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Opinion: The Case for Newt (and against Herman)
Jewish Journal ^ | 11/11/2011 | Sammy Levine

Posted on 11/13/2011 9:31:02 AM PST by katiedidit1

By now it is abundantly clear that Newt Gingrich is the best debater among the Republican Presidential Candidates. Some of Newt’s critics will grudgingly acquiesce to this fact, but still brush the legitimacy of the Gingrich candidacy aside, noting that he is an unserious candidate. However, Newt’s magnificent debating skills, his unmatched knowledge of American and political history, his tremendous command of the issues and his eloquent oratory skills should not be taken lightly

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: capandtrade; globalwarming; newt; newtpelosi2012; unglobaltax
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1 posted on 11/13/2011 9:31:06 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1
Which Newt are we supposed to be voting for?

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gingrich-health-care-insurance/2011/05/15/id/396426

Gingrich Backs Obamacare’s Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance (May 2011)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gingrich-obamacare-and-individual-mandate_607924.html

Nov 2011

In response to a follow-up question from Charles Krauthammer about whether he opposed the mandate as a matter of policy or constitutionality, Gingrich replied, “I believe that it is unconstitutional for the Congress to require you to buy something…because then the Congress could require you to do anything.”

2 posted on 11/13/2011 9:32:40 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: katiedidit1

“That great intellect and debating skills are essential for the next Republican nominee immediately renders Rick Perry and Herman Cain unelectable (of course, I would vote for both of them over Obama in a heartbeat).

I’m sorry, but I’ve never been a big fan of Herman Cain. Yes, he’s refreshing and bold, and has a great energy about him. But, I agree with Tucker Carlson, who recently said that Herman Cain is “not qualified” to be President. And this has nothing to do with the recent sexual assault allegations against him.

Herman Cain has made mistakes that, if a democrat had made in similar circumstances, would have been greeted with a unanimous uproar from the right, mocking the candidate as a joke. I’ll give a few examples: Cain’s not knowing what the Palestinian “right of return” was on Fox News Sunday was unacceptable. On Meet the Press, he admitted he was not familiar with the Neo-conservative movement. And did any of you catch the Gingrich/Cain debate a few nights ago on CSPAN? Cain was asked about “defined benefit plans” with regards to Medicare, and passed the question to Newt, as he clearly had no idea what the moderator was asking. Everyone laughed it off, but really? This is who conservatives want to be represented by in a Presidential election against Obama? Someone who makes Obama look like Henry Kissinger with regards to knowledge about international affairs?”


3 posted on 11/13/2011 9:33:07 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

I would be more interested in hearing why any Conservative should ever trust Newt again rather then hearing yet more personal attacks directed at Cain.

For example, am I suppose to vote for the Newt who defended water-boarding last night or the one who was against it when Bush was President?


4 posted on 11/13/2011 9:34:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Which Cain are you voting for? the one that was supported by Rainbow Push and donated money to democrats (for personal and professional reasons) and is married to a democrat? or the one that now claims to be a conservative?


5 posted on 11/13/2011 9:35:01 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: MNJohnnie

Or Cain...who didn’t know if Pakistan was our friend or foe? or who stated his 999 would remain in place UNLESS the politicians raised it?


6 posted on 11/13/2011 9:36:33 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

You mean the Henry Kissinger who said he had talked to all the Candidates and only Cain was asking the right questions?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282241/kissinger-digs-cain-s-brilliant-video-robert-costa


7 posted on 11/13/2011 9:36:40 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Cain was asked about “defined benefit plans” with regards to Medicare, and passed the question to Newt, as he clearly had no idea what the moderator was asking. Everyone laughed it off, but really? This is who conservatives want to be represented by in a Presidential election against Obama? Someone who makes Obama look like Henry Kissinger with regards to knowledge about international affairs?”


8 posted on 11/13/2011 9:37:55 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
Tucker Carlson, who recently said that Herman Cain is “not qualified” to be President.

Cain might have other non-sex issues, but after obama, I NEVER want to hear complaints about ANYBODY "being unqualified".

9 posted on 11/13/2011 9:38:37 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: katiedidit1

Cain did very poorly on foreign affairs last night. Even Perry knew more


10 posted on 11/13/2011 9:39:15 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
Really want to play this game?

Newt loses it.

He has too much political baggage. I have just given you 2 minutes work. Really want me to try dissecting Newt's record for you? So how about you try making a case FOR Newt rather then just recklessly attacking Cain?

11 posted on 11/13/2011 9:39:43 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: katiedidit1

Newt is indeed “the Devil”....
BUT, he is our devil...

Sending a PollyAnna to Washingtom D.C. is a mistake waiting to happen..

That is why.. Gingrich / G. Gordon Liddy(VeeP) is the dream team..
These guys would eat up the democrats like Nova/cream cheeze on a bagel..

True they might steal a few billion.. along the way... but thats being done now in the trillions..


12 posted on 11/13/2011 9:40:14 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: katiedidit1

Here’s Gingrich bitch-slapping Pelley; a thing of beauty!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igxgegOSniY&feature=player_embedded


13 posted on 11/13/2011 9:42:25 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
Do you really think that a person who has employed thousands of people has no idea how medical insurance should work?

Really?

As for “qualified”, it was the intention of the founders of this country that there not be any professional politicians.

Did you not notice that the professional pols all had totally different opinions as to how to deal with Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, Iran, etc.?

So much for the pro pol.

A good exec does exactly what Cain is suggesting....listen to experts in the particular field and pick the best ideas and discard the bad ideas. And for that, you need the common sense required to determine which is which.

As for being a good debater, Newt is the best. But by the same token there are hundreds if not thousands of university professors who could debate the same topics with equal style. But would you pick them for president?

We need a common sense guy in the oval office, something we have not had since Reagan.

14 posted on 11/13/2011 9:42:48 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

Would you consider Reagan a professional politician? he served two terms. Cain did not know the answer and passed to Newt. His 999 now includes a 909 and NO there are many far left professors that would not do near as well as Newt. Newt is moving up because many Americans are listening and who would have thought he would be in the top tier? not Krauthammer or the msm. I would prefer a president that is more familiar with foreign policy since their primary duty is to serve as Commander in Chief and btw...their are many business men that know about insurance ...a dime a dozen


15 posted on 11/13/2011 9:46:59 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: MNJohnnie

Cain has too much political baggage.


16 posted on 11/13/2011 9:48:00 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

Yes, he’s an excellent debater, but he cannot be trusted an inch. All his political life he has said one thing and then proceeded to do another.

And it’s perfectly clear that that hasn’t changed one bit. Otherwise, he wouldn’t be appearing with Nancy Pelosi shilling for huge Global Warming taxes and fees. And he wouldn’t have shilled for Dede Scozzafava, a corrupt, pork guzzling, pro-abortion liberal.

We are at a point where we simply cannot afford another lying RINO, which is what Newt does, regardless of what he says.


17 posted on 11/13/2011 9:49:14 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Game? I see you believe electing the most intelligent and qualified conservative to lead this nation out of the mess it is in is a game...go have some pizza


18 posted on 11/13/2011 9:49:14 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

I am glad that you understand the inner workings of Pakistan.

Now please explain to us who do not, exactly how it works and whether or not they are our friend.

You could start with the Osama drama.


19 posted on 11/13/2011 9:49:28 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: katiedidit1

Newt is a quitter....he quit on his constituents right after he was re-elected.


20 posted on 11/13/2011 9:50:21 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: MNJohnnie

and I can give you information on Rainbow Push..eventually find out how much Cain accepted from them and what they stand for as well as info on the liberal candidates he donated to AFTER he joined the GOP. Stay tuned...more is going to come out


21 posted on 11/13/2011 9:50:51 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

You are making the same mistake the Perry supporters did.

You mistakenly think attacking the other guy helps yours. No it doesn’t.

GOP voters are not impressed with Candidates who attack their own.

You punch at people, they will punch back


22 posted on 11/13/2011 9:51:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: katiedidit1
I like Newt but the writer is an idiot.

In such circumstances, it is essential for the Republicans to nominate someone who can effectively communicate why conservative values are better than liberal ones—not just economically, although, of course they are, but morally, as well. Newt Gingrich does this spectacularly, and with historical examples to support his claims.

How do you know about Newt's background and then write that? lol Is the writer trying to secretly sabotage Newt with that? I'm ok with his past but, why even write that?

23 posted on 11/13/2011 9:52:38 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: katiedidit1

You’re not seriously saying that Cain has more “political baggage” than Newt. That would be laugh out loud funny. I like both of them, but come on.


24 posted on 11/13/2011 9:53:14 AM PST by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: Cicero

Cain is the rino..look at his past, at his wife, at his church at who he donated to after he became a republican...and NO conservative would ever accept money from or be endorsed by Rainbow Push...what Newt did 20 yrs ago in his personal life is history. His daughter wrote a letter about the lies spreading around the internet. It is how he lives his life now that matters. They all have baggage


25 posted on 11/13/2011 9:53:29 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
You're wrong. I listened to the entire debate in real time.

Cain started to answer the question, then remembered that they had agreed that Newt would answer first during that segment and passed it to him.

It was an awkward pause, but not for the reason you state. If you're going to attack Cain, at least get your facts straight.

26 posted on 11/13/2011 9:54:55 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: katiedidit1

Cain has too much political baggage? You mean the non-politician conservative who had nothing to do with appeasing democrats in the name of bipartisanship? You mean the former CEO rather than eye-o-newt with his various affairs, sitting on the couch with the nazi bitch for global warming, kiss a democrats ass at any opportunity to be liked “experienced” politician? Gee, makes one wonder why anyone would choose Mr. Cain instead of that great political genius Newt. No more politicians, obama needs a Caining.


27 posted on 11/13/2011 9:55:05 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: katiedidit1

Would you consider Reagan a professional politician?


No, not at the same stage as this in his life.

At this same stage, serving as governor was only a small part of a very busy life.

Perhaps you don’t remember all of the same very smart people who ridiculed him as a dumb actor, a cowboy who would wreck the world, etc.


28 posted on 11/13/2011 9:55:45 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: AnAmericanMother

I watched the debate and there was no prior agreeement. Cain said that he would let Newt go first.


29 posted on 11/13/2011 9:56:36 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

No conservative would hang out with Nanny Pelosi either. Also his third wife was not 20 years ago. He was cheating while he was Speaker of the House. Anyway you look at that, it’s not good.


30 posted on 11/13/2011 9:57:11 AM PST by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: MNJohnnie
rather then hearing yet more personal attacks directed at Cain

It's not a "personal attack" to say he is not qualified to be President.

It's just God's honest truth.

He seems like a wonderful guy.

31 posted on 11/13/2011 9:58:54 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: RJS1950

Talk about Newt and Pelosi? you Have a photo of Cain the rino and his wife the democrat who probably is in lockstep with Pelosi, Hillary and Moochelle...that is a fact. Gloria Cain is a democrat..she is Cains Pelosi


32 posted on 11/13/2011 9:58:57 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

Regretably, Dede Scozzafava wasn’t twenty years ago. He was instrumental in defeating a good Conservative congressman and throwing the election to the Democrat.

Nor was his global warming fest with Nancy Pelosi twenty years ago. Or his support for Michael Steele to continue as RNC chair, although he was clearly a total disaster.


33 posted on 11/13/2011 10:05:32 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: katiedidit1
who didn’t know if Pakistan was our friend or foe?

Oh, great foreign policy wizard, please enlighten us: which are they? They seem to be whichever they want to be on any given day.

who stated his 999 would remain in place UNLESS the politicians raised it

So, I'm guessing from both of these issues you have with Cain that you'd rather have a candidate who will blow smoke up your butt than one who tells you the truth.

He's refreshingly honest on BOTH points you bring up here. You're going to have to do better than this. Especially if you think this kind of mindless nitpicking is going to move people to one of the unelectable candidates like Perry.

34 posted on 11/13/2011 10:07:34 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: katiedidit1

I see DO NOT look at Newt’s record just bow down and worship the Cult of Personality being manufactured around Newt.

No thanks. Have no interest in repeating 2008 in 2012 with McCain 2.0


35 posted on 11/13/2011 10:07:42 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: hosepipe
G. Gordon Liddy(VeeP)

Gotta admit that I never saw that proposed before, but I like it.

Many years ago (1980's), I saw Liddy debate Timothy Leary on a relatively liberal college campus.

When the moderator introduced Liddy, the crowd booed. When the moderator introduced Leary, the crowd cheered.

When the debate ended, Leary got polite applause. But ol' G. Gordon got loud applause and even some cheering.

Liddy talked straight, and forcefully. He won that crowd over to his side. It was amazing.

36 posted on 11/13/2011 10:08:34 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: All
Newt remains what he always was, 80/20. 80% of the time he will make you proud and the other 20% you will be hiding under the bed wondering WTH he just said or did.

That being said he is probably still the most qualified in the field unless you really want Romney which I personally don't.

37 posted on 11/13/2011 10:09:26 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: katiedidit1
20 years ago? In 2008, Newt was telling us the era of Reagan was over.
38 posted on 11/13/2011 10:10:11 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: katiedidit1
who recently said that Herman Cain is “not qualified” to be President.

He's over 35, a NBC and has been in the Country for the last 14 years.

He's qualified.

39 posted on 11/13/2011 10:10:49 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: katiedidit1
katiedidit1 who didn’t know if Pakistan was our friend or foe?

Now you are just shamelessly lying. Cain statement on Pakistan was perfectly correct and clear. Pakistan is playing both sides. We have no clarity with Pakistan on which side they are on.

You are now KNOWINGLY lying about Cain with that statement

Glad you love your candidate.

Shamelessly lying about the others does nothing to help him

You might really want to rethink your tactics.

Long after this election people are going to remember your chosen tactics.

Really want to be remembered as a shameless liar and childish personal attack bot?

Respect is earned and can be easily lost.

You are are busy losing any respect you might of ever have had here

40 posted on 11/13/2011 10:11:35 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: katiedidit1

Please don’t start attacking a woman you don’t even know. It does nothing to help your candidate. If I were you, the last thing I would do is bring wives into the discussion. One wife for over forty years versus three wives and the last being a trophy with Tiffany jewels to match. That discussion really does not help Newt one single bit. You aren’t helping Newt.

It is a sign of one thing, you can’t win an argument on the issues. But that goes without saying because Newt runs RINO. A detriment on a conservative forum.


41 posted on 11/13/2011 10:11:41 AM PST by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: katiedidit1
Talk about Newt and Pelosi? you Have a photo of Cain the rino and his wife the democrat who probably is in lockstep with Pelosi, Hillary and Moochelle...that is a fact. Gloria Cain is a democrat..she is Cains Pelosi

You're a sniveling little troll, aren't you? I predict your stay here won't be continuing much longer.

42 posted on 11/13/2011 10:13:14 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: katiedidit1
So which Newt are you voting for?

The Newt who defended Water-boarding last night or the one who is against it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Newt_Gingrich#Torture

Gingrich has stated he is “totally opposed to the United States using any form of torture to obtain information as a matter of public policy”, except in cases of grave threats to national security.[107] He believes the use of extreme measures in such cases should be personally authorized by the president. Gingrich does not believe waterboarding is a form of torture, but he said in an interview with Fox News that it’s still “something we shouldn’t do”.[108] However, he has defended the United States’ use of enhanced interrogation techniques against specific high-level terrorists, saying they were used “for the purpose of saving innocent civilian lives, not for taking them”.[10

43 posted on 11/13/2011 10:13:26 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: katiedidit1
Or Cain...who didn’t know if Pakistan was our friend or foe?

We ship many of the supplies to our troops in Afghanistan through Pakistan. Does that make them our friend?

Pakistan harbored Osama. Does that make them our enemy?
44 posted on 11/13/2011 10:14:25 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: katiedidit1
Cain was asked about “defined benefit plans” with regards to Medicare, and passed the question to Newt, as he clearly had no idea what the moderator was asking.

He passed the question to Newt because they had agreed that at that point in the debate, Newt was to get first crack at ansewering. To think that a CEO would have no idea what defined benefit plans are is ludicrous.

You gain no points for "your guy" by telling tales about the others. Stick to why you believe he is qualified to be President. I would say his performance when in a position of leadership is more telling than what comes out of his mouth at any given time, and with that, Newt unfortunately comes up short.

45 posted on 11/13/2011 10:14:46 AM PST by Mygirlsmom ("Get ready for an aberration of historic proportions" ...H Cain.."to correct the last one" MGM)
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To: katiedidit1
Cain was asked about “defined benefit plans” with regards to Medicare, and passed the question to Newt, as he clearly had no idea what the moderator was asking.

Except that a couple minutes after he did that, he was able to speak at length about defined benefit plans. You are either ignorant or a liar or both. I've got my money on both.

46 posted on 11/13/2011 10:17:11 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in.)
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To: katiedidit1

So which Newt am I suppose to vote for?

The one who talks tough on Immigration reform in Arizona

http://www.thirdage.com/news/newt-gingrich-talks-immigration-laws_10-20-2011

Or the Newt who promises Hispanic leaders a “Middle way on Immigration”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2792686/posts


47 posted on 11/13/2011 10:19:14 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: katiedidit1

Newt, Bachmann or Cain would be a fine candidate. Santorum or Paul would STILL be better than Obama. Romney and Huntsman are unacceptable.


48 posted on 11/13/2011 10:20:55 AM PST by ZULU (Anybody but Romney or Huntsman)
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To: katiedidit1

So which Newt do I vote for?

The one who says he is been for Entitlement Reform for 15 years?

http://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-wants-entitlement-reforms-did-15-years-223600741.html

or the Newt who called the exact same plan when Paul Ryan purposed it “Right wing social engineering”

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/newt-gingrich-was-for-the-ryan-plan-before-he-was-against-it/


49 posted on 11/13/2011 10:23:33 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: katiedidit1
Contract With America: The Betrayal Begins

Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave

Newt Gingrich Rides the Third Wave

"In 1994, Newt Gingrich described himself as a... fan of the ideas espoused in the book, The Third Wave by Alvin Toffler, in which homosexuality, promiscuity, adultery, divorce, and abortion are all viewed as perfectly normal and even desirable. He said that in order to understand him, you should read the book, The Third Wave by Toffler. This book is written from the perspective of someone who is writing a letter to America’s Founding Fathers, in which he describes the Constitution and the principles of limited government that guided our Founding Fathers as becoming increasing irrelevant, and obsolete, and hence in need of being radically redesigned and replaced!....When Newt Gingrich became the Speaker of the House in 1994, he recommended The Third Wave as required reading for all of his Congressional colleagues!"

‘Newt’worthy or Not?

Newt: Too Green for 2012

Reminder: Newt Gingrich Teamed Up With Hillary Clinton, Wanted Government MANDATED Health Care

Flashback: Newt Took $300,000 From Freddie Mac to Stop Congress From Making Much Needed Reform

Newt's record is as bad if not worse than Romney.

Newt is for amnesty and in June 2011 Debate Newt Gingrich called Americans Heartless for wanting to deport 20 million illegals.

"GINGRICH: No, but let me say this, John. No serious citizen who's concerned about solving this problem should get trapped into a yes/no answer in which you're either for totally selling out protecting America or you're for totally kicking out 20 million people in a heartless way. There are -- there are humane, practical steps to solve this problem, if we can get the politicians and the news media to just deal with it honestly."June 2011 Debate Transcript

50 posted on 11/13/2011 10:26:51 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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