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Cain Supports Collective Bargaining for Public Unions?
Townhall ^ | 11-14-2011 | Kate Pavlich

Posted on 11/14/2011 6:58:25 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright

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To: C. Edmund Wright

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/11/14/videos_cain_self-destructs_on_libya,_unions

very disturbing - the Union take over of America is what obumbles promised the unions.

WE don’t need this ‘dream’ carried on: “SEIU! SEIU! SEIU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQj-xBH30-I&feature=related

This is no small matter.


51 posted on 11/14/2011 7:58:20 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: muawiyah

Your 38 years of being a US Postal Worker bureaucrat has impeded your ability to make any sort of logical connection to reality.


52 posted on 11/14/2011 7:58:42 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: bwc2221
Trumka may, in fact, be a murderer. Stern is pretty much a thug ~ more in line with the Mafia model than the traditional Commie bunch, but still a thug.

They got where they are the old fashioned way ~ fear, intimidation, beatings, stolen elections, bribes.....

Time for a clean up, and if the FBI can't do it, somebody else will have to. Wonder where we can find patriotic red-blooded Americans to do that job?

Townhall perhaps? The TEA Party? Maybe the RNC national committee?

What about from the ranks of union members dissatisifed with what's going on. That's what FDR did. It worked. Time to do it again if we can get these anti-union jerkoffs out of the way. They'd rather have underground labor agitation replete with Commies than something more useful and normal.

The choice is you believe in American values and American rights or you don't.

53 posted on 11/14/2011 7:59:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; C. Edmund Wright
The choice was to allow a Communist takeover of federal unions or an American takeover of federal unions.

While the concern and activities you reference occurred roughly as you relate, do you hold that they were successful and in fact removed communist influence from American labor unions or even public employee unions only?

From my considerable experience with unions since the 1960's, I would testify that the effort to rid unions of communists was no more than 50% successful at best.

54 posted on 11/14/2011 7:59:53 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

My statement above on public sector collective bargaining is pretty definitive in my view... Once you understand that statement - there is no logical justification for public sector unions...

I’m familiar with FDR’s view on the subject. Not a crazy fan of him, but I’m in alignment with him on this subject...

Flame away...


55 posted on 11/14/2011 8:00:32 PM PST by TBBT
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To: muawiyah
You really have no idea what you are talking about. Ignorance of American history is no excuse for anyone ~ not you, not your funny little friends, not your buddy Obama and his running dog lackeys

You can post this and then have the nerve to complain about personal attacks. You really are a piece of work. And by the way I am a retired Social Studies teacher and you are the one who is clueless. The last time I looked Obama was for you union lackeys!

56 posted on 11/14/2011 8:01:02 PM PST by ontap
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To: smoothsailing

Man, you’re dangerous! :D How about posting a warning first? LOL!


57 posted on 11/14/2011 8:01:21 PM PST by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Doesn’t surprise me one bit. He wants that UNION Label.


58 posted on 11/14/2011 8:01:56 PM PST by marty60
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To: Navy Patriot

You make a good point - of course it would be ridiculous to think that the communists were eradicated and of course it would be naive not to look at the SEIU of today and not see that they are still communist statist radicals even if they were at one time eradicated.

Besides, there is no way in hell to make the case that to be anti government union is the same thing as being pro communist, as this 38 year veteran of the Post Office wants us to believe.


59 posted on 11/14/2011 8:02:35 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: muawiyah

why don’t you two take it to the “private’ box - geeze


60 posted on 11/14/2011 8:03:00 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: TBBT

I don’t know who you expect to flame you on that point. Most everyone is in agreement with you. I certainly am.


61 posted on 11/14/2011 8:03:59 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

State logic... Get flamed... Just seems to be the way of things...


62 posted on 11/14/2011 8:06:17 PM PST by TBBT
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To: Navy Patriot
The unions representing the postal workers definitely cleared the decks. The folks following on in the 80s and 90s kept them pretty clean of that particular problem.

The SEIU deal is a different kettle of fish.

Laborer's Union let down it's guard and SEIU started winning representational votes. You can tie that to the influence of the insurance company owned by the Tisch family who pretty well took over LUNA. it's analogous to Fidelity Trust's retirement plan salesmen opening up the ranks of so many Main Stream Protestant bodies to homosexuals ~ they pay well, have no dependents and die younger which actually reduces the cost of the retirement plans for "the others" substantially. Think that didn't sell well to churches with declining membership?

You're still going to have Democrats working in the government ~ unless you want to start stripping them of their civil liberties (which probably ought to be done in many cases just for general principles).

I have no doubt that there are still Commies in the government who are ready to step out and organize Communist led unions and they are waiting for the time to do that.

We also have those who are in the Conservative Movement who want us to believe that we will do well by eradicating unionism among federal employees.

They'd rather do that than privatize government agencies.

63 posted on 11/14/2011 8:07:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

>> We also have those who are in the Conservative Movement who want us to believe that we will do well by eradicating unionism among federal employees.

They’d rather do that than privatize government agencies. >>

Uh no, most conservatives would be in favor of both remedies. The two are not mutually exclusive by any means. They would both be a huge improvement over the status quo.


64 posted on 11/14/2011 8:09:59 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I'm sure you called in begging for a refund of all your postage on your campaign literature after you lost.

DOES NOT HAPPEN, but your's is a special class of human.

65 posted on 11/14/2011 8:10:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

>> I’m sure you called in begging for a refund of all your postage on your campaign literature after you lost. DOES NOT HAPPEN, but your’s is a special class of human. >>

WTF does that mean?
No wait. Never mind. I don’t waste my time with government union members like you.


66 posted on 11/14/2011 8:12:12 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Most Consevatives find federal government emplyee unionization way at the bottom of the list of concerns.

You should focus on local and state unionization ~ that's where the big problems with the marching morons and Commie agitation has been.

Why don't you take care of places where there's a problem FIRST.

67 posted on 11/14/2011 8:12:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Never was a member. Just worked there telling them what to do.


68 posted on 11/14/2011 8:13:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Fact is muahiyah is delusional...she is against unions except the one she belonged to...how convenient!!
69 posted on 11/14/2011 8:14:06 PM PST by ontap
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To: muawiyah

>> You should focus on local and state unionization ~ that’s where the big problems with the marching morons and Commie agitation has been. >>

I am against ALL public sector unions — yes, that’s PUBLIC SECTOR which means FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL. And ALL of them are a Federal issue because the STIM BILL bailed out state and local unions!!

And as the moderator (see my tag line) I asked all the candidates about this issue 8 days ago in fact, and I tied the state and local unions to Federal stim funds as a way to make it pertinent to the Presidential election, and all but one were expressly AGAINST ALL PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS.

And the question, if I do say so, was brilliantly crafted.


70 posted on 11/14/2011 8:14:39 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: ontap

I also think she’s deep into the sauce tonight. Her commie argument was simply beyond delusional. It has to have been chemically powered to boot.


71 posted on 11/14/2011 8:16:46 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: ontap
The biggest group of federal unions represent postal workers and include a supervisors' association and a postmasters' association. APWU and NALC simply have not been known for anything outside of your normal AFL-CIO sort of union process.

They don't have the right to strike and haven't.

72 posted on 11/14/2011 8:16:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ontap

You struck first.


73 posted on 11/14/2011 8:19:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You started the personal attacks by calling him ignorant and an Obama supporter. Looks like you can dish it out but not take similar jabs in return. JMO.


74 posted on 11/14/2011 8:22:30 PM PST by pogo101
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To: C. Edmund Wright
People with an insufficient understanding of American history (like Obama) always imagine they brilliantly craft everything.

I have yet to see anything of the kind out of you.

75 posted on 11/14/2011 8:22:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: pogo101

You didn’t read everything did you? Try again.


76 posted on 11/14/2011 8:23:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TBBT

Have you watched it yet?


77 posted on 11/14/2011 8:27:49 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
It reminds me that Ronald Reagan cleaned Commies out of the Screen Actors Guild and brought an end to the USSR.

That escaped your attention I am sure.

How old are you?

78 posted on 11/14/2011 8:30:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I’m not 100% sure of the dates or details, since my parents were rather close-mouthed on the subject, but sometime prior to 1942, my father, who was a very low-level Federal employee, was strongly advised by someone with official status to lose an entire group of acquaintances who were (or were suspected of being) communists. He was working in DC and shortly thereafter transferred to the Midwest.

So, *something* did go down back then. I also remember being told that the entire family could be subject to Pinkerton investigations, at random, every few years. I was counseled before going to college (1961) to never sign any membership list of any organization.


79 posted on 11/14/2011 8:30:38 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: muawiyah

http://www.nrtw.org/en/d/big_labor_special_privileges.htm


80 posted on 11/14/2011 8:31:59 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: muawiyah

Good comeback. Not.

What I read is your insult followed by your invocation of the personal-attacks rule (in response to what was a far MILDER attack than YOURS which preceded it).

Is “flaming hypocrite” a personal attack?

Because you’re a retired postal employee union-eer, I’ll add: That’s a rhetorical question.

Nice NOT knowin’ ya.


81 posted on 11/14/2011 8:32:12 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Theo

Watched what?


82 posted on 11/14/2011 8:33:04 PM PST by TBBT
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I was interested in Cain at first, but he has continually shown that he is not ready for primetime.

There's also a video today of him showing his awful grasp of current events / foreign affairs:

Brutal: Cain blanks on Libya, supports collective bargaining for public employee unions

83 posted on 11/14/2011 8:34:20 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: muawiyah

No I didn’t ..can you count?


84 posted on 11/14/2011 8:40:23 PM PST by ontap
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To: reformedliberal
The big push back against the Commies in the government started about 1942.

We'd had two years of close contact with the USSR at the time (sending them food, ammunition and vehicles for the war) and Stalin's guys decided we were probably an unreliable ally so they began the big push to get their domestic Communist allies into the government to insure we stayed in the war.

This more recent business of pulling out of VietNam, Iraq, etc. before completion of the task at hand is not new in this country, and the Russians didn't wish to be eradicated by the Germans, nor did the Commies want to have to turn into Nazis (or go to the oven factories for reassembly into constituent atoms).

Next thing you know the US government had Communist union organizers organizing!

Roosevelt had a stark choice ~ give in to the American union organizers (from the AFL/CIO movement) or find himself answering to Communist dominated unions.

Stalin was pretty thorough. He had control of people like I.F.Stone for example. I.F.Stone managed to keep Communists in the US fully informed regarding Politboro positions on everything. People like David Axelrod's mother worked for I.F.Stone.

He grew up under the tutelage of a mother who was part of Joe Stalin's Communist Party propaganda and internal US communication apparatus.

That stuff continued on after the end of WWII.

There are people here who want you to FORGET what went on in the dark days of WWII. You'd better believe Obama and his Leftwingtard lieutenants want you to give up your concern over Communist infiltration of the federal workforce.

85 posted on 11/14/2011 8:41:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

They were threating to strike when Reagan fired the air traffic controlers.


86 posted on 11/14/2011 8:42:14 PM PST by ontap
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To: WriteOn

How ironic that you write “truth” when you are such a liar.


87 posted on 11/14/2011 8:45:00 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: dagogo redux

Take a good look at #2. You might imagine that’s directed at factory only unions, company sponsored unions, small locals in specialty trades ~ but it was originally designed to allow more socially acceptable unions to kick out the Wobblies and a wide variety of Anarchist groups pretending to be unions (remarkably like the “Occupy WS” groups today).


88 posted on 11/14/2011 8:45:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Maceman

I still support him 100 percent. He says he supports the “RIGHT” for them to make fools of themselves. I agree. Who cares. We could not have had a better outlook on this. I say let them continue making fools of themselves until November 2012. I love it. Killing each other, getting arrested, making a mess, getting kicked out of places, stinking up the place. I love it!!!!!


89 posted on 11/14/2011 8:47:05 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: smoothsailing

lol!


90 posted on 11/14/2011 8:47:05 PM PST by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9)
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To: muawiyah
I have no doubt that there are still Commies in the government

Good, we agree.

It didn't take the Commies long to figure out they'd never take America by confrontation and force, their only hope was stealth, sabotage, agitation, dissatisfaction, and dissent. Communism was already establishing such a poor record that the news of it had to be suppressed, and communism had to disappear.

So the overt commies did just that, and their covert compatriots stayed right where they were and sabotaged away.

They have been incredibly successful, so much that most commies nowadays don't even know that they are commies.

Got doubts? Consider the fact that every environmentalist/climate change/cap and taxer is a commie tool or a covert commie working toward the confiscation by regulation of all private property. Environmental concerns are just a ruse, and the Alinsky method is always employed to create the crisis need for Marxist solutions that are never properly called "Marxist".

Certainly all unions need close scrutiny for communist infiltration, most especially public employee unions, and even if found to be clean, public employee unions should be forbidden by law from collective bargaining on monetary issues as their employers have no barganing rights at all.

91 posted on 11/14/2011 8:48:53 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: ontap
Who threatened to strike?

You mean the strikers who got fired? Not everybody went on strike. Not everybody got fired. PATCO got decertified too.

Federal employees have no right to strike.

92 posted on 11/14/2011 8:49:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: pogo101
I said "ignorance of history" and we can certainly include in the crowd of folks who are suffering from "ignorance of history" Barack Obama!

That is not name calling ~ I didn't call him ignorant, but if you want to, you are free to do that.

BTW, "ignorance" is remediable. Stupidity is different.

93 posted on 11/14/2011 8:51:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Navy Patriot
Extending collective bargaining rights to USPS employees, and the establishment of the Independent Postal Rate Commission, took the battle over Postage Rates and Postal Pay out of the hands of Congress.

There were NO COMPLAINTS.

The Post Office department could create difficulties that could tie up most of Congress for months at a time ~ with NO WINNERS.

Be careful what you ask for.

94 posted on 11/14/2011 8:54:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Short of thermonuclear annihilation just what is our position on Libya?
95 posted on 11/14/2011 8:56:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Short of thermonuclear annihilation just what is our position on Libya?

Current US position: support the rebels against Khaddafy.

96 posted on 11/14/2011 9:10:00 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: SeafoodGumbo

That’s hardly a policy. Or at least not a relevant one.


97 posted on 11/14/2011 9:12:47 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
There were NO COMPLAINTS.

From who, I certainly heard a lot from my fellow citizens, and I seem to remember the term "going postal" having a specific origin.

I think we are going to fail to agree on whom should be directing a Constitutional agency, the people, or the union execs.

98 posted on 11/14/2011 9:14:22 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: muawiyah

Public sector unions have caused much of the fiscal crisis and bankruptcy problems for European countries and yet you and Cain think public sector unions are ok?

It is a major philophical deviation from conservative view points and you lame reference to FDR etc doesn’t wash.


99 posted on 11/14/2011 9:21:24 PM PST by GregH
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To: maine-iac7
Cain calls the unions the devil? That's it! He really IS politically suicidal.

As nominee, the question becomes how many GOP House & Senate seats does he take down with him.

More and more it looks like this Emperor has No Clothes.

100 posted on 11/14/2011 9:36:17 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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