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ATF Classifies Pot Scrubbers as Silencers, Makes Possession Illegal
Truth About Guns ^ | 15 NOV 11 | Nick Leghorn

Posted on 11/16/2011 1:13:04 PM PST by DCBryan1

David Codrea published an article today about an interesting letter one law abiding silencer owner received from the ATF. The silencer owner in question owns an AWC .22lr silencer that uses a material made of tangled copper ropes to slow down the expanding gasses, a material not unlike the common Brillo pad or Chore Boy Pot Scrubber. He wanted to know whether it would be legal to replace the worn out material in his legally owned silencer with some pot scrubber material, an act which seems pretty innocuous to the impartial observer. The ATF, on the other hand…

From the ATF’s reply:

“[S]ound/gas absorbing materials manufactured from Chore Boy copper cleaning pads, along with fiberglass insulation, constitute a silencer.

Therefore, it is illegal for an individual to replace deteriorated material within an already- registered suppressor without an approved ATF Form 1, ‘Application to Make and Register a Firearm,’” along with a “$200.00 making tax” and “a ‘no-marking’ variance…since there is no viable area in which to apply a serial number to the sound-absorbing material.”

So if someone wanted to replace the padding in their silencer they’d need to submit two new sets of fingerprint cards, two new photographs, a signature from their local chief law enforcement officer, $200 and a set of newly filled out Form 1 applications and then wait 4 months for a reply. All for an item they already own legally, and at the end of the day they will still have only one NFA item.

But that’s not all. The original letter included a question about the owner of a legally owned silencer having a reserve of such pads. In case, you know, they needed to clean something. According to the ATF that would be considered a “stockpile” and considered an illegal act.

David has the full letter on his site which can be seen here.


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I lost all of my brillo pads in boating accident.

Seriesly, we need to defund and abolish the ATF and make sure that former employees are prohibited from federal employment elsewhere, and not allowed to join a state, county, municipal, township, tribal, or territorial police force EVER AGAIN!.

1 posted on 11/16/2011 1:13:05 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1

BATF - The REAL gun NUTS!


2 posted on 11/16/2011 1:15:38 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: DCBryan1

When Brillo pads are outlawed, only outlaws will have Brillo pads.

ATF bureaucrats have taken complete leave of their senses.


3 posted on 11/16/2011 1:16:25 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: DCBryan1

Agreed. The ATF has gotten TOO FAR out of hand to be reformed. We have DHS and FBI we don’t need another FEDERAL POLICE force....


4 posted on 11/16/2011 1:18:14 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: dfwgator; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; marktwain

STUDENT 1: We've already been through apricots, apples, grapes, shoestrings, and pot scrubbers!

STUDENT 2: What if ATF comes at you with a pointed stick?!

5 posted on 11/16/2011 1:18:30 PM PST by DCBryan1 ("Forget the Lawyers! FIRST YOU MUST kill the journalists!" - Die Ritter, die sagen, "nee"!)
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To: DCBryan1

I thought you were referring to a marijhuana scrubber...


6 posted on 11/16/2011 1:18:38 PM PST by CT Hillbilly (Thoughts=Words=Actions=Destiny)
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To: DCBryan1

The feds must show the movie `Brazil’ to new hires and tell them, “This is what it’s all about. Live it.”.


7 posted on 11/16/2011 1:19:01 PM PST by tumblindice (The First Lady cap snaffler: It Really Really Works)
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To: DCBryan1

That was stupid. Why ask, just do it...what a sheep! How could they possibly prove the material in the suppressor wasn’t the original? Why would they even bother to look...unless the owner said something.

OTOH I completely agree w/ the first comment. Disband the ATF and investigate all personel for violations. Those that fail get max jail sentence in general population.


8 posted on 11/16/2011 1:19:59 PM PST by 556x45
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To: DCBryan1

He must use that little silencer a lot.


9 posted on 11/16/2011 1:21:24 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: jakerobins

We dont need the dhs or fbi either. Neither can obey the law...disband’em we’ll all be better off.


10 posted on 11/16/2011 1:21:28 PM PST by 556x45
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To: DCBryan1
Will Brillo Pads and Steel Wool Pads now require a license to buy and be available only in the Sporting Goods Department or Licensed Gun Dealerships?

My wife is going to be mad that she can't get her Kitchen Cleaning supplies anywhere but there.

11 posted on 11/16/2011 1:22:25 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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12 posted on 11/16/2011 1:22:57 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker dowTn)
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To: DCBryan1

If you have some rubber stoppers and empty plastic water bottles laying about you are in violation for having silencer manufacturing parts.


13 posted on 11/16/2011 1:23:04 PM PST by SkyDancer ('If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate ")
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To: DCBryan1

So...this means 80% of US homes and ALL taco shops have illegal *stockpiles* of NFA weapons.

Right?


14 posted on 11/16/2011 1:23:29 PM PST by gaijin
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To: DCBryan1

That is odd.. because the “Can” of the suppressor is the serialized part, not the baffles. If you get a baffle strike you ARE allowed to replace the baffles without paying the 200 fee and doing more paperwork.

Perhaps they mean constructing a device using Brillo pads being illegal?


15 posted on 11/16/2011 1:24:34 PM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: DCBryan1

BATF...BATF....Hmmm....now where have I heard of them...

Oh! That’s it. NOW I remember!!!

That’s that Federal Agency that BROKE FEDERAL LAW by allowing thousands of guns to be purchased by criminals, from law-abiding dealers, and then BROKE ANOTHER FEDERAL LAW by letting them go across the border into a soveriegn country, and then BROKE ANOTHER FEDERAL LAW, as well as MEXICAN LAWS, by letting them be used in crimes such as murder, and resulted in BREAKING ANOTHER FEDERAL LAW when some of those guns were used to MURDER US LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL...

That’s the same BATF who’s now lecturing someone on legality???

OKay...just so we’re all straight on who we’re talking about here...


16 posted on 11/16/2011 1:25:04 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 556x45
That was stupid. Why ask, just do it...

That was my first thought. It makes for good publicity and any government authority is an easy target to make a fool out of.

Call it maintenance and do what you need to do.

17 posted on 11/16/2011 1:25:19 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals vote like clowns walking thru a minefield, oblivious to the consequences.)
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To: DCBryan1

I must resist...


18 posted on 11/16/2011 1:25:44 PM PST by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: SandRat
Will Brillo Pads and Steel Wool Pads now require a license to buy and be available only in the Sporting Goods Department or Licensed Gun Dealerships?

They will be next to the cough syrup and foods cooked in saturated fat.

19 posted on 11/16/2011 1:26:40 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals vote like clowns walking thru a minefield, oblivious to the consequences.)
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To: DCBryan1

Unless of course you were an illegal immigrant that was a drug dealer. In that case they will buy the silencers for you with Stimilus Funds.

Was that 100 or 1000 silencers you needed sir? Will that be with or without guns?


20 posted on 11/16/2011 1:26:44 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: DCBryan1

Are they NOW going to outlaw potatos [the "poor man's silencer"] ...

21 posted on 11/16/2011 1:27:20 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: SkyDancer
If you have some rubber stoppers and empty plastic water bottles laying about you are in violation for having silencer manufacturing parts.

Pillows too. We need to consfiscate pillows or arrest anyone caught with one.

22 posted on 11/16/2011 1:27:40 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals vote like clowns walking thru a minefield, oblivious to the consequences.)
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To: 556x45

Maybe...don’t think “sheep”....

Maybe think “part of the show”... or to put it another way, now they have an excuse to say what is and what isn’t legal regarding that issue.

Was that declaration ever part of the NFA34 firearms code, or GCA68 or any other law?

Or was it something that they just happened to need to clarify, and created a convenient excuse to do so??

After Fast & Furious, I put nothing past this regime. Nothing it too low for them to try.


23 posted on 11/16/2011 1:29:27 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: DCBryan1
“[S]ound/gas absorbing materials manufactured from Chore Boy copper cleaning pads, along with fiberglass insulation, constitute a silencer, unless they are for immediate strawman export to Mexico."
24 posted on 11/16/2011 1:29:54 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Tenacious 1

And two-liter coke bottles.


25 posted on 11/16/2011 1:29:57 PM PST by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: DCBryan1

So let me get this straight. The ATF won’t let me possess a box of Brillo pads, but the ATF will give the Mexican drug cartels assault weapons?


26 posted on 11/16/2011 1:31:50 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: DCBryan1

I dug more into the story, and found this ATF letter which....are you ready? Which states that a SHOESTRING can be a MACHINE-GUN.

Ya don’t believe it, right? This one was new to me:

http://jpfo.org/images02/shoestring.jpg

Nice, huh? That is the original letter from the ATF.


27 posted on 11/16/2011 1:32:22 PM PST by gaijin
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To: DCBryan1

This is the new trick in town. Just redefine the language to fit existing laws. No fuss, no muss.


28 posted on 11/16/2011 1:32:30 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SkyDancer
If you have some rubber stoppers and empty plastic water bottles laying about you are in violation for having silencer manufacturing parts.

Not to mention baffles in your motorcycle mufflers...

"OMG! It's a double-barreled motorcycle muffler baffle! Run for your lives!"

29 posted on 11/16/2011 1:33:47 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: moovova

My dad showed me how to use oven mitts with my Beretta Tomcat .32cal.


30 posted on 11/16/2011 1:35:25 PM PST by SkyDancer ('If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate ")
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To: DCBryan1

Let them prove the material isn’t what came in it.


31 posted on 11/16/2011 1:35:30 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: montyspython
I must resist...

But the real question is...

Resist you "much"?

32 posted on 11/16/2011 1:36:10 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: SkyDancer
oven mitts

Clever...and, as yet, still legal.

33 posted on 11/16/2011 1:38:36 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: moovova

I am being temp.....ted, must... re...sist...


34 posted on 11/16/2011 1:38:55 PM PST by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: DCBryan1

SHUT UP!


35 posted on 11/16/2011 1:39:31 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: DCBryan1
Time to bolt the country, in silence of course :-)


36 posted on 11/16/2011 1:43:04 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: DCBryan1

I’m still waiting for my ATF approval letters for a couple of suppressors. It’s now been the “usual” 4 months. I called the gun shop and they said that the flow of letters from ATF has slowed to a crawl. They’re barely getting any lately... and it’s taking more like 5 months for most of them.

Arrgh.


37 posted on 11/16/2011 1:43:41 PM PST by Ramius (personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: DCBryan1

That’s what he gets for asking permission. He’d have been better off just doing it and keeping his mouth shut. Now he’s awakened the government beast and they are on his scent.


38 posted on 11/16/2011 1:52:39 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Tenacious 1

Exactly! Whats more worrisome is that such a rule doesn’t apply to nfa weapons. Its considered maintenance and for restricted parts one only needs the tax stamp.


39 posted on 11/16/2011 2:00:30 PM PST by 556x45
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To: DCBryan1

Suppressed is Best


40 posted on 11/16/2011 2:08:58 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing)
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To: DCBryan1
"Right. Stop that now. It's silly. Very silly indeed."
41 posted on 11/16/2011 2:10:15 PM PST by Ken H (They are running out of other people's money. )
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To: DCBryan1

In the right hands, a scrubber is a very dangerous weapon.

42 posted on 11/16/2011 2:13:49 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: DCBryan1
tangled copper ropes to slow down the expanding gasses,

I suspect a length of copper shielding jacket stripped out of a piece of coax cable would work just as well.

43 posted on 11/16/2011 2:15:00 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: BuckeyeTexan

And grenades.


44 posted on 11/16/2011 2:24:46 PM PST by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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45 posted on 11/16/2011 2:28:49 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: DCBryan1

Quick ban copper tubing, you can make a still out of it!!!!!

Quick Ban everything, you can probably make something else out of it that is probably illegal!!!!!!


46 posted on 11/16/2011 2:41:59 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Tenacious 1
I think that pillows are okay as long as you don't remove the tag.

-PJ

47 posted on 11/16/2011 2:44:03 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: DCBryan1

Gun silencers should be legal. Stop the irrational fear of tools, even deadly tools.

What I want is silencers for leaf blowers. Those drive me up the wall.


48 posted on 11/16/2011 2:45:07 PM PST by bvw
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To: gaijin
I dug more into the story, and found this ATF letter which....are you ready? Which states that a SHOESTRING can be a MACHINE-GUN.

More proof that BATFAGS are light in the loafers.

49 posted on 11/16/2011 3:23:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: goldstategop
"When Brillo pads are outlawed, only outlaws will have Brillo pads."

Err..., uhh...,hey, that's racist!?....uhh, oh never mind. /sarc>

50 posted on 11/16/2011 6:02:19 PM PST by semaj
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