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Pat Buchanan: Return of the War Party?
www.creators.com ^ | November 15, 2011 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 11/14/2011 9:42:21 PM PST by Luther1917

Is a vote for the Republican Party in 2012 a vote for war?

Is a vote for Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich a vote for yet another unfunded war of choice, this time with a nation, Iran, three times as large and populous as Iraq?

Mitt says that if elected he will move carriers into the Persian Gulf and "prepare for war." Newt is even more hawkish. America should continue "taking out" Iran's nuclear scientists — i.e., assassinating them — but military action will probably be needed.

Newt is talking up uber-hawk John Bolton for secretary of state..

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1 posted on 11/14/2011 9:42:23 PM PST by Luther1917
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To: Luther1917

Of course it is. That’s what the base wants. That foreign policy debate clarified things for me. I had been trying to convince myself to vote for Newt, but after that debate, I decided I cannot vote for another hubristic, arrogant neocon. No thanks.


2 posted on 11/14/2011 9:46:35 PM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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3 posted on 11/14/2011 9:48:51 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Luther1917

Buchanan is just sucking up to MSNBC, and his book, “How the Right Went Wrong” failed to sell.


4 posted on 11/14/2011 9:52:07 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: Luther1917

War party? Is that the party of Wilson, FDR, JFK, and LBJ?


5 posted on 11/14/2011 9:52:26 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Luther1917

I said some time ago that John Bolton would make a good SOS. The president would have to go to Congress (unlike our current president)if he found it imperative to go to war.

As far as Iran goes, I think Mr. Cain would try everything possible to avoid war, but if we must we must. Better make the first strike rather than the second strike with nukes.
When he received that question first off on Saturday’s debate he said he would aid the dissidents against Iran’s current regime. That was a very good answer.

I liked Pat Buchanan when he ran years ago.


6 posted on 11/14/2011 9:54:35 PM PST by Paperdoll (II like Herman Cain)
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To: Huck

What’s the alternative look like? A nuclear Iran may kill millions of people. Think what might of happened if we intervened before hitler built his military machine. I certainly don’t want to go in and fight another war with our hands tied behind our back. But I could support an air campaign or support Israel if they will do the deed.


7 posted on 11/14/2011 9:56:21 PM PST by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: Huck

So who does that leave?


8 posted on 11/14/2011 9:57:13 PM PST by mean ogre
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To: Luther1917

Buchanan preparing to endorse Obama?


9 posted on 11/14/2011 9:57:50 PM PST by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: Luther1917

Could be worse, Pat. We could have a CIC like Ron Paul who says the answer to the Iranian nuclear problem is to “try to be friends with them”. Now that’s some real statesmanship.


10 posted on 11/14/2011 9:57:50 PM PST by mean ogre
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To: Politics4US

Actually, if the Iranians incinerated Tel Aviv, Pat wouldn’t necessarily see that as a bad thing...


11 posted on 11/14/2011 9:58:26 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Luther1917
How's this Pat, first we bring home all the troops from all around the world and then issue our own fatwa.

We have weapons of mass destruction! Screw with us or any of our allies and you will find how just how destructive they are!!end of statement!

12 posted on 11/14/2011 10:00:17 PM PST by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: okie01

His friends at MSLSD would cheer with him.


13 posted on 11/14/2011 10:05:37 PM PST by gusty
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To: mean ogre

Ron Paul?


14 posted on 11/14/2011 10:15:19 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: Huck
The base is as war weary as anyone.

Obama hasn't taken war off the table with Iran either. Romney and Newt see war with Iran as the last option of many options and only after those have failed.

15 posted on 11/14/2011 10:17:15 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: Luther1917

Which war has Obama ended?

He added: Yemen, Pakistan and Libya.

-Daily Predator strikes.

-GITMO, it’s still there.

-Renditions too.

-Leon Panetta says water boarding works.


16 posted on 11/14/2011 11:12:18 PM PST by NoLibZone (Sexual Harassment:men touching themselves while wearing only jock straps,gyrating on a parade float)
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To: iowamark

Looks like Pat likes Obama.


17 posted on 11/14/2011 11:13:00 PM PST by NoLibZone (Sexual Harassment:men touching themselves while wearing only jock straps,gyrating on a parade float)
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To: okie01

Bingo.

Pat’s a Storm Fronter that would love to see Paul win


18 posted on 11/14/2011 11:15:15 PM PST by NoLibZone (Sexual Harassment:men touching themselves while wearing only jock straps,gyrating on a parade float)
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To: Politics4US

Boy, that’s a brilliant comment.

Buchanan is smarter and more conservative than anyone in your political field of view.

How many book you got published?


19 posted on 11/14/2011 11:38:33 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: NoLibZone

“”But if Iran represents, as Bibi Netanyahu is forever reminding us, an “existential threat,” why does not Israel itself, with hundreds of nuclear weapons, deal with it?””

“”Bibi’s inaction speaks louder than Bibi’s words””.


20 posted on 11/14/2011 11:43:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JoSixChip
But I could support an air campaign or support Israel if they will do the deed.

If we go to war we cannot have another war where the military goes to war, the nation has to go to war.



The generation running America today is too self centered to wage war as it was waged in WW2. It will not be George Patton and Curtis LeMay running the war, so we want to be very careful about going in. We need to be Machiavellian, it would not be in our interest to wage a war, but it would serve our interest rather nicely were Iran to be involved in a war. Saddam Hussein was not a choir boy when Reagan was president, but Reagan was able to see past all of that and see a useful SOB. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, the enemy of my enemy is probably an A-hole too.

Yemen for one is a place that has potential to serve as Iran's Vietnam. It has a roughly 50/50 split between Shia and Sunni, a number of clan factions. I could see that ending up as a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran that would soak up the resources of both nations. Do gooder Pollyannas cause half our problems, I'd take an America First Machiavelli over the bleeding hearts. We should leverage rather than be leveraged.
21 posted on 11/14/2011 11:48:17 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (Pat Buchanan, kryptonite to RINO's)
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To: fallujah-nuker
We have the firepower as does Israel, to bounce Iran off the lunar surface and back, several times.

And some suggest the U.S. start bombing campaigns and send hundreds of thousands of Americans into Iran to fight a war before being attacked, when Iran clearly is no threat to the U.S. now or in the distant future?

I have to wonder, what would the coalition look like this time?

22 posted on 11/15/2011 12:05:10 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
And some suggest the U.S. start bombing campaigns and send hundreds of thousands of Americans into Iran to fight a war before being attacked, when Iran clearly is no threat to the U.S. now or in the distant future?

Two false premises in one sentence.

23 posted on 11/15/2011 12:35:29 AM PST by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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To: Proud2BeRight

What about Truman and Korea?


24 posted on 11/15/2011 3:21:39 AM PST by Makana
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To: Luther1917

Gee.........

Once they nuke us—will we be allowed to shoot back??

Does that mean “War Party?”


25 posted on 11/15/2011 3:56:53 AM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voters. Let the dead rest in peace.)
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To: Luther1917

To understand this concept, one has to read Orwell’s 1984. In that book, they were always at war and winning too! Only problem was that the war never ended.


26 posted on 11/15/2011 4:10:48 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: mean ogre
So who does that leave?

For me? No one of consequence.

27 posted on 11/15/2011 4:51:05 AM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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To: iowamark

Obama is a globalist warmonger.

“War is a Racket”

~ Gen Smedley Butler, US Marines
2 time winner of the MOH


28 posted on 11/15/2011 4:53:31 AM PST by Luther1917
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To: JoSixChip
A nuclear Iran may kill millions of people.

Right. And Iraq had stockpiles of WMD.

29 posted on 11/15/2011 4:55:06 AM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

John Bolton is a great choice for Sec. of State. What if he had selected Sarah Palin?


30 posted on 11/15/2011 6:24:08 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: dragnet2

I don’t work for MSNBC, and my point is that his book “How the Right Went Wrong” is about foreign policy, and it failed.


31 posted on 11/15/2011 1:58:50 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: denydenydeny
We have the firepower as does Israel, to bounce Iran off the lunar surface and back, several times.

And some suggest the U.S. start bombing campaigns and send hundreds of thousands of Americans into Iran to fight a war before being attacked, when Iran clearly is no threat to the U.S. now or in the distant future?

I have to wonder, what would the coalition look like this time?

Two false premises in one sentence.

You just going to burp up comments and leave or state your position for war?

32 posted on 11/15/2011 2:17:42 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“We have the firepower as does Israel, to bounce Iran off the lunar surface and back, several times. “


Right and since Iran is no threat to us let us stay out. We are broke being the world policeman when countries should protect themselves. We have hundreds of thousands in Europe to protect against Russia. After Iraq it is Iran. After Iran it will be another and then another. We should tell the world, take care of your own problems. Screw Romney and Gingrich. We don’t need another war of choice for the military industrial complex, oil, or ‘friends’ who ignore us. Enough is enough.


33 posted on 11/15/2011 2:35:48 PM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Politics4US
my point is that his book “How the Right Went Wrong” is about foreign policy, and it failed.

So what? Who cares if he doesn't get best seller on every book published? Is this your way of attempting to discredit Buchanan?

Come on.

Speaking of foreign policy, our foreign policy since Vietnam has been an absolute destructive disgrace, not to mention it's all but destroyed our economy, and forced the tax payers to their knees, all while U.S. taxpayers are being forced to prop up and pay off many countries to the tune of multiple trillions.

Look at our foreign policy with our closest neighbor in Mexico? That foreign policy has completely undermined and compromised our entire country.

Decades of this kind of out of control, destructive foreign policy have looted the American treasure as the tax payers repeatedly are economically gang raped to the point where America is broke and bankrupt.

We continue with these lunatic foreign policies, it will eventually leave America dead on the floor.

34 posted on 11/15/2011 2:43:29 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Book sales mean that the right didn’t agree with Buchanan on it. I don’t mean about Mexico or funding other countries, I mean Buchanan’s other foreign policy views.


35 posted on 11/15/2011 3:12:57 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: Politics4US
Agree with him?

Few if anyone has been more correct or predicted what the hell is happening, or what is going to happen to the U.S. than Buchanan. Where ya been?

You need to reboot and get yourself updated.

36 posted on 11/15/2011 3:21:05 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I don’t agree with him on a lot.


37 posted on 11/15/2011 3:25:04 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: Politics4US

LOL!

I have no doubt about that!


38 posted on 11/15/2011 3:25:44 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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