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Fox News poll: Gingrich 23, Romney 22, Cain 15
Hotair ^ | 11/16/2011 | Allahpundit

Posted on 11/16/2011 5:40:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind

So here's the game we're playing this week.

GOP primary voters see Romney (26 percent) and Cain (25 percent) as the most likeable Republican contenders. They view Paul (15 percent) and Bachmann (12 percent) as the least likeable. Cain ties with Bachmann as the second least likeable (12 percent), putting him in the unique position of making the top three in both likeable and unlikeable groups.

When asked who they would trust most with nuclear weapons, nearly twice as many primary voters say Gingrich than Romney (30 percent and 17 percent respectively). Those voters would least trust Paul (13 percent), Bachmann (11 percent) and Cain (10 percent) with nukes.

What about electability? GOP primary voters overwhelmingly see Romney as the Republican with the best chance of beating Barack Obama in the general election. Thirty-seven percent of primary voters think Romney is the most electable candidate. That’s double the number that says Gingrich (18 percent) and Cain (17 percent). Three percent of GOP primary voters think none of the Republicans can beat Obama.

Fully 60 percent of primary voters say they might still change their minds, including nearly seven in 10 Romney supporters(!). The good news for Cain is that 52 percent think the women who accused him of harassment are being motivated by money or politics versus just 25 percent who think they’re telling the truth. The bad news is that 23 percent say the charges are enough to disqualify him and another 43 percent say they need more information to decide. He’s down nine points overall this month. As for Perry, he was at 19 percent in September, 10 percent last month, and … seven percent this month, just one point ahead of Bachmann. Seven percent is where he is in Iowa right now too. Barring a total collapse by both Gingrich and Cain, remind me again how he wins the caucuses and catapults himself back into a two-man race with Romney.

Actually, here’s a freaky deaky scenario for you via the Daily Caller, but one which I’ve been thinking about myself: What if Ron Paul wins Iowa? He’s already at 19 percent in one poll, a single thin point behind Cain. If he’s close the last week before the caucuses, Paulnuts in Iowa will be turbo-charged to turn out for him and pull the upset. If that happens, he’ll get a bounce heading into New Hampshire — and he’s already second there too, albeit a very distant second to Romney. New Hampshire famously loves dark horses and mavericks so maybe he pulls the upset there too, and before you know it Ron Paul’s the nominee and we’re suddenly the party of “friendship” with Iran. No no, I kid. A Paul win in Iowa would, I take it, be Romney’s dream come true because it would finally break down the last resistance among Mitt-hating mainstream Republicans to voting for him. If there’s a viable Not Romney to vote for in New Hampshire, South Carolina, or Florida, that’s a tough call; if there’s just Mitt and Ron Paul, well, we’ll have to suck it up. Exit question one: Will Team Romney quietly send the Mittheads out to caucus for Paul on January 3? Exit question two: Did I read that blockquote correctly? The most likable candidate in the Republican field isn’t Herman Cain but … Mitt Romney? Good lord.


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1 posted on 11/16/2011 5:40:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 11/16/2011 5:41:09 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SeekAndFind
Look Who's Smiling,"
3 posted on 11/16/2011 5:50:12 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: SeekAndFind

GOP primary voters see Romney (26 percent) and Cain (25 percent) as the most likeable Republican contenders.

This is what I care about. Cain will win this thing and send Romney back to the Olympics. Perhaps he can help with the London Olympics. Cain 2012. All the other crap is noise. I don’t care about who you would trust with the nuc button. That has never been asked before. Just a way to lift liberal Nancy Pelosi lover Newt.


4 posted on 11/16/2011 5:54:58 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: SeekAndFind

Another pro Romney poll for Fox...


5 posted on 11/16/2011 5:58:05 PM PST by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am certainly not the person to do it,
but “somebody” ought to post a thread
discussing the actual, authorized, constitutional powers of the president.

The media and the sheeple would have us all believe that we have a king.
The powers granted to the president are actually few and limited.

Most of the crap about “if I am elected president I will...” is little more than hogwash.

The president can not:
...build a border wall...
...institute a flat tax...
...institute a 9-9-9 tax plan...
...reform medicare/medicaid...
...reform social security...
...etc., etc., etc.

The president can veto bills, nominate supreme court justices, name ambassadors, and is the commander in chief of the armed forces.

Ninety nine percent of all the credit/blame placed on “the president” is misplaced
and should rightfully be credited/blamed on our representatives and senators.

There were no “bush tax cuts” ... congress did it...
There is no “obamacare” ... congress did it...
...etc., etc., etc...


6 posted on 11/16/2011 5:58:36 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: napscoordinator
Cain will win this thing

Cain simply doesn't know enough about policy to win the nomination. He draws a blank on anything that can't be answered with 999 (which isn't good policy either). Sorry, Herman won't be the nominee. Nice guy, good motivational speaker, not ready for prime time.

Gingrich or Perry are the only viable alternatives to Romney. Sadly, Perry can't communicate well enough for the job. Newt seems to be the only real option at this point.

7 posted on 11/16/2011 6:02:15 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Gotta agree. Cain is being vetted and won’t make it. Sorry guys.


8 posted on 11/16/2011 6:06:40 PM PST by Tolaei1
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To: Longbow1969

And I am telling you that if we pick Newt or Perry for that fact, we will lose. Why are FREEPERS giving up on the conservatives? Bachmann is extremely intelligent. Santorum is so conservative that I don’t think anyone is more so and Cain has a varied experience that no other has. This is the saddest election ever.


9 posted on 11/16/2011 6:09:45 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Tolaei1

Would prefer Gingrich over Romney any day.

At least NG apologized for NY23 and the couch.


10 posted on 11/16/2011 6:09:57 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

But what primary can Newt win?


11 posted on 11/16/2011 6:13:00 PM PST by Mike Darancette (999er for Cain.)
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To: bicyclerepair

Newt’s my preferred now. I still like Perry and he was my first. But he imploded and that’s that. I’m not going to keep up with someone that just isn’t ready. I also don’t like the slavish devotion some have had towards who they like. I believe in trying to get the right person now, and right now it looks like Newt to me.


12 posted on 11/16/2011 6:15:05 PM PST by Tolaei1
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To: SeekAndFind

Fox News: Cain down 9%.

Bill O’Reilly: Cain down 15% in “recent polls”. Don’t go dancing on his grave quite yet, Billy....


13 posted on 11/16/2011 6:18:19 PM PST by bigbob
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To: napscoordinator
If we get the House and Senate, Obama could win and it actually might be fun to watch until he quits or is impeached.

I am not getting too exercised at this point about this media-controlled square dance.
14 posted on 11/16/2011 6:19:15 PM PST by hemogoblin
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To: napscoordinator
Why are FREEPERS giving up on the conservatives? Bachmann is extremely intelligent. Santorum is so conservative that I don’t think anyone is more so and Cain has a varied experience that no other has. This is the saddest election ever.

You think we all don't wish we had another Ronald Reagan? You think some of us don't wish we had a super solid conservative who could actually get elected?

I agree with Bachmann more than any other candidate, but she just doesn't come across well. I wish she did. I wish we had a candidate with her views who seemed presidential, but Michele comes off poorly and the polls reflect that. I like Santorum too, but again, he doesn't make a good impression and he lost his home state of PA by 18 points last time around. As for Cain, he's a happy warrior and a good motivational speaker - but the guy doesn't seem to know much about...well...anything other than 999. Not only does that not cut it, but I don't even like 999 because I oppose the consumption tax. Herman is too much of a novice anyway, he's just nowhere near ready for a national presidential general election. He'd get crushed and take our House majority down with him.

We need to support the most conservative candidate who CAN win. This is not the time for a national version of Christine O'Donnell - a good conservative who had absolutely zero chance to win statewide in Delaware. I'd hope people have learned their lesson with the miserable failures that were CoD, Angle, Miller, etc. Bad candidates don't win no matter how right they are on the issues.

So we all agree Romney isn't even a conservative. That leaves us with only 2 candidates, Newt and Perry, who have a reasonable shot at knocking off Mitt. I've tried to support Perry, I hoped he could get his act together, but it seems to me he just doesn't have the communications skills needed for the job. So as best I can tell, that leaves us with Newt.

15 posted on 11/16/2011 6:26:36 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Mechanicos

Another outcome based poll. The real indicator is fundraising. Cain is the big winner two weeks running. I expect that trend to continue as Romney, Perry and Gingrich continue to make fools of themselves.

Actually, I kind of like Gingrich out there appearing to be frontrunner. The media, Perry and Romney will be taking shots at him for a while. Meahwhile Cain will continue to solidify himself in the real frontrunner position.


16 posted on 11/16/2011 6:29:08 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: Longbow1969

If you look at Newt’s background, you see an impulsive individual who does unpredictable and unexplainable things that do not, at times, fit into a Conservative mind set. I am not comfortable with this type of shifting, unsteady Conservative personality. Just six months ago or so, he was a supporter of the unConstitutional individual mandate in Federal health insurance. Before that he took center stage with Pelosi as a proponent for global warming. Look at his personal life. Three marriages suggests to me an impulsive individual who doesn’t know what he really wants, even in his personal life. For someone who is obviously very smart, he still exhibits a very immature, impulsive personality in his professional and personal actions.


17 posted on 11/16/2011 6:31:19 PM PST by iontheball
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To: Longbow1969

“So we all agree Romney isn’t even a conservative. That leaves us with only 2 candidates, Newt and Perry, who have a reasonable shot at knocking off Mitt. I’ve tried to support Perry, I hoped he could get his act together, but it seems to me he just doesn’t have the communications skills needed for the job. So as best I can tell, that leaves us with Newt.”

It is looking like Newt or Perry, but I wouldn’t count Cain out just yet. He’s raised a ton of cash and if he can turn that into a first rate organization, he’s still got a shot.

I also wouldn’t count out Perry. Yeah, the debate flub was pretty bad, but he came back with a pretty strong performance on Saturday, and he’s got some pretty good policy proposals that people can get behind.

It’s a shame for Perry that he didn’t get into the race with the campaign team he has now. His current team seems to have him much better prepped for the debates. If he’d had the right team in place from the beginning, he might still be in the top tier in the polls.


18 posted on 11/16/2011 6:36:00 PM PST by lquist1
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To: Longbow1969

Newt was just on for a short 8-minute segment with Mark Levin. Mark grilled him on global warming/cap and trade. Newt said we don’t know enough right now to say whether or not man is causing global warming/climate change. Certainly not enough to put forth a cap and trade “solution.” If we are to spend any money it should be for research. Newt answered the question in a reasonable way though he was only forceful with not spending more for a cap & trade solution. Mark asked him if he would come back on and answer more questions and Newt said he would.

Newt has more baggage than the other candidates but he is the smartest, knows the most and is the best debater by far. I think a combination Newt/Cain would be a good election mix.


19 posted on 11/16/2011 6:41:17 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: iontheball
If you look at Newt’s background, you see an impulsive individual who does unpredictable and unexplainable things that do not, at times, fit into a Conservative mind set. I am not comfortable with this type of shifting, unsteady Conservative personality. Just six months ago or so, he was a supporter of the unConstitutional individual mandate in Federal health insurance. Before that he took center stage with Pelosi as a proponent for global warming. Look at his personal life. Three marriages suggests to me an impulsive individual who doesn’t know what he really wants, even in his personal life. For someone who is obviously very smart, he still exhibits a very immature, impulsive personality in his professional and personal actions.

I don't really disagree with you at all. Newt has serious faults. I've actually got more problems with him than just that. Gingrich is just not disciplined and seems too eager to reach accords with ideological opposites if they are willing to intellectually joust with him. He is a brilliant man who just can't stay focused, and his personal life is a train wreck. It's a problem, I know. What can I say? I don't want Romney. I see Newt as the only viable alternative who can prevent Mitt from getting the nomination and at least give us a chance to win the White House. I am not optimistic about 2012. My hunch is we are going to get Romney even though no actual conservative wants him, and if I had to guess now I'd say Obama is likely to win re-election.

20 posted on 11/16/2011 6:44:38 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: lquist1
but I wouldn’t count Cain out just yet. He’s raised a ton of cash and if he can turn that into a first rate organization, he’s still got a shot.

I think Cain bluffed his way this far on the strength of his personality and motivational speaking abilities, but I've never thought him someone who actually understood the issues and it is increasingly clear that was the correct assessment. The guy just doesn't have a clue outside of 999. He says what he thinks conservatives want to hear, he may even have excellent instincts, but he doesn't know the material and would never pass the test of a national general election. Herman would lose in a catastrophic landslide that would take our House majority with him. If he somehow won the nomination I'd vote for him, but in the primaries there is no chance he gets my vote.

21 posted on 11/16/2011 6:54:15 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Repeal The 17th
Thank you!!!

And that's why I can't stand, nor do I fault them much, when they make lofty statements about what they will or won't do. I do however disrespect them if they use the words “I promise,” because they can't promise diddly-squat.

And that's why 9-9-9 or 20% flat tax, or whatever is being proposed is just a “campaign slogan” — it's not reality. It's marketing.

Hope and Change was marketing. A lot of people bought it. It was hot air.

We should focus on values, loyalties, principles, and leadership.

22 posted on 11/16/2011 7:06:39 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: Longbow1969
When I first saw the video of his “Libya gaffe,” I was quite shocked, and I thought it was definitely on par with Perry's brain-freeze. (Because Perry's 3 departments are a campaign talking point that he should have had memorized, whereas Cain's Libya question was a spontaneous question with a spontaneous answer.)

Anyway, I just finished watching the entire 35 minute interview from which the Libya gaffe was snipped. And I must say, it was not nearly as bad when seen with the entire line of questioning that led up to that gaffe. Let me put it this way: I was equally as shocked to see how much LESS BAD it was when framed by the entire interview, rather than snipped right at the moment where he was pausing to collect his thoughts.

And as an aside, when Cain commented that he had asked Kissinger to be his Secretary of State, it was clear (to me) that he was joking. But he had an audience with clearly zero sense of humor, so the joke fell flat.

Second aside, there was one punk reporter in the room, who would not drop a line of questioning, despite Cain saying a half-dozen times that he was done commenting on that topic. I wish Cain would have reached over and B-slapped him. Finally, another journalist even helped Cain tell the punk to shut up.

23 posted on 11/16/2011 7:13:46 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: SeekAndFind

When asked who they would trust most with nuclear weapons, nearly twice as many primary voters say Gingrich than Romney
____________________________________________________

Hell, 3 of his wives couldn’t even trust him with his own penis. Now we’re supposed to trust him with nukes. Not me. I’ve been married 23 years to one woman and never even came close cheating.


24 posted on 11/16/2011 7:21:43 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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25 posted on 11/16/2011 7:51:02 PM PST by TitansAFC (Stop the caINSANITY, The Pizza guy is less qualified than Obama!!! No New taxes!!)
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To: Tolaei1

Well guess who is next???? Gingrich and then Romney

Translation = Obama gets another 4 years because the Republicans led the Obama worshinping press and media lead them around by the nose.

Ultimatly our cournty loses out thanks to Republicans caving to the media and press.

Reset assure if the Repubicans allow this, then it will be the rise of the Tea Party. Oh and the begining of the end of the Republican party.

RINOs like Romney is why we have Obama.

Romney = McCain Part II


26 posted on 11/16/2011 8:01:55 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: SeekAndFind

I would vote for Paul before I’d vote for Romney. I’ll never vote for Romney.


27 posted on 11/16/2011 8:02:30 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: SeekAndFind
What if Ron Paul wins Iowa?

God forbid!

But he does have the most ground troops in Iowa over all other candidates... and the New England states....they've been working it for sometime. His foreign policy sucks majorly ...he'll get us all snuffed out!...as follows:

- Paul would end all economic sanctions on Iran... and work on building a "friendship" with the evil regime in Tehran.

- Paul says he sees no problem in Iran having nuclear weapons.

- Paul says there is "no concrete evidence" that Iran is building nuclear weapons and opposes using military action to stop Iran from getting the Bomb.

- What's more, Paul says he would cut U.S. military aid to Israel.

Now there's a receipe for major disaster!

28 posted on 11/16/2011 8:03:16 PM PST by caww
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To: dools0007world
Another outcome based poll. The real indicator is fundraising

But when Cain was leading they weren't outcome-based polls?

Reactions to scientific polling have to be the greatest continuing psychosis of FR.

29 posted on 11/16/2011 8:03:40 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: TitansAFC

I think the press is going to truly hammer Newt......and they will come at him from all directions...one by one they are taking them out. But I do think Newt will stand the test and the press will be given a run for their money messing with him.


30 posted on 11/16/2011 8:06:20 PM PST by caww
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To: Sprite518

Romney isn’t an option obvious. I just can’t understand how the field has been so weak.

I don’t think there was any conspiracy. Newt has won the debates since the beginning since he’s clearly the smartest one by far. I just hope he won’t implode from external forces.

The rest have done themselves in, no conspiracy. Newt may as well too.


31 posted on 11/16/2011 8:12:50 PM PST by Tolaei1
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To: musicman

President Newt Gingrich....... it’s going to happen.


32 posted on 11/16/2011 8:21:16 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012.“I’ve got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: Tolaei1

Newt has too many Skeletons. For instance,

“I cheated on my wife because I love America”

Once that gets out... Newt is done


33 posted on 11/16/2011 8:21:16 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: Longbow1969

You are correct. Newt is the only one to take on Obama and win. Independents will vote for Newt to get rid of Obama. That means we win.


34 posted on 11/16/2011 8:22:44 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: napscoordinator
This is the saddest election ever.

Well we can blame that on the whole lott'a them!..and those who might have run had the condition of this country not been as is and scared them off.

Naps , this is the last opportunity to turn the ship...but it will not be the last opportunity to vote for a conservative.

35 posted on 11/16/2011 8:25:14 PM PST by caww
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To: dools0007world

“Meanwhile Cain will continue to solidify himself in the real frontrunner position.”

LOL


36 posted on 11/16/2011 8:25:46 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012.“I’ve got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: Gator113

I think so too...I was listening to many of his videos today...he hits the mark time and again in how he sees this country and it’s people and he wants to “crush” the left...knows how to do it..and also knows he cannot do this alone. He’ll galvanize congress to act “for” the country and the democrates will be so humiliated by then they’ll go along just to regain some sense of dignity.


37 posted on 11/16/2011 8:32:07 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

Naps , this is the last opportunity to turn the ship...but it will not be the last opportunity to vote for a conservative.

I take your word for that. I just thought for sure that with Obama in the toilet, we would really work together and get a 100 percent conservative. I don’t know what percentage Newt is but I know it is not 100 percent. His divorces don’t really bother me as much as the cheating on the wives. I mean it is one thing to make a mistake and perhaps stray once, but he is constantly doing it. I think one thing for sure he has a lack of self control. Maybe at 65, he can control himself better. I don’t know. Obviously I will vote for whatever mess of a candidate that the Republicans put up because a second term for Obama would seriously destroy all of us. Of course until we get that nominee, I will still try with all of my might to convince us on this site to support Cain, Bachmann or Santorum. Once the final nail is in the coffin, I will march with all the good soldiers and vote for the Republican.....Romney is not a Republican but the others are. Thanks for all and keeping me in reality.


38 posted on 11/16/2011 8:32:15 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
I just thought for sure that with Obama in the toilet, we would really work together and get a 100 percent conservative. I don’t know what percentage Newt is but I know it is not 100 percent.

Yep...most of us thought that as well...and in the beginning we were working for just that. Still are.. because though Newt's been off track in the past from time to time...he so loves this country without a doubt...he hasn't anything to loose by giving it his all this time.....I think he will because something happened to Newt that has made an impression on him and we can see this in how he is conducting himself in this primary.

Newt's responses are measured and he is very much comfortable with himself...before his confidence sounded all to arrogant...but it's softened considerably...he won't even bash the other candidates! and we know he can do that and has in the past...he's been very outspoken concerning his past...and that BEFORE he determined to run...His whole family supports him in this run..including his ex-wives! Who have moved forward themselves.

I spent a good portion of today listening to various videos of Newt thru the years and of others who spoke of him...and his faults....He can do this Naps...there's so much in the balance now that he won't have time for the stuff we might disagree with...he's going to be too busy shutting of the spigots for the first two years alone...he moved congress before when nobody else could...for me he's worth the risk...and we need someone to stop the bleeding.

I can live with Newt for four years despite his past....I don't think there are many today running who can do the job frankly...there just isn't time for them to learn how to be a President and they all need "training". Further...the dbates will surely be used by Newt to call Obama out for the cad and dastardly things he has done..and this in full view of the audiance. I think it will take that for the people to really see who Obama is ......Newt can and will take Obama's mask off and nail his butt against the wall.

39 posted on 11/16/2011 8:57:21 PM PST by caww
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To: Tolaei1
Gotta agree. Cain is being vetted and won’t make it. Sorry guys.

LOL. Thanks for your opinion, Captain N00b.
40 posted on 11/16/2011 8:59:14 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: napscoordinator
And I am telling you that if we pick Newt or Perry for that fact, we will lose. Why are FREEPERS giving up on the conservatives? Bachmann is extremely intelligent. Santorum is so conservative that I don’t think anyone is more so and Cain has a varied experience that no other has. This is the saddest election ever. I absolutely don't see HOW Newt Gingrich will lose to Barack Obama. Did you ever hear one of his speeches? NO ONE draws a clearer distinction between the results of Obama's liberal policies, vs. his conservative proposals (New Contract). All Obama can do is attack. He has no record of accomplishment to run on. Yes.... Newt has some material to attack, but Newt is pretty bad*ss in defending himself. Have you seen the moderators go after Newt, and the end result? Hey.... I love Rick Santorum, but if he jumped into the lead, Free Republic would go crazy, calling him a RINO for supporting Arlen Spector. Santorum would be the Mike Huckabee of the race, but he is just lacking the charisma and personality to rise up. Bachmann is very conservative too, but people find her attacks on other candidates to be petty. She's done after Iowa. Cain is just flat-out WAY too inexperienced. If he can't answer simple Libya questions, imagine how bad the 1 billion dollar Obama attack machine will destroy him. 9-9-9 is not the answer to all questions. I'm telling you.... get behind Newt. NO ONE can dissect Obama like Newt will.
41 posted on 11/16/2011 9:05:47 PM PST by jageorge72
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To: Longbow1969

“The guy just doesn’t have a clue outside of 999. He says what he thinks conservatives want to hear, he may even have excellent instincts, but he doesn’t know the material and would never pass the test of a national general election.”

Yeah-I’ve always had reservations about electing a guy without any elective experience (even dog catcher) going straight to the most powerful elected position in the world. But the thing is-he’s got a core of supporters that will excuse anything he says (no matter how incoherent) simply because he’s “authentic.” This could take him a long way in the primary. But you’re right, in the general election, I think he would struggle.


42 posted on 11/16/2011 9:25:33 PM PST by lquist1
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To: SeekAndFind
This is going to be interesting, Cain looks like this years Steve Forbes, Romney looks like this years Bob Dole/Bush/McCain, Bachman is this years Alan Keyes/Gary Bauer.......Newt and Perry haven't gotten pegged yet, but do remind me a bit of Fred Thompson and Phil Gramm or Mike Huckabee in some respects.

Not sure who is going to win, but by God, I hope its not Romney.

43 posted on 11/16/2011 9:33:14 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: iontheball

Ten years ago, I’d have agreed that your concerns were valid. But times change, and people change. Newt has changed his life, and I think has grown up. His long term conservative ideals and his grasp of the subject matter necessary for the Presidency make him our best shot.

And he has explained or apologized for just about all of the baggage and criticisms I’ve heard around here.


44 posted on 11/16/2011 9:36:48 PM PST by moonhawk (Broken Heart(less) Hobbit for Sarah...Now for Newt)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I have come to see that the tea party is not united. And that it has become too confusing to know who to trust. Conservatives attack each other. So it is a mess.

I like opinions of various commentators and conservative politicians and candidates. But then people try hard to knock them down and I find things that I can’t agree with that they said or did or support. So then I am confused a little.

Right now I am with Cain and Bachmann. If not these two, I’ll have to go for someone else with a negative upside.

But I play the game too. I am dead set against Perry and said some of what people are saying against Cain about Perry.


45 posted on 11/17/2011 12:39:13 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Strategerist

I thought I made it clear. My barometer is fund raising not polls. I guess you missed that in my very short post.


46 posted on 11/17/2011 4:51:51 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: dools0007world

If Cain wins Iowa, which he is currently poised to do, he could very well win the nomination.


47 posted on 11/17/2011 4:54:01 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: dools0007world

The only thing you made clear is, you are no expert on American politics.

Cain surged for no real reason other than voter panic, in the first place. He was launched to the top first and then the fools who made that possible started seeing how inept he truly is.

Cain also blew it on his own accord. Don’t expect his fund raising to go much higher than it is now. His 15 minutes of fame is 1 hour over.


48 posted on 11/17/2011 5:08:59 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: bigdirty
So you are trying to claim that who ever wins Iowa, wins the nomination? Maybe you should ask President Huckabee about that first.

In fact, no candidate has ever won Iowa who is polling nationally with less than 30%, prior to the actual primary.

Cain will not go over 20% from here on out and will probably go back down to where he came from in single digits.

49 posted on 11/17/2011 5:21:03 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Longbow1969; All
Great post Longbow..

Hey, I like Herman Cain. I think he would be a great VP, or SecTreas, or any other national level role dealing with fiscal and regulatory policy.

But for the top of the ticket - no way I'm voting for him unless Mitt is the only other name on the ballot. Cain just hasn't done his homework, particularly on foreign policy.

My nightmare is him getting a 98 mph fastball in the debate with Zero....

"Ahhhhh....... how about you go first, Mr. President?"

Cain is the latest beneficiary of the Angle/O'Donnell/Palin mindset which is very, very strong on FR. It's the mindset which holds that naivete and artlessness are not only acceptable in a candidate, they are downright required. Even a hint of scholarly attainment in a candidate is despised.

This is an understandable reaction to the we-know-better-than-you hyper academicism of the Obama administration. But it's an overreaction, and in my opinion it's gone way too far.

50 posted on 11/17/2011 6:28:57 AM PST by Notary Sojac
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