Skip to comments.Cain Supports Collective Bargaining for Public Unions?
Posted on 11/14/2011 6:58:25 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
In an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Herman Cain said he supports the "right" for public employees to bargain collectively. In other words, he is in favor of unions on the taxpayer dime. Cain also said federal workers have unions, meaning the right to collectively bargain, but they do not.
On the issue of collective bargaining, Cain said he supported the right of public employees to bargain collectively.
"But not collective hijacking. What I mean by that, if they have gotten so much for so many years and it's going to bankrupt the state, I don't think that's good. It appears that in some instances, they really don't care."
(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...
As we all know, the SEIU, et al, represent a big piece of the Fifth Column in this country. I am very surprised that Cain supports these Marxist extortionists if that is the reality here. His past business ties probably play a big role in this...(?)
Cain sounds a little waffly on this. Not good.
The Postal Reorganization Act gave collective bargaining rights to Postal Employee Unions.
Time for Townhall to get up to speed on the law.
I’m a Cain supporter, but this is seriously disturbing. This could be enough to make me switch my support to Newt, although I’m not that comfortable with Newt either.
>> The Townhall folks keep coming up with this thing that federal workers don’t have the right to bargain through unions. >>
That may be true, but Townhall folks aren’t running for President. I don’t really care if they get it right or not. I am very concerned that the candidates on “our side” get it right however. And the right answer, as even FDR and George Meany would admit, is that public sector workers SHOULD NOT have the right to unionize.
did he really say that?
Can we believe any of the media outlets?
They cleaned them out. He recognized them.
You must want theCommies back eh?!
You tricky devils never give up.
Watch the video...
With all due respect, WTH are you talking about? If you support public unions, you are on the wrong website.
Cain on unions:
He is against the Employee Free Choice act (forced unionization) - (www.hermancain.com/ “Issues” , May 21, 2011)
He is against Card Check - (Political column, THE New Voice, “Card Check Lies” , Feb 9, 2009)
He supported Scott Walker and spoke at the rally this year - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijx6ryJtvII
His empowerment zones are right to work only - http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/10/20/union-bosses-unleash-on-herman-cain-for-targeting-unions-sacred-cows/
He is also pro-Muslim
no he’s not.
I am aware of those positions. Very aware. But this is a strange position IMO.
His empowerment zones bug me.
And his reliance on the “Super Committee”
Roosevelt made a deal. You cited FDR as being against organization within public employee groups.
It's not that you lied about it ~ it's that times changed and real live Communists became a very real threat. The FBI couldn't get them out of the government agencies. Neither could the War Department or the Navy Department.
Non Communist federal employee union leaders came forward and did the job with fists, guns, harassment, intimidation, abuse ~ it was a regular war ~ and you want to turn your back on the deal?
You're nuts ~ you'll get Commies back in the government ~ they'll make the goons and thugs at SEIU look like pussy cats.
Anti-Communism is still an FR option the last time I looked.
I don’t like the empowerment zones particularly, but I like 999 overall. And I think you’re mistaken on his stance on the super committee..
I find your analysis insane and your connection of dots fanciful at best and absurd at worst.
FDR was philosophically against public sector unions for the same reason any sane person would be - that it puts the public servants in a position of negotiating AGAINST the tax payer which is simply an unsustainable and ludicrous position.
The idea that getting rid of public sector unions would strengthen communist influence on our government is one of the most ridiculous positions I’ve ever seen on FR.
You had probably best straighten out your thinking here. Joe McCarthy was not wrong.
Prove it! I think you're full of BS.
>> You don’t know your Commies. The fact you are against worrying about that aspect of our history is highly disturbing. Maybe you do know your Commies.
You had probably best straighten out your thinking here. Joe McCarthy was not wrong. >>
You are obviously many drinks into your nighty toddies. The post above makes no sense in light of what I have said - and the idea that being against government unions is the same thing as being pro communist is simply an absurd and deranged position that has not even the slightest scintilla of common sense to back it up.
Go away union troll.
“I call on the Super committee to pass the phase 1 enhanced plan along with their spending cuts”
This is from his own website which I see he has reoutlined and revised.
I used to read even worse.
At least he lists the phases chronologically now.
That is funny as L !!!
Oh sheesh did you get me laughin’! I almost stop, then I look and start again!
Bargaining implies that you have opposing interest sitting across the table. When public sector collective bargaining is in play, and especially when Democrats are in power, there is nobody sitting across the table representing the interest of the taxpayer.
It is always difficult to take a complex issue and turn it into a one liner. Should public employees have a vehicle in which to voice their concerns about salary, benefits, pension, and working conditions? Now the big question, should that voice be the local employees operating independently or should that voice be an international union that is in bed with the politicians?
I will have to hear more before I write Cain off.
you say - “did he really say that?
Can we believe any of the media outlets?”
scroll down and listen to his own words.
Hey, Herman - you don’t ‘bargain’ with the devil and win - you don’t keep the devil in line if you bargain with him. You kick his AS - ah, tail feathers.
Yea! And we are against it ...that’s what elections are all about.
The choice was to allow a Communist takeover of federal unions or an American takeover of federal unions.
FDR let the Americans do it.
He changed his PHILOSOPHICAL mind.
You newbies imagine history started the day you first said "Hey, yo, TEA Party". It didn't. There's been a lot go on long before you figured out you had a public responsibility to yourselves, your family and your fellow citizens.
Time to catch up with reality.
Not surprised. I'm not a single-issue voter, but Cain is uninformed on too many topics. Obama will clean his clock in a debate.
>> I will have to hear more before I write Cain off. >>
I am far from suggesting anyone write him off - but I do find his position on this puzzling and not consistent with many other things he believes. I wonder if this is the result of some bad internal advice.
>> I will have to hear more before I write Cain off. >>
First refuge of someone getting killed in a debate — waaah waaah I’ve been on FR longer than you — waaah. For your information, and I know this will rock your tiny little pathetic world, but there is political debate OUTSIDE of FR. Yep, there is. There really is. In fact, many of us have been involved in it for many many years. FR rocks, but it ain’t the only thing. Except in your life.
Besides, your history may be correct in some technical points but to stretch that to mean that anyone who IS AGAINST PUBLIC UNIONS IS THEREFORE IN FAVOR OF COMMUNIST INFLUENCE ON OUR GOVERNMENT is just a borderline mentally retarded conclusion. I’m sorry, it just is.
Newswflash...the communist are still in the government...never really left!!!
Once the Commies were rooted out of the government (and particularly the Communist unionizers were a bit more than "rooted out") Roosevelt issued an executive order that allowed federal employees to write to their Congressmen.
Prior to that the only one speaking for federal employees to Congressmen were union reps. Approval to write to your Senator came later. You could get in serious difficulty just writing to a state legislator.
People who want to roll things back to the days before recognition are playing with some serious fire.
soon freepers will see the light. I’ve finally made my choice & he’s by far the smartest guy in the room. I just can’t believe you’ve all dismissed him for this long.
>> When public sector collective bargaining is in play, and especially when Democrats are in power, there is nobody sitting across the table representing the interest of the taxpayer. >>
YEP, a point made in this article in fact:
That's why it's necessary to keep federal employee organizational activities open and above board. If you drive that underground you'll get Commies.
You are the puke who started name calling when you lost ~ BIG ~ face it you’ve got nothing puke ~ you said “Troll”.
Your attempt to flash an alleged credential so we can just forget about the Communist threat of the last several decades is truly pitiful.
Just won't work. Lots of things happened. Joe Stalin (i'm sure you remember him ~ probably even have his picture nailed above the head of your bed) made a big push to inbed his Communist followers in the US government and it wasn't just at higher levels as appointees in State Department, etc.
He had low level folks infiltrate every agency including the Post Office Department as clerks, warehouse workers, whatever it took. He had Communist party union organizers working in the federal government. By 1941 we were at war with the Axis.
You people want to just forget Joe Stalin, WWII, the whole deal.
Ronald Reagan would have spit you out.
you’ll have to excuse muahiyah - she worked in the post office for 38 years, so she brings a real skewed point of view to this debate. Apparently wrote work place rules for the post office for 38 years. That would fry anyone’s brain not to mention insulating them from any whiff of the real world.