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Columbia Association to hold woman-only swim times
baltimoresun.com ^ | Nov.14, 2011 | Jessica Anderson

Posted on 11/14/2011 7:19:42 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

When Shehlla Khan's husband became ill, it fell on her to take their three children to the pool. But for Khan, who is Muslim, the task was difficult.

The Columbia resident said she was concerned about people watching her swim in the conservative, cover-all dress required by Islamic dress codes, and thinking: "What's wrong? Why can't you take it off?"

So Khan, 39, brought the issue up with members of her Dar Al-Taqwa mosque in Ellicott City. The mosque, along with members of a faith-based county group, People Acting Together in Howard, met with the Columbia Association to create a twice-weekly, women-only swim time, a trial that is scheduled to be announced Tuesday.

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The Columbia Association, which operates 23 pools in Howard, will join other communities that have made similar accommodations to create a more welcoming atmosphere for Muslims and other female swimmers.

New York City's recreation and parks department offers a women-only swim time at the Metropolitan Recreation Center. Pools around Toronto and other cities have also offered similar options, according to news reports. And at a swimming pool in Seattle, Muslim woman have used brown paper to cover glass windows, providing privacy from the lobby.

Several private universities, including Harvard and George Washington, also have provided female-only swim times, with several hours a week set aside. But occasionally, such programs have run into opponents who suggest they unfairly cater to one group. At George Washington some complained, citing concerns over the program infringing on American liberties.

"It's a positive thing," said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. "Not everyone has the same needs. It's just expanding the level of interaction with the local community and recognizing that people are different.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: aclumia; cair; churchandstate; discrimination; doublestandard; islamicimperialism; islamiclaw; mosqueandstate; ocd; savethemales; segregation; sharialaw; taxdollarsatwork; womensrights; youpayforthis

1 posted on 11/14/2011 7:19:44 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

She could try the Toronto YWCA where the little boys and girls can swim naked together...


2 posted on 11/14/2011 7:23:53 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

wait until that world clashes with the GLBTwhatever world.


3 posted on 11/14/2011 7:25:46 PM PST by NonValueAdded (At 4 AM, it is a test; at 2 PM, it is a demonstration)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m thinking of going to Mecca to open up a women’s clothing boutique...the line...(borrowed from North Face)...No Face.

I could be RICH!


4 posted on 11/14/2011 7:27:38 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Dhimmi University


5 posted on 11/14/2011 7:28:12 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I want to take my cats swimming but they don’t have a cat only swim day. Can I whine and force them to change the rules just for me and my kitties? Whaaaaaa!!!!


6 posted on 11/14/2011 7:28:28 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I hope some man gets rich with a law suit...

This is nuts

If they dont want someone looking at them

STAY HOME !!!

or build your own private swimming pool !!!


7 posted on 11/14/2011 7:36:05 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; ...

Ah, the Shariah-compliant swim session! I wonder if the muslim woman would complain if somebody in a bikini joined in.

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


8 posted on 11/14/2011 7:37:04 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; ...
Those who live in Columbia Maryland have to pay a association fee based on the value of the property, even though it's not tax deductible. They also set the rules of house and paint colors and what you can put in your yard. And this is ontop of the local HOAs for condos and Townhouses.

The pools and gyms come for an extra fee, although it's discounted for those that live in Columbia zones. And there are areas inside Columbia that are not controlled by the association that dont have to pay.

The founder Rouse setup Columbia as groups of planned villages each with single family homes, town-homes, condos rental apartments and a town center stripmall. But the apartments in the older areas are taken over by Section 8 housing and it's not pretty.

9 posted on 11/14/2011 7:42:12 PM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I'm a regular fitness swimmer (swam 8.8 miles last week) and have been anticipating this for the past 15 years, the first time I encountered, at a public swimming pool, Muslims' vain preoccupation with the female form and their thinking on who could swim how and when.

Islam means submission, and those swimming pools that cater to this sixth century barbarism are SUBMITTING to Islam.

Muslims, leave this country if its conventions offend you. Adapt to this country, or leave. Cultures that insist this country adapt to them should be frozen out. Swim the way WE swim don't swim at all.

Convenient lap swim access is hard enough to get at swimming pools -- I speak from a few decades of experience. Now these clowns want to jam up that many more blocks of time, for pure vanity.

Swim the way WE swim, Muslims, or don't swim at all. Or build and operate your own damned pools.

10 posted on 11/14/2011 7:43:26 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: sickoflibs

Wow ... sound like a nightmarish place to live. Yikes.


11 posted on 11/14/2011 7:49:27 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Everyone knows if a conservative Christian group went to ask for special treatment because modesty forbids them doing something - the Gov’t would have laughed and told them to get stuffed.


12 posted on 11/14/2011 7:51:47 PM PST by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Give them 2 hours.

3-5 am.


13 posted on 11/14/2011 7:52:40 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: bgill

14 posted on 11/14/2011 7:54:25 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: Finny

Post of the Day.


15 posted on 11/14/2011 7:59:05 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If you are inclined to think of Islam as a religion...any female participation in attending a public swimming pool would obviously be a forbidden act or “harem” as they would say, no matter how they were covered or sequestered.

So what would be the point of demanding special hours?


16 posted on 11/14/2011 8:11:37 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Welkome to Kolumbia.

Where our biggest watchword is “Diversity”!


17 posted on 11/14/2011 8:40:00 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
When are they going to have MEN ONLY SWIM HOURS?????

Oh, wait, never mind.

18 posted on 11/14/2011 8:43:54 PM PST by BBell
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To: sickoflibs

“And there are areas inside Columbia that are not controlled by the association that dont have to pay.”

This is where I grew up. But they are NOT “Columbia”, per se - they were independent homes/developments before the behemoth/God of James Rouse came in and swallowed up the surrounding areas. I started life officially as Ellicott City but by 10yo I was Columbia postal code.

“The founder Rouse setup Columbia as groups of planned villages each with single family homes, town-homes, condos rental apartments and a town center stripmall. But the apartments in the older areas are taken over by Section 8 housing and it’s not pretty.”

(Actually it’s an honest-to-God mall, not a mere strip mall.)

James Rouse is treated as an absolute God - these people are WEIRD. I officially in every single way lived in Columbia for 3 years, and the local paper is always hailing Rouse, everything is being named for him, and people are constantly asking, “What would James Rouse do/think?”


19 posted on 11/14/2011 8:50:39 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: BBell

They could do that. Seriously.

Our culture did it in the old days - and I’d say things were a sight better in behavior.

The main thing is to be even-handed. Women-only should be balanced with men-only.


20 posted on 11/14/2011 8:52:02 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: sickoflibs
I lived in MD from 1966 to 1979. I can remember when Columbia first opened to the public. My wife and I checked it out early on.
Now as you say, section 8 stepped into the picture and changed what years back was a nice place to shop etc..
As for as the will to submit to Islam, indicative of this article. Shame on America. Why don't the super rich Arabs, Iranian, other Muslim controlled peoples, who have taken up residence in the country build private swimming pools for their kind. The bull shit just keeps piling up.
21 posted on 11/14/2011 9:02:02 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m a woman. I wonder how the muz women are going to feel if I show up in a string bikini at female-only swim times. Maybe I should try it and we’ll find out. (When it’s warmer, thanks.)


22 posted on 11/14/2011 9:02:23 PM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: ottbmare
I’m a woman. I wonder how the muz women are going to feel if I show up in a string bikini at female-only swim times. Maybe I should try it and we’ll find out. (When it’s warmer, thanks.)

I wonder what these so politically corrects will do when a cross dresser or transvestite shows up? Won't they be in a quandary! Will Muslim trump all?

23 posted on 11/14/2011 9:36:13 PM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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To: sickoflibs; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Those who live in Columbia Maryland have to pay a association fee based on the value of the property, even though it's not tax deductible. They also set the rules of house and paint colors and what you can put in your yard. And this is ontop of the local HOAs for condos and Townhouses.

And the one thing that absolutely fascinated me about these little planned communities is that there were no churches. None. Yes, I know that there have been some churches that have gone up in formerly agricultural areas.

But part of the "plan" was to have "interfaith" centers. My guess is that they were rented out by whatever congregations wanted to hold services (though I don't know for sure). Anyway, I could picture a scenario where the King's Contrivance Interfaith Center could be rented by the Catholics at 10 o'clock and the Wiccan coven at 11.

Shudder.

Columbia has no soul.

It shows me what the dhims would love to do everywhere if they had half a chance.

24 posted on 11/15/2011 1:20:15 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Where’s the comment from the ACLU?


25 posted on 11/15/2011 3:52:26 AM PST by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I demand better swim toys, too!


26 posted on 11/15/2011 6:08:30 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: PGR88; flaglady47; seenenuf; mickie
"Everyone knows if a conservative Christian group went to ask for special treament because modesty forbids them doing something - the Gov't would have laughed and told them to get stuffed."

In a slight variation (substitute "the Bible" for "modesty"), this has just happened in Illinois.

Catholic Charities in Illinois has had to abandon its foster care placement because the gubmint now mandates it must place children in the homes of homsexual unions. Rather than go against its collective conscience and religious teaching, the CC is dissolving this service and laying off all involved employees.

This government mandate fulfills two purposes.....it will cause the number of children raised in religious homes to decline sharply (the government doesn't want a religious America)......plus satisfy the homosexual recruitment agenda for the sake of gay community votes.

Too many unfortunate Illinois children are now at risk by being placed in radical homosexual environments. This is sickening and frightening.

Those politicians and bureaucrats who contrived and supported this law are not only corrupt, but diseased moral lepers as well.

Leni

27 posted on 11/15/2011 6:37:03 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: ottbmare
I’m a woman. I wonder how the muz women are going to feel if I show up in a string bikini at female-only swim times. Maybe I should try it and we’ll find out. (When it’s warmer, thanks.)

I wonder how the Muslim women will react when a bunch of transvestites show up and demand to be admitted according to their gender identity. The lawsuit would be fascinating.

28 posted on 11/15/2011 6:42:55 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: BBell

Then, again ...

29 posted on 11/15/2011 6:51:53 AM PST by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: markomalley

“And the one thing that absolutely fascinated me about these little planned communities is that there were no churches. None. Yes, I know that there have been some churches that have gone up in formerly agricultural areas.”

“Agricultural area” doesn’t count within the confines of the Columbia stronghold. Only the very late “River Hill” (taking over the legit town of Clarksville) could possibly fall under that. There are now more churches in Columbia which often are just houses taken over, right in the middle of developments.

‘But part of the “plan” was to have “interfaith” centers. My guess is that they were rented out by whatever congregations wanted to hold services (though I don’t know for sure). Anyway, I could picture a scenario where the King’s Contrivance Interfaith Center could be rented by the Catholics at 10 o’clock and the Wiccan coven at 11.’

This is how my church started - renting in the Oakland Mills interfaith center (for some reason, this 1 is specifically called “The Meeting House” - oh, that Columbia! Can’t even be consistent with their own concepts! LOL). They’re now renting in a business park. The funny thing is 1 of the elders in the church told us some history (I wish I could remember it better) - he said essentially the Methodist (big surprise - about the most liberal Christian types you can get) was becoming very powerful at the IC/MH and basically our church could not get what they wanted and the rents kept going up partly because of demand for the Methodists. So they left.

My best friend got married at that very “Meeting House”. (Yikes)

(BTW, there is no IC at King’s Contrivance. ;-) )


30 posted on 11/15/2011 8:03:30 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: BlueLancer

Mark that in favor of men-only times.


31 posted on 11/15/2011 8:04:05 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: ottbmare

What’s funny here is YOUR comment seems to better address her issue.

The 1st sentence of this article indicates the Moslem woman will be embarrassed by people pointing her out and possibly harrassing her and making fun.

What has that to do with men vs. women? Seems to me she’d be asking for MOSLEM-only time slots. We women can still make fun of her for her dress.


32 posted on 11/15/2011 8:06:01 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican

Homeowner’s associations sound unconstitutional to me.


33 posted on 11/15/2011 12:46:49 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: sickoflibs
the apartments in the older areas are taken over by Section 8 housing and it's not pretty.

I live in one of those older complexes. While what you say was true 5 - 6 years ago, it has been greatly cleaned up since. The problems were created by, first, not doing proper background on prospective tenants, and then not requiring them to abide by civilized rules.

Most of the problems were solved simply by enforcing the rules, and evicting people who refused to follow them. The Section 8 people who remain are those who simply and genuinely needed a helping hand to get them out of the cesspool of the inner city. I have little problem with them, and there is hope for their children.

34 posted on 11/17/2011 2:55:49 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr
RE "The problems were created by, first, not doing proper background on prospective tenants, and then not requiring them to abide by civilized rules. Most of the problems were solved simply by enforcing the rules, and evicting people who refused to follow them. The Section 8 people who remain are those who simply and genuinely needed a helping hand to get them out of the cesspool of the inner city. I have little problem with them, and there is hope for their children. "

And lots of local police attention.

If continued full time employment at a job for any adults living in a Section 8 household/apartment was a condition, that would help the surrounding neighbors alot. That just leaves their kids to worry about. I know, their kids have to show up for school too and get good grades. After all, it's our money.

35 posted on 11/17/2011 5:22:09 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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