homosexual; jerry; paterno; pederast; pedophile; pedstate; penn; pennstate; psu; raygricar; sandusky; state
What's the over/under that the media will not continue ignoring this?
1 posted on 11/13/2011 9:14:39 AM PST by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer
I think we underestimate how many people who are basically OK with raping children even if not into it themselves.

I know that's horrible, but that's what it's looking like to me.

2 posted on 11/13/2011 9:22:14 AM PST by Salman
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To: Paladins Prayer

again another reference to 1995? what happened then and where is it written?


3 posted on 11/13/2011 9:22:50 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Tagline for rent: Inquire within!)
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To: Paladins Prayer

What’s the over/under that the media will not continue ignoring this?

They’ll start ignoring it when Sandusky threatens to start naming names. Look for a very light sentencing. Unfortunatly.


4 posted on 11/13/2011 9:22:52 AM PST by stevecmd
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To: Salman

FR is rife with pederasts or at least their cheerleaders and enablers. Imagine how much worse it is at DU or in public schools.


5 posted on 11/13/2011 9:30:50 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Salman

If you stop in on any of the naughty teacher threads, you will see how many freepers applaud adults using kids as sexual playthings.


6 posted on 11/13/2011 9:31:19 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

I asked that same question yesterday, with no replies.


7 posted on 11/13/2011 9:33:06 AM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: MadelineZapeezda
Penn State Abuse Scandal: A Guide And Timeline
8 posted on 11/13/2011 9:34:03 AM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: All

I was under the impression that the Liberal Mantra is “ITS FOR THE CHILDREN”, seems to me football got in the way.


9 posted on 11/13/2011 9:34:46 AM PST by Strutt9
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To: Strutt9

As a Penn State student right now and seeing all this, it’s all so sad.


10 posted on 11/13/2011 9:37:50 AM PST by bjcoop
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To: razorback-bert

1995

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-jerry-sandusky-scandal-tracked-back-1995-coach-s-adopted-son-report-article-1.976557?localLinksEnabled=false


11 posted on 11/13/2011 9:43:45 AM PST by edcoil (I grew up in a country that was honest, I am growing old in a country that is not. I am sorry.)
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To: edcoil

And 1995 was just the first time it made it into paperwork. The charity was founded in 1977. How long thereafter did he begin preying on the charity cases, and what was he up to before then?


12 posted on 11/13/2011 9:55:57 AM PST by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: Explorer89

Exactly....you don’t just wake up one morning and think, “Suddenly, I like boys.”


13 posted on 11/13/2011 9:56:47 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Paladins Prayer
My Bro big time jock...me hated sports...never really liked the way they all played grab ass in the HS locker room showered togetehre etc.......I always thought they were the queers and the bro always told me I was cause I didn't like Gym....shoulda been JIM....
14 posted on 11/13/2011 10:01:25 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Salman

Maybe there will be a song: “The NAMBLA Valley PTA.”


15 posted on 11/13/2011 10:13:32 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Salman
As far as I can see this is another trial and conviction by media. Only some charges have been made, there has been no trial nor conviction. And yet punishments have already been dealt out even to some who have not been charged. We should not declare guilt before a trial is completed because it makes us appear to be like those black hats up in Salem in the 1600s.
16 posted on 11/13/2011 10:15:55 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: fella

Yes and no to the trial by media. I agree that the wheels of justice must turn. But this particular case is not in a stage of “oh, somebody made an unsubstantiated accusation”. For close to 2 years, this has been investigated by a grand jury. There has been a lot of testimony UNDER OATH, which resulted in the two perjury charges for the AD and the financial guy. There has not been a trial in front of Sandusky’s peers (ick, just ick) but there has been a pretty substantial investigation and presentation of evidence in a judicial setting.

I don’t feel like it is a knee-jerk reaction on my part to have the guy pretty much “guilty” in my mind.


17 posted on 11/13/2011 10:21:48 AM PST by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: Paladins Prayer

In the late 80’s early 90’s, a scandal came to light in a “boys ranch” near Olympia Washington. The “ranch” was run by the states DSHS, and counselors were trading sex with boys amongst themselves and with outsiders. The head of DSHS, Jean Soliz, was not even asked to step down by the governor, and the state investigated to find a black hole, where evidence and money was poured. If this were a private institution, people would have been jailed, but it was public, so the particulars were retired, and promoted.


18 posted on 11/13/2011 10:26:04 AM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Read pervert, child molester Sandusky indictment here:

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf


19 posted on 11/13/2011 10:42:24 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Libloather

thanks...missed that column


20 posted on 11/13/2011 10:44:22 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Tagline for rent: Inquire within!)
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To: jjotto

You wrote:

“FR is rife with pederasts or at least their cheerleaders and enablers.”

If you really believe that, then you would be calling the police right now wouldn’t you? If you don’t, then aren’t you a cheerleader or enabler then too?


21 posted on 11/13/2011 10:46:14 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: KeyLargo

Guess what? Sandusky’s pension continues...also Paterno’s and Schultz’s:

When he retired, Sandusky opted to take a lump-sum pension payment of $148,271 from the State Employees’ Retirement System. The rest of his pension is being paid out monthly and is $58,898 annually.

Schultz could be far more richly paid. He elected to receive a $421,847 lump-sum payment at the time of his retirement in 2009, after nearly 39 years of service.

He also receives a monthly pension payment of $27,558 — nearly the cost of tuition for two in-state freshmen at State College. That comes to nearly $331,000 a year.

Schultz had returned to his former post in September on an interim basis while the university conducted a national search for a permanent appointee.

Pension information for former Athletic Director Tim Curley, charged with perjury and failing to report suspected child abuse along with Schultz, was not available because he did not participate in the state pension system. Ousted President Graham Spanier also was not a member of the state pension system.

The Patriot-News has submitted a request for longtime football coach Joe Paterno’s pension.

Information about Paterno’s and Schultz’s pensions is now public information as a result of a five-year court battle launched by The Patriot-News in 2002. That lawsuit, which went all the way to the state Supreme Court, removed a shroud of secrecy that Penn State had demanded for university employees who participated in the pension plan.

— By Sara Ganim and Jan Murphy, The Patriot-News


22 posted on 11/13/2011 10:48:34 AM PST by Palladin (Where is Ray Gricar?)
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To: fella

http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/cs/files/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment-1.pdf

Yep, nothing to see here, just random lies by different people, in grand jury testimony.


23 posted on 11/13/2011 10:48:58 AM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: Paladins Prayer
...Joe Paterno has also been discharged. While not accused of any criminally actionable behavior, the gridiron legend is condemned for failing to do enough to stop the abuse after becoming aware of it.

Why should Paterno be excused for not contacting the police himself? Personal responsibility eluded him. Yeah, some coach, alright.

24 posted on 11/13/2011 10:49:42 AM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: bjcoop

I would transfer. But then, the cult-of-college atmosphere would have discouraged me from attending, in the first place. Right now, I hate football and basketball and slimy intellectual college presidents, in general.


25 posted on 11/13/2011 10:54:55 AM PST by Havisham
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To: fella

http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/cs/files/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment-1.pdf

Yep, nothing to see here, just random lies by different people, in grand jury testimony.


26 posted on 11/13/2011 10:56:35 AM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: runninglips

This will turn your stomach, a definite contrast to the lovey-dovey coverage ESPN had of the game.

At Penn State’s stadium, profanity, scorn greet one father’s protest
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/12/penn-state-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/


27 posted on 11/13/2011 10:58:04 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: vladimir998

The site is being monitored.


28 posted on 11/13/2011 10:58:21 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Explorer89

Gee my bad. I was taught in civics claas (back in the 60s) That a Grand Jury was to see if there was enough evidence to bring charges. Now it seems that it’s to access guilt. I guess Ole’ Mr. Misue taught us all wrong.


29 posted on 11/13/2011 11:03:50 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Paladins Prayer
What's the over/under that the media will not continue ignoring this?

The media is hoping this gets hushed up quickly, as soon as the named perps get whacked or suicided, and silenced.

So does the whole commie left, the establishment RINOs, all the jock faggots across the nation, every college and K-12 school, every NGO used to target "at-risk" youths, every CPS agency, and on and on and on.

The media is working overtime to confine the damage to just Penn State, when it is really a national epidemic.

30 posted on 11/13/2011 11:09:44 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: jjotto

You wrote:

“The site is being monitored.”

Okay, but what are YOU doing about it? After all, if you’re going to claim there are pederasts here and you don’t turn them in, then you’re practically an accomplice, right? Shouldn’t you be turning yourself into the police if that is the case?


31 posted on 11/13/2011 11:15:29 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: dfwgator

If this doesn’t show how far we are into decline, nothing does.


32 posted on 11/13/2011 11:25:15 AM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: Salman
It would seem to me that if old Joe had ask the alumni for a few kids to burn on an alter, he would have gotten a few bus loads.
33 posted on 11/13/2011 11:26:37 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: jjotto
"FR is rife with pederasts or at least their cheerleaders and enablers"

Bullshit.

34 posted on 11/13/2011 12:33:13 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: stevecmd

I predict that if Sandusky doesn’t commit suicide he will die in prison of old age.


35 posted on 11/13/2011 12:34:55 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: fella

“As far as I can see this is another trial and conviction by media.”

You’re mistaken. This is nothing like the lame accusations against Herman Cain.

The major players in this scandal have admitted what happened. Jo Pa said he should have done more. Multiple victims have come forward with a staggering number of incidents, at least one of which was witnessed by a PSU football staffer. The charges have already gone to the Grand Jury.

It’s not a question of ‘if’ it happened. They have done the opposite of Nifong at Duke with this case. There won’t be any charges of malicious prosecution of this whole scandal.


36 posted on 11/13/2011 1:38:28 PM PST by webstersII
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To: fella
As far as I can see this is another trial and conviction by media. Only some charges have been made, there has been no trial nor conviction. And yet punishments have already been dealt out even to some who have not been charged. We should not declare guilt before a trial is completed because it makes us appear to be like those black hats up in Salem in the 1600s.

Well, we know that Sandusky is on record as having to admitted to inappropriate contact with Victim 1 to his mother with 2 police in the next room listening. God only knows (literally) why Gricar didn't prosecute.

Having said that, considering that the DA has said that neither Paterno nor McQueary are currently in danger of indictment, there is desire to go after those two for their egregious moral failings.

37 posted on 11/13/2011 2:05:49 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: Salman
I think we underestimate how many people who are basically OK with raping children even if not into it themselves.

Unless it is a priest, of course.

Insert "priest" in place of "Sandusky" and "Bishop" in place of "Paterno." Why is it okay for Paterno to get a pass but not a bishop?

The double standard disgusts me. They ALL should be thrown in jail.

38 posted on 11/13/2011 2:29:25 PM PST by It's me
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To: It's me

That’s why I posted this article. Leftists couldn’t care less about pedophilia. It’s simply a hammer they can use to destroy institutions they hate, like the Catholic Church. Meanwhile they ignore the child sexual abuse in the government school system, which is 100 times as common.


39 posted on 11/13/2011 4:13:25 PM PST by Paladins Prayer
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To: Havisham

I would never transfer. I love PSU too much and I’m not even a big football fan. I must say there is a strong minority of students that feel it was right for Paterno to be fired. There are a lot of good, common sense students and people here.


40 posted on 11/13/2011 5:23:37 PM PST by bjcoop
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To: vladimir998; jjotto

““FR is rife with pederasts or at least their cheerleaders and enablers.”

If you really believe that, then you would be calling the police right now wouldn’t you? If you don’t, then aren’t you a cheerleader or enabler then too?”

In making that statement, jjotto was clearly acting like an idiot because it isn’t true at all: rife means widespread. Mebbe JimRob will zot his sorry arse for libeling the rest of us, eh?

JC


41 posted on 11/13/2011 11:08:22 PM PST by cracker45
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To: Paladins Prayer

The media will not report it. It involves gay rape.


42 posted on 11/13/2011 11:14:19 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: vladimir998; jjotto

““The site is being monitored.”

Okay, but what are YOU doing about it? After all, if you’re going to claim there are pederasts here and you don’t turn them in, then you’re practically an accomplice, right? Shouldn’t you be turning yourself into the police if that is the case?”

Good point! Sounds like ol’ jjotto is attempting a backdoor shot at intimidation, eh?

JC


43 posted on 11/13/2011 11:17:28 PM PST by cracker45
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To: vladimir998

So, you find it ok to have all the ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’ calls in those pederast teacher threads?


44 posted on 11/14/2011 6:49:38 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Enterprise

Peruse any ‘female teacher molests male student’ thread and check out the ‘guilty’ and ‘not guilty’ type comments. Kinda sad.


45 posted on 11/14/2011 6:51:45 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: RoadGumby

I think people are simply cracking a joke when they do that. It may be distateful as humor, but it isn’t evil in itself. Also, it must be kept in mind that it started as a commentary on how those who were attractive usually got lesser sentences.


46 posted on 11/14/2011 7:11:42 AM PST by vladimir998 (Public school grads are often too dumb to realize they're dumb)
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To: vladimir998

As we say about ‘moderate’ muslims, their silence is tacit approval.

Making light of a situation that has very real victims is beneath where this forum should be. IMHO.


47 posted on 11/14/2011 9:30:03 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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