Skip to comments.Many leftist intellectuals sympathize with mass homicide?
Posted on 11/14/2011 12:12:46 PM PST by bkopto
I think my Ukrainian heritage fuels my twin obsessions with Soviet history and economics. Sadly, this often puts me on opposing ideological ground from my good friends and fellow alumni of the Iowa Writers' Workshop, which recently helped bring Utopia in Four Movements to Iowa City's local tax-supported theater.
Sam Green, the filmmaker who narrated the exploration of "the battered state of the utopian impulse," on one hand described socialism has having gone "monstrously wrong" and on the other expressed open sentimentality for the Russian and Maoist revolutions. He showed pictures of executed Cambodians and also said a copy of Mao's Little Red Book was among his favorite possessions.
For any readers who may have left the theater with a sense of moral ambiguity, I offer this brief history lesson.
In The Black Book of Communism, French researchers estimate communist China slaughtered 65 million of its own citizens. Estimates of Soviet citizens killed by their leaders range from 20 million to 62 million made by political-science professor R.J. Rummel. In Cambodia, after an unholy combination of Marx and Rousseau, they attempted an agrarian-based communist society and managed, in an astonishingly short period of time, to slaughter almost a third of their population.
Perhaps Stalin was right. Killing one person is a tragedy. Killing millions is only a statistic.
The sound of societies turning into gigantic meat grinders was accompanied by three choruses from leftist intellectuals. One sang, "It's not so bad." Perhaps its leading performer was New York Times reporter Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for dismissing the starvation of 6 million to 10 million Ukrainians as "malignant propaganda."
The second chorus sang "next time": Forget Lenin's hostages and mass executions, forget the extermination of the Don Cossacks. The right people weren't in charge. Forget the Gulag Archipelago. Forget China's "Great Leap Forward" and North Korea's "Arduous March." Forget the cannibalism. Revoke private property, and this next time, we will deliver paradise.
The last chorus sang "that's not real communism." For them, I present some of Marx's and Engels' less publicized writing: In the January 1849 edition of Marx's journal "Neue Reinische Zeitung," Engels wrote, "Basques, Scottish Highlanders, Serbs are racial trash and will have to be destroyed." Marx wrote in his "People's Paper," April 16, 1852, "The classes and races too weak to master the new conditions of life must give way. They must perish in the Revolutionary Holocaust."
Green showed a picture of Bolshevik soldiers marching during the Russian Revolution and wondered how exciting it would have felt to be among them. By what standards does he go sentimental? If it's brute force combined with a glorious vision of the future, he could easily include Germany's National Socialists (i.e., Nazis) on his list of supposedly noble and only slightly misguided movements. They had a great vision too, for the living.
Contrary to what I learned in school, the National Socialists of Germany were not ideologically opposite from the Marxist-Leninist socialists of the Soviet Union. Their great difference lay in the fact that one slaughtered millions according to ethnicity and the other slaughtered millions according to "class" the ambiguous, undefined term at the center of Marxism. They were two wings of the same cult of state power, determined to carve society into a better version of itself using bullets and bayonets. It deserves no sentimentalism.
Let's hope the "state of the utopian impulse" remains battered.
"Liberalism kills. When its not starving you, poisoning you, killing you in the womb, letting you get butchered by a tyrant, denying you medical care or yanking your life support, it will come after you with a loaded gun. Liberalism will make sure you die as quickly as possible. Liberals are the people and party of death."
Socialism did not ‘go’ monstrously wrong.
Socialism IS monstrously wrong.
That tagline should have ended with “...for the children”
“Sympathize”?........no, they advocate.
Of course they do...as long as it’s the “right kind” of people who are killed. You know...those who harbor a belief in God, those that believe in personal freedom, those kind of people. You can kill all you want of them.
"Their great difference lay in the fact that one slaughtered millions according to ethnicity and the other slaughtered millions according to "class" the ambiguous, undefined term at the center of Marxism."
"They were two wings of the same cult of state power, determined to carve society into a better version of itself using bullets and bayonets. It deserves no sentimentalism."
But the NYT tells me NAZI are rightwing conservatives that attend TEA Parties.
I’ve always thought Left wingers follow anti-human ideology. They are pro-environment because they’re anti-human
They fear increase of human population on earth
They have such low opinion of other human beings that they don’t think individuals can take care of themselves and require and overlord
Stalin confiscated the crops in Ukraine. Then his secret police raided the homes of the peasants and took all their food. Then a law was passed making it illegal for the peasants to buy food, trade for food, and work for food. They wouldn't let the peasants on the trains to go the cities and try to get food, and many of them died by the railroad tracks. CHILDREN who went to the wheat fields which were guarded by the secret police were shot dead on the spot if they took any amount of wheat. In the winter of 1932 and 1933, 7 MILLION Ukrainians starved to DEATH!
Socialism, what's not to like?
In fact, Hitler got the inspiration for "The Final Solution" from seeing what Stalin did in the Ukraine.
I know of a lot of people like that. They exist by confiscating the wages of others. A lot of them live in Washington D.C.
Dr. Eric R. Pianka, speaking at the Texas Academy of Science in 2006. Pianka’s speech was ordered to be kept off the record before it began as cameras were turned away and hundreds of students, scientists and professors sat in attendance.
Standing in front of a slide of human skulls, Pianka gleefully advocated airborne ebola as his preferred method of exterminating the necessary 90% of humans, choosing it over AIDS because of its faster kill period.
Pianka then cited “Peak Oil” as another reason to initiate global genocide. And the fossil fuels are running out, he said, so I think we may have to cut back to two billion, which would be about one-third as many people.
Later, the scientist welcomed the potential devastation of bird flu and spoke glowingly of China’s enforced one child policy, before commenting, We need to sterilize everybody on the Earth.
At the end of Pianka’s speech the audience erupted not to a chorus of boos and hisses but to a raucous reception of applause and cheers as audience members clambered to get close to the scientist to ask him follow up questions. Pianka was later presented with a distinguished scientist award by the Academy. Pianka is no crackpot. He has given lectures to prestigious universities worldwide.
A good Socialist is a dead Socialist.
*I* hope to see the day it expires, permanently...
Mass death of class enemies is the very PURPOSE of a Leninist revolutionary dictatorship.
While the latter part of your statement is no doubt true, the former is demonstrably false. He *is* a crackpot, as evidenced by the body of your post, and a lethally dangerous one at that...
Lets never forget, Barry’s mentor, the guy down the block, and what the plans of the Weather Underground were and are.
The basis of liberal/leftist ideology is demonstrably Satanic.
Socialism is a symptom of the political disease of Democracy..
Democracy has become a “Holy Word” to most...
When it is merely Mob Rule by mobsters..
Always was, is, and will continue to be...
All of Europe and the cretins in Canada drool over it..
Thats why America is not a democracy...
Any that says it is are droolers..
America is NOT a democratic-republic..
It is a Constitutional Republic.. a unique one..
UNmatched anywhere at any time..
Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution are the words..
Democracy, democratic or democrat USED AT ALL..
It is on purpose.. it is not an oversight..
Liberals’ dedication to the destruction of a free society renders them unfit to live in that same society.
Yes, but a crackpot with a receptive audience.
It presents an interesting situation. What would a nation do if many thousands (tens of thousands?) of its people are billions-genocidal?
The US military uses “surety” programs to insure that personnel who are involved with nuclear weapons are not “differently-mentally-abled”. As little as using cough syrup or any kind of psycho-reactive drug is enough for them to be suspended for a period of from days to for life.
But there is no surety program for civilians in lines of work that are equally hazardous. Should any person who applauded Dr. Pianka be allowed to work with dangerous pathogens? Certainly not. Nor should they be permitted to have involvement with anything else that could be used as a genocidal tool.
I understand he drew great inspiration from America’s eugenics laws, and the writings of one of America’s champions of eugenics, Margaret Sanger. She also founded the organization we know today as Planned Parenthood.
Many on the Left follow a destructive meme that owes its origin, substance and methodology to Antonio Gramsci, Herbert Marcuse, Saul Alinsky and the Cloward-Piven duo. There are many others, but these four are the most toxic and yes, evil of the lot.
The other meme is that of the dehumanization of humanity itself - the reduction of humankind to things, animals or machines. Look to Marx, Freud, Nietzsche, B.F. Skinner, Dr. Peter Singer and the current crop of so-called bio-ethicists for that particular chain of thought. You can hardly ask for something more insidiously evil than that.
Converged and combined, these two streams of thought have served those who have committed the most monstrous crimes in history These are the killers without conscience. The book that I am presently writing suggests that the emergence of the will to power as the driving force behind those who have committed those crimes the slaughter, enslavement, torture and impoverishment of hundreds of millions. As I see it, ideology matters little to those whose desire to control Mankind its merely the horse theyre riding on the eway to dominus terra firma.
We have not seen the end of these monsters, nor will we. The desire to control others and to harm others without consequence appears to be black code thats written into our DNA. Modern ideology, that is, all of the modern totalitarian isms communism, socialism, and so on provide the perfect environment for that black code of the will to power to prosper and flourish. This is one of our great human failings, an aspect of our tragic nature that must always be recognized, fought and destroyed, if only for a little while. But for that, wed be out among the stars by now.
I highly recommend two recent works by Chantal Delsol: Icarus Fallen the Search for Meaning in an Uncertain World and The Unlearned Lessons of the Twentieth Century an Essay on Late Modernity. The insights are compelling and fairly leap off the page. The points of disagreement that I have with this authors works are honest and thoughtful ones. Her European perspective often misses what makes America so unique among the world's civilizations, but is does provide valuable insights as to just why the lights are going out all over Europe. Even so, those points in no way invalidate the main themes of her works.
Because they had studied history and knew that the lives of democracies tended to be nasty, brutish, and short. I should think on a continuum it would lie just short of anarchy, with absolute despotism on the other end of the scale but... the scale is circular because it invariably LEADS to autocracy and a feeding frenzy to get to the top.
Yes, but a crackpot with a receptive audience.
I underlined the telling part of the main body of your original post. He may well *have* a 'receptive' audience, but keeping the speech 'off the record' and cameras were 'required' to be turned off so as to maintain an air of deniability about what he was saying shows that what he was espousing was not the norm, and in fact, were it to become public knowledge, would be considered evil, or at best certifiably insane.
He is a crackpot, and a cockroach who could not withstand exposure to the light of day...
BFLR - everything that’s wrong in the world today can trace itself to the basis of this article.
Some enterprising photoshopper REALLY needs to add Obama to that picture ...
It's simply another manifestation of our sinful nature.
Not a bad statement. I just wish people would use the real term Socialism not liberalism. We are much more liberal then they are and they took it from us. it was originally what we called ourselves. In Europe they still call conservatives the liberals.
"Progressive" was our term. Socialism is just the opposite of progressivism Marx knew his concepts would create more stagnation. Every time we have a good slogan they take it and use it against us.
Charles Darwin, in my opinion, is an accessory to this crime. He was a deist and believed that "God" created the first cell, and then he (God) stepped out of the way and let thing evolve on their own.
We have not seen the end of these monsters, nor will we. The desire to control others and to harm others without consequence appears to be black code thats written into our DNA.
You are correct. You should look at (if you haven't already) the monograph of the Russian mathematician Igor Shafarevich, The Socialist Phenomenon, which has a part which traces the socialist impulse back to antiquity.
I agree with you. I lifted those sentences from an unknown Freeper's tag line verbatim, as I liked it, but I prefer the terms leftism or socialism, personally (like you).
As Jefferson put it
"government is like a fire it must be strictly controlled for safety against its getting out of hand and doing great harm... government is force and must be feared and controlled accordingly."
Socialist have no fear of government and want it to grow like a bomb fire. if one little thing goes wrong with that bomb fire people die.
Smaller the government the smaller the fire and best for everyone
“...were it to become public knowledge, would be considered evil, or at best certifiably insane.”
I grant that he is evil, but I doubt the label of insane in fitting, any more than it would be for Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or other sociopaths.
I call them sociopaths, instead of psychopaths, and yet the two terms are not mutually exclusive. Psychopaths are neurologically incapable of empathy with other people, to varying degrees on a large scale. They may be otherwise mentally normal, and most are not even violent, having other mechanisms to avoid abusing others.
Sociopaths may or may not be psychopaths, but have been *trained* to not have empathy for others. The average education in the Waffen SS was to have a Master’s degree, and yet many were trained to be sociopathic.
This is not, as supposed, done with brutal training, but intellectual persuasion. And this is a telling point. Dr. Pianka is, in effect, teaching an audience of scientists and students to be sociopaths like him, and they have voluntarily been persuaded to become sociopaths.
By any reasonable definition astoundingly evil, but the furthest thing from being insane. And its secretiveness, my point, is not out of fear from the public, but out of *contempt* for the public.
Were you to ask Dr. Pianka or many of his colleagues, they would assure you that the public are far too “ignorant and uneducated” to appreciated the proposed genocide. The ivory tower “us and them” attitude.
At this point, I would like to reference a positively *charming* book, still in print after all these years, which can proudly brag of a book review by none other than the illustrious Abraham Lincoln, who called it “The most dangerous book ever written.”
Cannibals All!, or Slaves Without Masters (1857), by George Fitzhugh. On the surface it appears to be a passionate defense of slavery. But it is more than just a defense, it advocates that slavery is such a powerful force for good, that 9 out of 10 humans should be slaves. Only 1 in 10 are fit enough to be masters. (The book assumes that anyone smart enough to read and agree is by definition, one of the 1 in 10).
Importantly, this 90% theory crops up on its own, independently, very frequently in socialism, and it even did so in the proto-socialism that preceded it.
Fitzhugh was content, however, that 90% of people be slaves. But that is not good enough for Dr. Pianka, who wants 90% of people to be exterminated.
And yet the “us and them” theme is very consistent. Only we, the elites, should rule, dominate and survive. The rest of mankind are contemptible and expendable. (And invariably, the opinion of the 90% does not matter, so trying to teach them this sociopathy is just a waste of time.)
Insane, no. Evil beyond measure, proven.
Which goes to my follow up comment, namely “what do we do with thousands of people who philosophically embrace genocide?”
So, are we talking about Democratic Socialists, or National Socialists?
We have both.
>> Many leftist intellectuals sympathize with mass homicide?
How else would Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc have succeeded?
I hope you guys all read the comments at the bottom of the article.
The nationalist have given up that concept for a more world view. Socialist are socialist they are no different other then giving up the nationalist title
What does any rational person do when faced with an existential threat?
Assuming Hitler said this which I doubt because the word "private" wasn't in his vocabulary. It doesn't make any difference if he said it or not other then I would be surprised to see him say anything about individuality in any since of the word.
Hitler doesn't explain what the logical foundation is. Since Hitler was strongly against the individuals needs the foundation isn't hard to guess. and wanted to do away with private property as we know it today.
Was there something of interest in the comments?
Oh, heck yeah! That super-brain liberal, making bold assumptions about conservatives. Very oh-so-intellectual while assuming that conservatives won't possibly understand.
I laughed. I get a kick out of their snobbery.
Thanks.... will pay attention to those sources..
(a heads up when your book is released!)..
Haven't seen the Shafarevich work. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. Right now, I'm revisitng Fukuyama's Trust (yeah, I know - like a stopped clock, he's right twice a day), but he's got some ideas that are useful as points of departure for other things. He confirms, for instance, Quigley's astonishing analysis (Tragedy and Hope) that defines what he calls the "Pakistani-Peruvian axis" - a combination of Asian despotism and Arabic outlook (key word, that - outlook), both of which have their roots in Bronze Age antiquity, that pervade what Quigley calls the shattered cultures that dwell on its axis. This analysis makes apalling sense out the cultural trainwrecks that persist to this day from the Arabic East (Pakistan) to South America (Peru) - and boardrooms in Paris, London and New York. And it provides the perfect framework for the triumph of the greatest evil of modernity - the will to power as the dominating and driving force of those who would exterminate most of the worlds population and rule the remainder of humanity like cattle.
I fear for our civilization.
I just wish people would use the real term Socialism not liberalism. We are much more liberal then they are and they took it from us. it was originally what we called ourselves. In Europe they still call conservatives the liberals.
“Progressive” was our term. Socialism is just the opposite of progressivism Marx knew his concepts would create more stagnation. Every time we have a good slogan they take it and use it against us.
The terms Communist, Progressive and Liberal as used by the left, all mean the same thing. Let me explain why. Carl Marx in 1848 finished writing and then published the Communist Manifesto. Over the next 30 to 40 years the book gained some followers, mostly self anointed elites with PHDs. ( Now there is a subject worth some grant money. Why are highly educated people with PHDs so susceptible to such an absurd philosophy.) As people became aware of their agenda, the communists picked the term progressive in an attempt to hide that agenda. Years later, the same problem, too many people have spotted the agenda again so they picked the term liberal. ( Note that the dictionary definitions of progressive and liberal are very far removed from the political definitions.)
One of the goals of their agenda is to infiltrate and take control of both major political parties. The Democrat party is at this time wholly controlled, 90% to 95%. The Republican party is 40% to 45% controlled. This leaves WE THE PEOPLE with very little true representation inside the belt way.
If we want to survive, as a nation, as a republic, we must flush the progressives from both parties, from all government offices, from the media, from positions of instruction, both public schools and universities. The progressive political philosophy must be rendered ineffectual, laughable, an object of ridicule. The progressive must be excoriated and driven out of any position of authority. Any adherent of such an absurd idea should never be paid more than minimum wage.
In a brief spasm of vigilantism, shooting or hanging fifteen too twenty thousand progressives would end their agenda for at least two hundred years.
“Socialism, in general, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.”
This can only be done when they hit us with another wave of their version of 1000 years of utopia. right now they are hitting us with Fabian socialism which ethically we can not shoot back
Sadly people don’t seem to learn that the search for & attempt to create a “utopia” always ends up the same way.
That is with folks who aren’t in absolute lock step with the folks in charge ending up standing at the edge of a mass grave followed by a pistol shot to the back of the head.
That is why I like the idea of a Republic you can live your life for the most part as you want but in a utopia if you don’t fit the mold exactly you are subject to removal/liquidation/extermination to preserve the utopia.
Thanks but I think I’ll pass on Utopia.