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A Conversation with Ray Bradbury ("if you watch local news, your head will turn to mush")
Fahrenheit 451, 50th Anniversary Edition ^ | 2003 (50th anniversary of Fahrenheit 451) | Ray Bradbury

Posted on 11/16/2011 7:23:31 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat

excerpts from the interview with Bradbury....

[Q]: What forms of censorship do your regard as the most dangerous today?

Bradbury: There are none in our country. We have too many groups for censorship to be possible. We have Catholics and Jews and Protestants, and Republicans and Democrats, and women's libbers, and lesbians and homosexuals and bisexuals, and young and old...We're all watching each other...The main problem is the idiot TV. If you watch local news, your head will turn to mush.

[Q]: There seems to have been a decline in standards of journalistic objectivity, to put it mildly.

Bradbury: It's not just substance; it's style. The whole problem of TV and movies today is summed up for me by the film "Moulin Rouge".

(Excerpt) Read more at books.google.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bias; books; chat; duplicate; thinking

Ray Bradbury grew up in a Baptist home while living in Illinois, Arizona and California.

He is best known for his book "Fahrenheit 451", a book about government censorship of books and thinking. The government uses TELEVISION as a distraction to real thinking, and anyone found with a book has their home and goods burned to the ground.

Bradbury's hero in the novel is a book burner whose mind and heart is changed. He sees the television for what it is: a distraction to keep people from thinking.

I don't know Bradbury's politics, but he was damn right about TV's detrimental effects on the human brain.

I think Bradbury's thoughts on censorship might be a bit different 8 years later--it certainly seems as though some form of "censorship", though not explicit governmental censorship, is rampant in some quarters. "Censorship" as I see it is an act of government, not the market place.

1 posted on 11/16/2011 7:23:31 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

More of what Bradbury said about Moulin Rouge:

It came out a few years ago and won a lot of awards. It has 4,560 half-second clips in it. The camera never stops and holds still. So it clicks off your thinking: you can’t think when you have things bombarding you like that. The average tv commercial of sixty seconds has one hundred twenty half-second clips in it, or one-third of a second. We bombard people with sensation. That subsitutes for thinking.


2 posted on 11/16/2011 7:24:05 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Bradbury is a paleo lib but his comments here are good. And funny.


3 posted on 11/16/2011 7:26:23 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I think the film “Network” nailed it a long time ago. I gave up broadcast and cable tv a few years back and haven’t missed it a bit. In fact, I’ve lost all tolerance for it. If I am exposed to it for even a few minutes, it starts to make me sick.


4 posted on 11/16/2011 7:29:15 AM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I got rid of TV in the mid-1990’s. Whenever I’m exposed to LOCAL news anywhere in the US, without exception I notice the same thing. They speak and act, literally, like their primary audience is in the 7th grade.


5 posted on 11/16/2011 7:32:00 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Read all his major works in high school. I’m not a big si fi fan but loved his stuff.


6 posted on 11/16/2011 7:33:48 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Recovering_Democrat

that is why I stopped watching the news.


7 posted on 11/16/2011 7:34:58 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I’m Montag.


8 posted on 11/16/2011 7:35:14 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Recovering_Democrat
More of what Bradbury said about Moulin Rouge: It came out a few years ago and won a lot of awards. It has 4,560 half-second clips in it. The camera never stops and holds still.

I totally agree . . . Moulin Rouge was probably the worst film I ever saw . . . the jerky camera crap was extremely annoying . . . it never let up . . . 1-1/2 hours or so of constant flickering screen . . . garbage.

And yet, they had a very beautiful female lead that the camera could have spent time on, but they chose to go goofy with the camera jerks.

9 posted on 11/16/2011 7:37:33 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Recovering_Democrat

My favorite Bradbury book was “The Martian Chronicles.”


10 posted on 11/16/2011 7:37:40 AM PST by NRA1995 (Obama's presidency is shovel-ready; let's bury it in 2012!)
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To: montag813

Obligatory Ping.


11 posted on 11/16/2011 7:38:01 AM PST by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: Paladin2

I hated the new Moulin Rouge. The original one was much better.


12 posted on 11/16/2011 7:38:32 AM PST by MichaelNewton
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Where’s the entire interview?


13 posted on 11/16/2011 7:39:40 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: skeeter

My favorite story of his is so non-sci-fi: Dandelion Wine. Every time I read it, it evokes a deep sense of nostalgia and yearning for good days of life.


14 posted on 11/16/2011 7:40:40 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: Recovering_Democrat
he was damn right about TV's detrimental effects on the human brain. I finished reading this book yesterday and agree with you. What I found so interesting is that it was first copy written in 1953. He had such a clear vision of the future - TV's control and degradation of morals. I kept thinking as I read, "Is this guy a conservative?"
15 posted on 11/16/2011 7:42:15 AM PST by neefer (Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I can’t remember who said the following quote.

“Those who don’t read the news are uninformed. Those who do are misinformed.”


16 posted on 11/16/2011 7:45:57 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Thorliveshere
Yes. He was best at short stories though, IMHO.

And he's lived long enough to see some of his favorites themes being born out in a general sense, for better or worse.

Mostly worse.

17 posted on 11/16/2011 7:47:34 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Recovering_Democrat
"If you watch local news, your head will turn to mush."

And, if you watch national and international news, your head will explode!


18 posted on 11/16/2011 7:49:42 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Huck
I really liked TV, turn it on and I'd sit in front of it and flip through the channels and zone. For the past five years I've been more or less TV free. I watch movies on DVD or Netflix, get my news only online (thanks Freepers). But now, I can't even get interested in movies; the best thing I've watched recently was a 30 minute show about two beavers building dam.

I'm now onto audio books, downloaded from the library, I can listen and do other things at the same time. I'm not trying to be snobbish about it, I just can't tolerate what is being served up. The news has me ranting for hours and the shows, well, they just plain s**k.

19 posted on 11/16/2011 7:51:34 AM PST by NativeSon
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To: Recovering_Democrat

bkmk


20 posted on 11/16/2011 7:53:14 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Thorliveshere

Later in the interview, he says he is working on a rare sequel, one for Dandelion Wine.


21 posted on 11/16/2011 7:56:19 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Yossarian; montag813

Montag, I’ve been meaning to ask: why the 813? Your area code, or something else? :)


22 posted on 11/16/2011 7:58:07 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Huck

Ditto. The whole swath of ad-funded media is repulsive (most of it lowest-common-denominator material); I’d rather pay for ad-free than “save” the money at the cost of my mind.


23 posted on 11/16/2011 7:59:46 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Brains to Tapioca, one of my all-time favorate Dilbert strips
24 posted on 11/16/2011 8:00:02 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: NativeSon
I like classic movies, B movies, lost noir films, etc, so Netflix is more than enough for me. I don't like modern movies. CGI is annoying.

Last night I relaxed with an old 50s noir, "Bullet for Joey" with my man Edward G. Robinson. It was a simple detective story, but relaxing and fun. It's an added bonus to see the old cars and styles and whatnot from the era.

And hey, my wife and I love big cute rodents--beavers, marmots, etc. Those movies are very relaxing too. I watched a documentary the other night on "Unusual Buildings", an ode to classic roadside America. Light, relaxing. No commercials. No annoying modern sensibilities.

25 posted on 11/16/2011 8:04:45 AM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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To: Lorianne

LOL! I love it!


26 posted on 11/16/2011 8:07:13 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

That’s already been published...”Farewell, Summer”. It came out in 2006.


27 posted on 11/16/2011 8:19:14 AM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Huck
50's sci-fi; "Forbidden Planet", old Flash Gordon, etc. - that I still watch. I checked out a silent film about a day in Berlin, very good.

"Unusual Buildings", saw it, I liked it. Being near Lincoln Highway in PA, I've seen many of those. There are still a couple in Philly but a number of them when you head out to Lancaster.

Modern Sensibilities - perhaps that's it. I like educational programs/films, I like entertainment but at some point, it must have become the goal of film makers and producers to to have the audience take on their sensibilities, their belief patterns. Education, entertainment reduced to packaging.

There was a movie I saw in the theater a while back, I think is was Julia Roberts a similarly terrible actress, she was abused by her husband. She spent months on these tricky martial arts training and crazy plotting. I turned to my date and said to her; "guns!, problem solved, The End" and got up to leave...

28 posted on 11/16/2011 8:23:54 AM PST by NativeSon
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To: Lorianne

I like Kojack. Me-TV runs it.


29 posted on 11/16/2011 8:41:15 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: NativeSon
I think it's part generational, part technological. It's generational in that movies today are geared towards a generation of video game players. That's what all the CGI movies look like--video games without the joystick.

And it's technological. Whenever a new technology comes along, it gets overused, because it's the latest thing. Right now the novelty of digital film apparantly hasn't warn off, so we see all the new cliches, the unrealistic car wrecks, the 360 views of a bullet in midair, etc.

All tedious. No actors with charisma or originality. No stories worth watching. No directors of any talent. Just crap.

30 posted on 11/16/2011 8:43:00 AM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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To: wally_bert

I love Kojak. I have a thing for 70s detective shows. Mostly Kojak and Columbo, but I won’t turn down a little McMillan and Wife, or maybe some Barnaby Jones. Hell, I’d watch Cannon if I ever ran across it.


31 posted on 11/16/2011 8:44:30 AM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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To: wally_bert

Oh man, that’s weird. I just looked up me-tv because I’ve never heard of it, and what’s the first listing I see? CANNON!


32 posted on 11/16/2011 8:45:43 AM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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To: Huck
but I won’t turn down a little McMillan and Wife,

Shouldn't it have been called "McMillan and Beard." ;)

33 posted on 11/16/2011 8:45:43 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: wally_bert

Oh dang. I thought it was a streaming site.


34 posted on 11/16/2011 8:47:04 AM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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To: dfwgator

He was pretty convincing as a hetero, as I recall.


35 posted on 11/16/2011 8:47:53 AM PST by Huck (I predict record low turnout for the GOP primaries.)
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To: Huck

I remember my mom telling me that she heard, off camera, Rock was very effeminate, nothing like his on-screen persona. And this was even before people knew he had AIDS


36 posted on 11/16/2011 8:49:51 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

TV is great, but it depends on what you watch. I dont watch the news anymore. But history channel, science channel, etc, there are some excellent programs.


37 posted on 11/16/2011 8:57:14 AM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

bookmark


38 posted on 11/16/2011 9:10:10 AM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; montag813

“Why the 813?”

Can I guess? Can I guess? 813.54 22 is the LC classification of Fahrenheit 451. Thus, Montag813. (If I win, I get a cookie)


39 posted on 11/16/2011 9:39:41 AM PST by momtothree
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To: momtothree

LC?


40 posted on 11/16/2011 9:54:53 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I think LC stands for Library of Congress... it has something to do with the classification of the novel.


41 posted on 11/16/2011 9:58:22 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Thorliveshere

I used to have a little personal tradition...starting on the first day of summer (or whenever kids got out of school, whichever came first) I would sit down and read a chapter of Dandelion Wine every day.

Goes nicely with the “Main Street USA” book of old Waukegan pictures. (There’s even a picture of the infamous bridge through the ravine!)


42 posted on 11/16/2011 10:11:04 AM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: momtothree; Recovering_Democrat; Yossarian
Can I guess? Can I guess? 813.54 22 is the LC classification of Fahrenheit 451. Thus, Montag813. (If I win, I get a cookie)

You win the cookie! A CASE of cookies. Check my profile. LC classification, and the address of Guy Montag: Block 813.

43 posted on 11/16/2011 10:15:19 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

I feel uber smart!! LOL!!


44 posted on 11/16/2011 10:18:01 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Huck

Kojack is at 4 EST and Cannon hits at 11 AM in between Perry Mason and Hawaii 5-0.

Ever watch Ellery Queen? I have the DVDs and love that series too.


45 posted on 11/16/2011 11:01:42 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: NRA1995

The mini-series needed help apart from the score.


46 posted on 11/16/2011 11:02:19 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Huck

Me-TV is on a range of channels I typically skip but found Kojack I think and now it is a favorite. Good promos.

http://metvnetwork.com/videos.php


47 posted on 11/16/2011 11:04:37 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
A link from 2000, with a quote from Kathleen Hall Jamieson.....

The 'Gender Gap' explained: Robbing Peter & Paul to pay Mary!

 "Local news watching makes you dumber," Jamieson said.

48 posted on 11/16/2011 11:08:31 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: wally_bert

Agreed: the book was definitely better.


49 posted on 11/16/2011 12:56:51 PM PST by NRA1995 (Obama's presidency is shovel-ready; let's bury it in 2012!)
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