Skip to comments.H.R. 822 National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011 (house vote today)
Posted on 11/16/2011 7:42:58 AM PST by umgud
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011, the House is scheduled consider H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011, under a rule. The rule provides for one hour of debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary. Additionally, the rule makes in order ten amendments, each debatable for ten minutes each, and provides for one motion to recommit with or without instructions. The bill was introduced by Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-FL) on February 18, 2011, and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
The bill would allow individuals with valid state-issued concealed firearm permits or licenses to carry a concealed firearm in any other state that also issues concealed firearm permits or licenses, or in any other state that does not generally prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms. H.R. 822 would require the Comptroller General of the U.S. to conduct an audit of the laws and regulations of each state that authorizes the issuance of a valid permit or license to permit a nonresident to possess or carry a concealed firearm. The audit would include a description of the permitting or licensing requirements of each state that issues concealed carry permits or licenses to persons other than the residents of that state. The audit would also include the number of valid permits and licenses issued or denied (and the basis for the denial) by each state, and the effectiveness of state laws and regulations in protecting public safety.
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If passed, this would be a real game changer for CA and other may-issue states. Here in CA, our CCW permits are state permits issued by the various counties and cities. Most jurisdictions in the state just don't issue permits. This would mean that out of state ccw permit holders could legally carry concealed in San Francisco, but locals could not.
I anxiously await the turmoil.
If it passes we will see some real parsing and doublespeak in places like New York to avoid complying.
Or, just like open carry or "wiretapping," the cops and prosecutors will ignore the law and trump up charges just for an excuse to rough you up and put you in handcuffs for a while.
I hate morons.
I opposed this on 10th Amendment grounds. Don’t want the feds interfering in state issues at all......this will require them to have access to all the gun purchase/registration/CCW applications in all the states. None of their business.
I don't disagree with you. A better move would be a law that would allow or force SCOTUS to clean up 2A issues. The 2A is a national right and needs to be better defined and defended.
No, it won’t. Read the law.
Bill, I mean. Hopefully law soon.
The DOJ does b/g checks in CA for purchases - for each purchase long gun and handgun. Don’t know if feds have access to registration and permit apps - which are almost impossible to get in populous counties. They keep trying to get registration required for long guns. CA is lost.
Haven’t read the bill, just the article here, but It’s not a stretch to understand that once the feds “audit” the requirements for and number of CCW permits, they will demand to see the registration records for said weapons.
This would probably do more good that this complex bill.
Not really - the bill has a big out for state governments in that it sets the reciprocal carry between states with like carry license requirements.
I don’t like it at all. What they ‘give’ they can take away.
Also not every state requires you to list individual guns on your permit. Some states require no permit at all.
I like it! Using your argument, Congress should be the watchdog for states that try to “infringe” on the people’s right to keep and bear....instead of always trying to disarm the citizenry.
Or at least, it should be.
It isn't. Because we live in a world of facts, not make-believe where we wish the government followed the Constitution, this bill is necessary.
If you are willing to fight the battle from a Constitutional angle, take your firearm to NY or Maryland and let a cop know you're carrying.
For the rest of us, let's pass this bill.
While it makes for good Conservative “sound bites”, this bill is a complete waste of time in the House. It will pass with a large (30 - 40 Dem) bi-partisan vote, no doubt. Unfortunately, Reid (pro gun that he and the NRA says he is) will never let come up in the Senate. Obama cannot let this bill hit the floor and he will instruct Reid to follow his orders. Both know that if it did appear on the Senate floor it would pass and Obama cannot let that happen.
Probably DOA in the Senate and the juggeared marxist would veto it any way.
I agree with your entire position. But I also believe that in practice, we don’t have 2A rights. We have privileges that are doled out at the gov’t whim. Infringement seems to be the rule of the land. Even after Heller, go try to buy a gun in DC.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.
I’m an NRA member so I’ve read their position on this, but I re-read again just now. This phrase is what I think is a potential problem:
“only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out” the GCA’s provisions”....
It’s the camel’s nose under a tent and I don’t want the feds to further butt into anything. I don’t trust them an inch - there are not enough 2nd Amendment supporters. The recent SCOTUS decisions in our favor were 5/4 and that should scare everybody. Shoulda been 9/0. They overreach in every aspect of our lives right now. Beware the Trojan horse...they are not doing our side any favors.
Our problem is that we need our gov’t to guarantee and protect our 2A rights, but it is them who have trampled on our rights.
Concur. I'd have preferred to see states whose CCW licenses are ignored in other states deny recognition of the drivers' licenses and vehicle registrations of those nonreciprocating states in response, as is now being considered in a couple of the westgern states.
And don't kid yourself. The feds have copies of the CCW/CCH license holders in everry state that issues them. Every one.
It will die in the Senate if it isn’t voted down by a majority of BOTH parties.
Neither the Republicans or the Democrats want you to have the right to defend yourself s that makes you not dependent on government.
If you are not dependent on government you do not need politicians ,you don’t need politicians they lose power & that is what really motivates a politician not love of service to their fellow man.
Attempted poison pill for the bill the woman is a totalitarian & autocratic oligarch. She is also a supporter of the Occupy movement ,so that means that if she had her way there would reeducation camps & mass graves for those who did not agree with her.
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