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House passes concealed carry gun bill
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57326335-503544/house-passes-concealed-carry-gun-bill/ ^

Posted on 11/16/2011 3:57:58 PM PST by macquire

The House of Representatives passed a measure Wednesday that would make a permit to carry a concealed firearm from one state valid in any state that allows citizens to carry concealed weapons. The vote was 272 to 154.

The National Rifle Association-backed measure had the backing of the vast majority of Republicans along with a coalition of pro-gun rights Democrats.

A matching bill has not been brought forward in the Democrat-led Senate. But gun rights advocates have previously nearly-successfully attempted to attach a similar measure to unrelated legislation.

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The Democrats running the Senate are running scared on this.
1 posted on 11/16/2011 3:58:01 PM PST by macquire
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To: marktwain

Ping!


2 posted on 11/16/2011 3:59:43 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: macquire

Last time I read, the 2nd Amendment doesn’t require me to inform the government that I’m carrying


3 posted on 11/16/2011 4:01:20 PM PST by VocalObserver
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To: macquire

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.


4 posted on 11/16/2011 4:03:36 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: macquire
The Obama administration, which has been reticent to weigh in on gun rights issues, declined to take a position on the bill despite calls from gun rights opponents for the president to issue a veto threat.

'Present'?

5 posted on 11/16/2011 4:04:15 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: macquire

I should HOPE so!!!!!!!!!!!!

It has no chance, of course, but at LEAST that’s not the Republican’s fault, that much, I guess can be said at this time.


6 posted on 11/16/2011 4:05:48 PM PST by FourtySeven (When does the race card run out of credit?)
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Dang run on sentence. < sigh >


7 posted on 11/16/2011 4:06:54 PM PST by FourtySeven (When does the race card run out of credit?)
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To: macquire

Wohoo!
But can it pass the senate?


8 posted on 11/16/2011 4:06:59 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40
‘Present’?

It is President Obama’s signature trademark, after all.

9 posted on 11/16/2011 4:07:01 PM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: macquire

One of my issues with HR 822 is the following, as stated on the CBS website:

“The bill would not allow Americans to secure permits in another state for use in their home state.”

In other words, though I have a valid Utah CCW, I still can’t legally carry in CA.


10 posted on 11/16/2011 4:07:36 PM PST by filospinato
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To: FourtySeven

The undertaker in the SZenate made it possible for the two-faced democrats to vote for this knowing Harry would kill it in the Senate. Same old same old


11 posted on 11/16/2011 4:12:06 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: filospinato

Incrementalism. One step at a time.

They didn’t get all these restrictions and such passed at once, either.


12 posted on 11/16/2011 4:13:03 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: macquire
"House passes concealed carry gun bill"

OLD NEWS - not "Breaking News"

I'm sorry but this was "Breaking News" back in '87.

September 17, 1787, to be exact.

13 posted on 11/16/2011 4:13:59 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: macquire

good, I see no where in the 2nd that states can ban guns, tell us how many guns we can have etc.

When I have gone places where I do not know I like to take my gun but going to certain states is a problem due to checking which states has which laws.

Now the senate can take this bill and we’ll see where the senate comes out on this and if this does pass then where does bozo the clown and his socialist mob stand.


14 posted on 11/16/2011 4:23:13 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman. I HATE OUR BIAS LIBERAL CORRUPT MEDIA)
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To: Jeff Head

which is why it disgusts me that we have judges who cannot understand those simple few words.


15 posted on 11/16/2011 4:24:19 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman. I HATE OUR BIAS LIBERAL CORRUPT MEDIA)
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16 posted on 11/16/2011 4:24:27 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker dowTn)
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To: filospinato

California doesn’t have a CC law?


17 posted on 11/16/2011 4:25:05 PM PST by macquire
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To: macquire

Boob bait for Bubbas.


18 posted on 11/16/2011 4:27:18 PM PST by EternalVigilance (We're watching the final throes of the GOPocalypse. Newt Gingrich? Mitt Romney? LOL...)
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To: filospinato

If you’re a resident of that state, you still have to obey that state’s laws. The bill won’t change that situation. What it says is if you visit California, California will have to recognize your CCW as valid - as long as you visit California. That’s the same elsewhere in the country.


19 posted on 11/16/2011 4:27:29 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: filospinato
In other words, though I have a valid Utah CCW, I still can’t legally carry in CA.

Not quite - it stops someone from going to another state to obtain a CCW permit for use in their home state.

If the issue is that you relocated, and more restrictive CA CCW laws are preventing you from obtaining a permit there - oh well.

Utah didn't kick you out did they?

20 posted on 11/16/2011 4:28:38 PM PST by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: macquire

Aint it funny the Republicans seem to wish all Americans could
benefit from their Bill of Rights protection—the Democrats simply want to make sure everybody gets sodomized.


21 posted on 11/16/2011 4:31:21 PM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: 70times7

It simply requires a state to honor a CCW permit if another state allows them. Some states like HI and IL don’t, so that doesn’t allow you to carry in them. For most of the country, its not a problem.


22 posted on 11/16/2011 4:32:01 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: macquire

Lets see if “Pro Gun” Harry Reid lets this come up for a vote in the Senate?


23 posted on 11/16/2011 4:32:40 PM PST by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: Jeff Head
The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Tell that to 1934.

24 posted on 11/16/2011 4:35:13 PM PST by wastedyears (11/11/11 is National Metal Day.)
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To: filospinato

I assume that is because you currently are a resident of California?

The congress has been a bit reticent in overriding a state’s prerogative to set the rules for it’s own citizens within it’s own state. I do agree with you on the matter of guns — the U.S. constitution says the people have the right to bear arms, and those rights should not be infringed by the states, since we passed the 14th amendment.

The law as written also will not allow concealed carry permit holders to carry in the one state that doesn’t allow concealed carry (also DC). Again a bow to state’s rights.

I’d be interested in knowing which of our current candidates would sign this bill if it made it to their desks. So far, I think Herman Cain is the only one who has indirectly indicated he would veto this bill. In April, talking at a campaign stop, he said that concealed carry was strictly a state issue, and the feds should have no say in the matter.


25 posted on 11/16/2011 4:36:43 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: macquire
House Democratic Whip Steny H. Hoyer said in a statement before the vote that the bill "would cripple the ability of individual states to legislate on firearm safety and related public safety issues as their unique circumstances dictate."

ROTFLMAO!

Yeah, Steny Hoyer the newly born one concerned about federalism!

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26 posted on 11/16/2011 4:37:26 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: trussell

ping!


27 posted on 11/16/2011 4:38:36 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: goldstategop

Hawaii allows concealed carry — it’s only Iowa and DC that don’t.


28 posted on 11/16/2011 4:38:41 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: mylife
But can it pass the senate?

All that aside, is it veto proof?

29 posted on 11/16/2011 4:40:06 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: macquire

“California doesn’t have a CC law?”

Sort of....

“This varies from county to county and from city to city. Rural counties are normally easier than suburban counties. Good Cause is the variable that applicants must deal with. Statute and case law require departments to make an individual evaluation of each applicant’s Good Cause. Some departments list on their policies certain professions and occupations that under some circumstances will satisfy their Good Cause requirements.”

In other words, sort of...

http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com/faq.html#f40


30 posted on 11/16/2011 4:45:20 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Its Illinois you’re thinking of not Iowa


31 posted on 11/16/2011 4:45:57 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
HI and DC have a no-issue policy, despite Heller. IA is now a RTC state.
32 posted on 11/16/2011 4:48:44 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jessduntno

CA, NY, NJ, MD, MA and RI are all may issue states. Their permit systems are arbitrary and corrupt. In general, in those states, its easier to get a permit in a rural jurisdiction than in an urban one. Rural jurisdictions in may issue states are effectively shall issue in practice.


33 posted on 11/16/2011 4:51:45 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: macquire
I'm opposed to having the federal government involved in this. If this passes, then immediately following will be bills providing "guidelines" on how to grant CCW.

As it stands, reciprocity is decent and getting better. We don't need this.

34 posted on 11/16/2011 4:56:45 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: macquire

Dang, I thought it was for all states.


35 posted on 11/16/2011 4:58:08 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: macquire

Wow. I am waiting for all those freepers from the drug thread to come and condemn this legislation for interfering with the state right to legalize any damned thing it wants, because the Bill of Rights doesn’t apply to the states.

Should I hold my breath waiting for them??


36 posted on 11/16/2011 5:07:11 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: macquire

I’ve got all the gun “rights” I need from the 1st Continental Congess, the US Constitution’s 2nd Amendment and my USMC pledge to my betters to refuse to crawl before any Nazi leftist, telling me what my gun “rights” might be.

How about this, you chicken-livered RINOs in the US House: Give me back Edison’s lightbulb.

You poodle-kissing, pants-wetting RINOs PROMISED to bring up legislation to repeal this stupid law. How about you gutless wonders start attacking the eco-fascists and give me my lightbulb.

Gad, I hate spineless Republican worms. Screw you, Republican Nancy-boys.


37 posted on 11/16/2011 5:18:45 PM PST by sergeantdave
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38 posted on 11/16/2011 5:19:21 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: voteNRA; goldstategop

You are right, Illinois not Iowa....


39 posted on 11/16/2011 5:40:39 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: goldstategop

True. MA is probably most corrupt, though. They issue by contribution. The bigger, the faster you get the License.


40 posted on 11/16/2011 5:41:17 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: EGPWS

Heck no.


41 posted on 11/16/2011 5:51:02 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: StonyBurk
the Democrats simply want to make sure everybody gets sodomized.

The right to keep and bare your butt shall NOT be infringed.

I think it is guaranteed somewhere in the Constitution.

42 posted on 11/16/2011 6:05:53 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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43 posted on 11/16/2011 6:07:36 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Iowa is a “shall issue” state.

We can and do carry.

Illinois is the state that doesn’t recognize the 2A.


44 posted on 11/16/2011 6:16:02 PM PST by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Iowa does allow concealed carry - if you are visiting it is all right to have a Utah permit there. They also are now a shall issue state and this was a very short time ago.


45 posted on 11/16/2011 6:19:41 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: LachlanMinnesota

I’m trying to find out how my Congressmen voted, but can’t find it on Thomas. Anyone have the vote details?


46 posted on 11/16/2011 6:44:45 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

I found it:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll842.xml


47 posted on 11/16/2011 6:57:54 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: macquire
concealed
48 posted on 11/16/2011 7:26:01 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: macquire
My rep voted right. Thank you Tim Walberg.

However, what happened to Rob Woodall? My girlfriend's family is in that Georgia district. It's a conservative area and he voted no. I got some phone calls to make tomorrow.

49 posted on 11/16/2011 7:40:55 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: GeronL
Wow. I am waiting for all those freepers from the drug thread to come and condemn this legislation for interfering with the state right to legalize any damned thing it wants, because the Bill of Rights doesn’t apply to the states.

There is an enormous difference between saying that states cannot restrict your rights, and saying that states have the power to restrict your rights. You are equating the two. They are opposites.

States have powers. Individuals have rights. They are not the same.

50 posted on 11/16/2011 9:36:29 PM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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