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Joshua's Ancient War Cry
"Postcards from America - Postcards from Israel" ^ | November 13, 2011 | Norma Zager

Posted on 11/13/2011 2:12:04 PM PST by Ari Bussel

Israel’s New and Improved Ancient War Cry By Norma Zager

“And the Walls Came a Tumbling Down…” from the story of Joshua and the Battle of Jericho.

In Ari’s last Postcard he discussed the new war facing Israel, coming battles that will require new methods, new strategies and new weapons for Israel’s survival.

This is all true were it not for one small caveat: Israel must return to its ancient battle strategy to defeat its enemies, or it will be lost forever.

I suppose at first glance this premise sounds a bit insane. Nuclear weapons will be aimed at Israeli cities, armies will invade them from seven fronts and the war will be swift and sure.

Even as the western world sleeps, Israel’s enemies will level the small patch of ground that is Israel and erase all evidence of a Jewish presence.

Ancient warfare and Sun Tzu be damned. This is a whole new world of war, utter destruction and devastation. Wasn’t it even a Jew, Albert Einstein, who said, “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones?” 
 So what am I babbling about? Ancient methods? Before you judge my premise, please allow me to explain that they are in no way conflicted with the more modern tools of warfare, but actually an essential addition to their effectiveness.

According to the bible, and despite our enemies’ attempts to rewrite Jewish history, the Torah is Jewish history.

One biblical account describes the “Israelites led by Joshua crossing the Jordan into Canaan and laying siege to the city of Jericho.”

God told Joshua to march the Jewish people around the city once every day for six days and on the seventh to put priests carrying ram’s horns in front of the ark. The operative word here is also “ark.” Must we be so literal any understand perhaps this means the Torah in any form?

On the seventh pass they were instructed to blow the ram’s horns. He also ordered the people to be silent, perhaps prayerful, until he commanded them to shout their war cry on the seventh day during the seventh pass around the city.

At the appointed time the priests sounded their ram’s horns, and the Israelites shouted their war cry. The walls of the city collapsed, the Israelites charged straight in and end of story.

Who cares how true or perhaps a bit hyped this story may be? The real point here is not the battle, not Joshua’s extraordinary warrior skills or even if the city of Jericho is in any way vital in the annuals of Jewish History.

Only three words matter in this story: WAR CRY and ARK.

Even the British, one of Israel’s greatest modern-day enemies, tell of a battle cry motto of the English kings: “Dieu et mon droit,” or “God and my right.”

Our new war cry must be: “God and Israel’s Right to Exist on their own land.”

And that Ladies and Gentlemen is why Israel and the Jewish people are in deep trouble as we speak.

It is not her enemies who are defeating her, but Israel herself who has lost her spiritual voice. Has forgotten her instructions from God, her Torah and how to conquer her enemies.

And that is the secret weapon Israel has dismissed.

Singing God’s praises, giving thanks for his blessings and voices raised to the heavens are the greatest weapon ever devised.

When Joshua won the battle, it was because the Lord told him to instruct his people to raise their voices in praise. What voices of praise are now raised in Israel?

Only voices of criticism, divisiveness, scorn, compromise, disregard for such abundant blessings. Is this a battle cry the Jewish people expect God to reward with renewed strength?

Does this inspire Him to fight for our cause?

In actual fact it diminishes our chances of success and our ability to overcome our enemies and obstacles and sets the Jewish people up for disaster.

Why have we learned nothing from our history?

Why are the Jewish people, who are supposedly so smart and wise, such utter fools? Gripe, complain, constantly remind God of their problems.

OY, enough already, He knows!

When we left Egypt, God showed us miracles. After each event voices were raised demanding more proof. More evidence. So challenges continued to be thrust upon us to make God’s point and receive His ultimate message.

At Mt. Sinai when Moses returned to find his people in the midst of egregious behavior once more, he had had it! He called on Israel to either live by God’s laws or die by them. Many died and those who were left alive did penance for forty years.

Why? Because until the people of Israel learned that it was only by thanking the Lord for His blessings, appreciating His gifts and praising Him in battle, could they end their suffering. No missiles can defeat Israel when the Lord is our shield. No country’s evil agenda can draw Jewish blood when God is protecting us.

This fact has been demonstrated over and over in our history. Seas have parted, walls have fallen and powerful modern armies destroyed by a small air force with God as its co-pilot.

Iran may continue to create evil weaponry to use against the world. It cannot succeed if the world remembers its greatest weapon, faith and thanksgiving for the blessings received.

Mankind is in decline because faith has been disregarded. Good works are no longer performed in God’s name and man has become selfish and all-ego (Edging God Out). This is a certain path to total annihilation and the surest way to anger and turn God away.

Just as the Jewish people marched around Jericho and raised their voices in praise causing the walls to fall; so shall fall the walls of our current enemies.

The Jewish people must stop criticizing, stop identifying with Israel’s enemies and give thanks for the blessings and gifts that are the Jewish State. Israel’s light can only be dimmed through the shouts of negativity that bring on the darkness.

March around the walls once more and shout praises and our enemies will crumble. Their weapons will be rendered useless, for we will have the greatest of all weapons on our side: the might of God.

When we finally remembered this spiritual truth, we survived as a people despite the constant attempts to eradicate us from the earth.

If we dig down and attach ourselves to our roots of faith once more, we shall overcome as in the past. Without the “Jewish Secret Weapon” Joshua used so effectively, our enemies may finally be victorious.

Remember the past and no weapon forged for our harm can be successful. That is unless we let God’s protective shield down and forget our WAR CRY once again.

### The series “Postcards from America—Postcards from Israel” by Ari Bussel and Norma Zager is a compilation of articles capturing the essence of life in America and Israel during the first two decades of the 21st Century.

The writers invite readers to view and experience an Israel and her politics through their eyes, Israel visitors rarely discover and Israelis often ignore.

This point—and often—counter-point presentation is sprinkled with humor and sadness and attempts to tackle serious and relevant issues of the day. The series began in 2008, appears both in print in the USA and on numerous websites and is followed regularly by readership from around the world.

Zager and Bussel can be heard on live radio in conversation on the program “Conversations Eye to Eye between Norma and Ari.”

© “Postcards from America — Postcards from Israel,” November, 2011 Contact: bussel@me.com

First Published Nov 13, 2011


TOPICS: Israel; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; israelssurvival; jerichofall; nations; pray; prophets; secretweapon; selfpromotion; warcry

1 posted on 11/13/2011 2:12:08 PM PST by Ari Bussel
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To: Ari Bussel
The walls of the city collapsed, the Israelites charged straight in and end of story.

And massacred every living soul, including the elderly, sick, women, children and babies.
Something to be proud of.

2 posted on 11/13/2011 3:06:58 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Riodacat
Something to be proud of.

Something God told them to do. The land had to be cleansed. Disobey at your peril.

3 posted on 11/13/2011 3:36:55 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: Riodacat
And massacred every living soul, including the elderly, sick, women, children and babies. Something to be proud of.

So, is the troll an atheist, or simply anti-Semitic?
4 posted on 11/13/2011 4:05:30 PM PST by Tzfat
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5 posted on 11/14/2011 5:27:18 AM PST by SJackson (Haven't changed the environment, just take a bath. Eat a piece of chocolate. You need one. Michelle)
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To: Riodacat

Israel was told to do this, the land was to be theirs and Gods Law was theirs to follow. All traces of the existing paganism was to be wiped away to prevent its encroachment into Israel.

Yet, overall, Israel did not obey. And to this day pays for it.

Lastly, if you have a problem with what God told Israel to do, take it up with God.


6 posted on 11/14/2011 6:34:47 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Ari Bussel
Amen !! Brother.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

7 posted on 11/14/2011 6:42:46 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: RoadGumby
All traces of the existing paganism was to be wiped away to prevent its encroachment into Israel. Yet, overall, Israel did not obey. And to this day pays for it.

I think the same thing applies to government.

Just think of all the trouble that would have been avoided if ALL the Clintonoids had been purged when the oval office was sanitized.

8 posted on 11/14/2011 6:56:56 AM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Ari Bussel
!INDEED!

9 posted on 11/14/2011 7:01:08 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RoadGumby
God told Israel to do,

Nonesense.
That's exactly what radical Islamists would say.

10 posted on 11/14/2011 7:59:39 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Riodacat
Nonesense.
That's exactly what radical Islamists would say.

Hmm.. It sounds to me like you know what's better for the world than God does.

What's that like? Frustration? Boredom?

11 posted on 11/14/2011 8:05:16 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Tzfat
So, is the troll an atheist, or simply anti-Semitic?

Well I call the annihilation of innocent Euro Jews in the '30's and '40's mass murder and a holocaust and I would would say the same for the innocent inhabitants of Jericho.
The Israelis of those times were no better than the Nazis or the radical Islamists of today.
Murder is murder and to claim that God told you to do it is totally insane.
We don't buy it from Islamists. Why would we buy it from any other religion?

12 posted on 11/14/2011 8:18:09 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: ShadowAce
It sounds to me like you know what's better for the world than God does.

I assume you believe God is a cosmic Saddam Hussein?

13 posted on 11/14/2011 8:19:32 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Riodacat
I assume you believe God is a cosmic Saddam Hussein?

Nope. I believe that since God created everything, it is all His to do with as He chooses.

Life is only sacred because it belongs to Him.

14 posted on 11/14/2011 8:21:59 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Nope. I believe that since God created everything, it is all His to do with as He chooses.
Life is only sacred because it belongs to Him.

Wow, and I thought Islamists were the only religious nutjobs..
I assume that if you believed you heard God tell you to kill someone (maybe a child) you'd do it?

15 posted on 11/14/2011 8:39:36 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Riodacat
I assume that if you believed you heard God tell you to kill someone (maybe a child) you'd do it?

I'd probably assume that I was crazy, since I'd also know that the seventh commandment is still in effect.

If you honestly don't know the difference between murder and war, you have more issues than can be solved on an anonymous forum, and I suggest you find some professional help.

16 posted on 11/14/2011 8:51:32 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Riodacat
Wow, and I thought Islamists were the only religious nutjobs..

If my view of the sacredness of life qualifies me to be a religious nutjob, tell me why, exactly, life is sacred, outside of God.

17 posted on 11/14/2011 8:53:34 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Riodacat
God told Israel to do,

Nonesense. That's exactly what radical Islamists would say.


The fact that you say this demonstrates that you haven't bothered to do anything more than the most superficial reading. First, the "radical Islamists" claim a world-wide war against anything that is not Muslim. Second, you've got your equivalency exactly backwards: the Muslim over-generalization was derived from the specific and limited instructions given in the Torah regarding the conquest of part of Palestine. Had the Jews and Christians not been the dominant and high-tech culture of the Arabian Peninsula, Mohammed, had he even been born, would have had little if any of another's history to expropriate to provide a historical justification for his warrior cult.
18 posted on 11/14/2011 9:07:37 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Riodacat

And who is your God? Your self? And why should we listen to you, you who are unable to create life on a barren world?

Who are you and who is your God that we should listen to you?


19 posted on 11/14/2011 9:12:29 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Riodacat

The only one of that city that was spared was a prostitute who gave shelter to the spies of Israel. Her and her family were spared, all who were with her at her home. She is even in the blood line of Jesus.

So, no, not ALL were killed.

If you don’t understand that the religious of that time and of that land were abominations with child sacrifice included, then you are not someone who speaks with knowledge.

Yet, the Israelites did not do all of what God commanded, and their religion was contaminated with falseness, and they still pay the price. And this very nation today practices those same abominations of child sacrifice.


20 posted on 11/14/2011 9:19:09 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Riodacat

Read the book.


21 posted on 11/14/2011 9:27:27 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: ShadowAce
If you honestly don't know the difference between murder and war, you have more issues than can be solved on an anonymous forum, and I suggest you find some professional help.

Jericho didn't declare war on the Israelites.
It was a initiation or waging of a war of aggression by the Jews of the time and Senior Nazis were hung after the Nuremburg trials for the same thing - as would Joshua had he committed the same attrocities today.
The Israelis exterminated the inhabitants of Jericho and other cities in the area like the Germans did to the Jews.
Murder is murder. War is no excuse and neither is God..

22 posted on 11/14/2011 10:37:09 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: RoadGumby
Read the book.

The book that says "thou shall not kill" and to "love your enemies"?

23 posted on 11/14/2011 10:40:23 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: RoadGumby
Israel was told to do this, the land was to be theirs and Gods Law was theirs to follow. All traces of the existing paganism was to be wiped away to prevent its encroachment into Israel. Yet, overall, Israel did not obey. And to this day pays for it.

Perhaps Israel's current problems can be traced to a failure to expel the Palestinians at the beginning?

24 posted on 11/14/2011 10:45:51 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Riodacat

As I said, if you have a problem with it, take it up with God.

Israel was/is His people.


25 posted on 11/14/2011 11:04:49 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: PapaBear3625

It has EVERYTHING to do with it.


26 posted on 11/14/2011 11:05:18 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Riodacat
Well I call the annihilation of innocent Euro Jews in the '30's and '40's mass murder and a holocaust and I would would say the same for the innocent inhabitants of Jericho.

Selective memory on your part. Are you American? Do you salute the flag? By your definition, we purposely "murdered" children, women, and the weak when dropped atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. They were both chosen in spite of the fact that they were not military targets. Are you proud of that?

Since you call the inhabitants of Jericho circa 1300 BCE "innocent" I guess we would call you "atheist" then, right?
27 posted on 11/14/2011 11:31:12 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: Riodacat

If you look at the 10 Commandments, and every moral and ethical standard found in civilized peoples (such as proscriptions against incest, bestiality, necrophilia, & homosexuality, and terrible torture, cannibalism, etc.) such practices were routine with the Canaanite peoples.

This is why Israel was indeed directly commanded (it’s in the Bible, you may want to actually read it....before railing against it) to annihilate the Canaanites. They ended up disobeying and intermarrying...and the majority of them later ended up being destroyed (the so-called “lost” tribes), with only the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (mainly) remaining. Some of those who destroyed northern Israel (and very nearly destroyed Judah) were the very same ethnic groups commanded earlier to be wiped out....

Because of blood-feuds and other traditions—annihilation (a lot like our bombing in WWII....) was normal, acceptable war-time practice in the ancient world. You killed all the people in conquering a land...or else any of their descendents would return (even hundreds of years later...see the book of Ruth in the bible) to annihilate your people.

Then is not now....and neither Jews nor Christians, since 3000 years ago, have been commanded to annihilate anyone—as the Torah commands against the Canaanites were very time-people-and-place specific.

Very UN-like the Jihadists, where the Koran gives general commands to “kill them wherever you find them.”


28 posted on 11/14/2011 12:09:35 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: RoadGumby
Israel was/is His people.

How has that been working for them?

29 posted on 11/14/2011 12:10:21 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Tzfat
By your definition, we purposely "murdered" children, women, and the weak when dropped atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

We didn't initiate aggressive war and we only killed til the enemy surrendered and then we treated those who were alive with compassion.
So no moral equivalence with Joshua and Jericho.

30 posted on 11/14/2011 12:13:21 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: AnalogReigns
every moral and ethical standard found in civilized peoples (such as proscriptions against incest, bestiality, necrophilia, & homosexuality, and terrible torture, cannibalism, etc.) such practices were routine with the Canaanite peoples.

there has never been any evidence of that..

31 posted on 11/14/2011 12:14:58 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: AnalogReigns
(such as proscriptions against incest, bestiality, necrophilia, & homosexuality, and terrible torture, cannibalism, etc.) such practices were routine with the Canaanite peoples.

And even if part of this has any validity, does that mean you also have to kill all the victims of torture and abuse - and all the small innocent children and babies? - and then blame it on God - the God of love, of mercy, of compassion, of all that is good?
Peddle your religious snake oil somewhere else, 'cause I ain't buying it.

32 posted on 11/14/2011 12:20:05 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: AnalogReigns
Very UN-like the Jihadists, where the Koran gives general commands to “kill them wherever you find them.”

Leviticus 24:16

33 posted on 11/14/2011 12:24:52 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Riodacat

So far so good.

Why the attitude?


34 posted on 11/14/2011 12:32:56 PM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: RobinOfKingston

Failure to do so led Israel in error - repeatedly.


35 posted on 11/14/2011 1:00:04 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Riodacat

Like someone has already posted to you, read the book.

God has not abandoned His people, nor will he ever do so.

So, the answer to your question is a matter of faith.

But you don’t sound like a man of faith, you sound like an atheist. And atheists have no room for faith, and therefore, fail to understand. To their own demise.


36 posted on 11/14/2011 1:09:10 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Riodacat
We didn't initiate aggressive war and we only killed til the enemy surrendered and then we treated those who were alive with compassion. So no moral equivalence with Joshua and Jericho.

So, you feel the Augustinian "Just War" principle is what is morally correct, is that right? It is OK to obliterate non-combatants if the other side starts it, is that what you think? Or maybe you just think it is OK to kill combatants no matter what. What is your source for morality - your feelings?

Since you think "moral equivalency" is the method for determining morality, am I correct to assume that you were educated in public education? Do you know what truly determines what is moral? Do you think it is what "society" or "civilized people" determine? If so, than I feel very sorry for you. Germany was highly civilized in the mid Twentieth Century. Do you feel the Nazis were wrong because they lost?

When morality is left up to the social ethos, it is subjective and over generations and geography, what you think today is moral may be considered immoral.

The fact is, you would not even think that killing "innocent" children and women is worse than killing soldiers if it were not for an objective morality taught in the Bible. What you fail to realize is that the morality that says that murder is wrong, cones from the same Source that said that the seven nations of Canaan should be wiped out completely.

BTW, why are you even on a conservative site? What defines conservatism is not moral relativism (which you express), but moral absolutes, as defined in the Bible.
37 posted on 11/14/2011 4:06:30 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Ari Bussel
Reading the Bible, Old and New Testament, is an integral part of any vital Christian's life. I am wondering, is reading the Old Testament, the ancient Jewish writings, an integral part of a devout Jew's life? I do not recall reading about or hearing about too many Jews referring to the written word of God or quoting from it. Upon occasion I have seen it written about Jewish religious leaders quoting from the Old Testament but not "lay" Jews. It may just be my path and I have a misconception. Do Jews read the ancient writings of The LORD as a daily part of their lives?
38 posted on 11/14/2011 8:18:27 PM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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To: Riodacat
and to claim that God told you to do it is totally insane.

Unless He did. God has the right to decide who lives and who dies as He is God. Because some phonies try to say that God said this or God said that when He hasn't doesn't mean that He doesn't. You and I do not know why God would want a group of people killed but He did on several occasions and He is righteous in all of His ways. The Israelites were and are God's chosen people whom He ordained at times to speak to, giving commandments and instructions through His prophets.

39 posted on 11/14/2011 8:26:52 PM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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To: Riodacat
It may be possible that the genetic make up of the people in the area were polluted with giant blood (the blood of demons/angels ,son's of God, mixed with man's). The LORD wiped out all people except Noah and his family with the flood. Without a pure race of human beings there could/would be no salvation. Christ came as a man to be our substitute when He died on the cross in our place, paying the blood price our sins required. Giants or part giants could not be saved as Christ was not a proper substitute for them. The land of Canaan at the time of Joshua had many giants living therein.

Also, not everyone was killed. Rehab and her family were saved. She became part of Christ' genealogy.

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Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Gen 6:9 These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God.

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Jos 6:17 And the city shall be accursed, [even] it, and all that [are] therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that [are] with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

40 posted on 11/14/2011 8:43:41 PM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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To: Riodacat

“The Israelis of those times were no better than the Nazis or the radical Islamists of today.”

JACKASS.

Do you already have one of those hipster tattoos around your neck?

If not you should get one soon, ‘cause after you have outlived your useful-infidel status, it will make it easier on you when YOUR JIHADI FRIENDS BEHEAD YOU.

/spits...


41 posted on 11/15/2011 1:42:36 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Riodacat

“The book that says “thou shall not kill” and to “love your enemies”? “

No, the book that says “do not murder” but also “kill your enemy before and when you know he is coming to kill you”.

What hole did you crawl out of?


42 posted on 11/15/2011 1:44:29 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Riodacat
Read Joshua.

Such was warfare in general in the ancient world. Moreover, the Hebrews had sought the land for the institution of monotheism and, by the ¨theory¨ that God told to them create it there, the fact that the previous inhabitants were idoloters, pagans and child-sacrificers was good enough for them to move in.

Though, in point of fact, the Hebrews were actually somewhat lax in the application of this command, for, also in Joshua, there were yet Canaanites in the land whose practices remained sore points for the conquerors. Intermarriage seems to have also been quite common. Ruth, for example, was a Moabite who, as a convert to the Hebrew faith, was in the genealogical line to King David.

43 posted on 11/15/2011 10:18:39 AM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: Ari Bussel; Ezekiel

Got TORAH and my rams horn! Great article, Isaiah 54, No weapon formed against you shall prosper...


44 posted on 11/15/2011 11:29:32 AM PST by Jeremiah Jr (Chi ha-Olamim)
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To: Tzfat
BTW, why are you even on a conservative site? What defines conservatism is not moral relativism (which you express), but moral absolutes, as defined in the Bible.

Conservatism is not the exclusive domain of the ignorant and uneduacted.

45 posted on 11/15/2011 12:29:02 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Yehuda
No, the book that says “do not murder” but also “kill your enemy before and when you know he is coming to kill you”.
What hole did you crawl out of?

Wow, if ignorance is bliss, you must be one happy puppy.

46 posted on 11/15/2011 12:30:55 PM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Riodacat

“Conservatism is not the exclusive domain of the ignorant and uneduacted.”

Well, I ain’t never been “eduacted” so I’m glad I still qualify.


47 posted on 11/15/2011 12:36:01 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: headsonpikes

Add it to the FR lexicon!


48 posted on 11/15/2011 12:47:18 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Riodacat
Conservatism is not the exclusive domain of the ignorant and uneducated.

LOL. "Uneducated"? "Ignorant"? You mean, as in not being able to articulate the source for morality, in either a religious or philosophical context?

Look up "epistemology" and then get back to me when you have spent some time considering how it relates to morality.
49 posted on 11/15/2011 1:02:27 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat
You mean, as in not being able to articulate the source for morality, in either a religious or philosophical context?

The source for morality is the universalily accepted golden rule, although most religions (except for Christianity and Islam) have adopted the more effective negatively framed version of it:
Buddhism: Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful. (Udana-Varga 5:18)
Judaism: What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow man. That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary. (Talmud, Shabbat 31a)
Hinduism: This is the sum of duty: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you. (Mahabharata 5:1517)
Confucianism: Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness: Do not unto others what you would not have them do to you. (Analects 15:23)
Zoroastrianism: That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not god for itself.
Christianity's positively framed Golden Rule which proclaims: "All things whatsoever ye would that man should do to you, do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets" (Matt 7:12). However, most of the Ten Commandments are framed in negatives, as all moral codes must be in order to be effective.
Islam: No one is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself. (Sunnah) This moral code is also a version of the positive Golden Rule. It is very ineffective and ambiguous.

50 posted on 11/16/2011 7:44:23 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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