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The New Welfare Swindle
The American Spectator ^ | 11-17-11 | Christopher Orlet

Posted on 11/17/2011 3:41:53 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

Ever since I moved to the inner city one thing has puzzled me more than any other, and that is how my low-income neighbors get by. Assuming they aren't doing anything illegal, how do they afford their homes, their meals, their gadgets, their cars?

Few seem to work, even part time, for they are home in the morning when I leave for work, home if I stop by for lunch, and home when I return in the evening. They can't work the graveyard shift, for they keep me up half the night with their raucous music. I am left to conclude that they seldom, if ever work. Therefore, their funds must come from elsewhere. And none of them strike me as a trust fund baby.

The best I can figure is they make do with a patchwork of welfare programs. Besides, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), which expires after five years, there is housing assistance, WIC (Women, Infants and Children) and Medicaid.

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KEYWORDS: scam; ssi; welfare
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1 posted on 11/17/2011 3:41:54 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
$32,000+ for sitting on your butt all day long. And supposedly smart people publicly wring their hands and wonder why the US is going down the tube.
2 posted on 11/17/2011 3:46:56 AM PST by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It is in a social worker’s best interest to keep welfare recipients dependent.

If social workers were so good at their jobs that they eliminated the need for welfare, they’d be out of a job.

So yes, there are probably different programs, under different names, that are creatively used to keep the game going.


3 posted on 11/17/2011 3:47:02 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: afraidfortherepublic

We’ffare ping


4 posted on 11/17/2011 3:54:54 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I would like to know how they get the cars they drive as well. I see run down apartments with expensive cars like Escalades and Chrysler 300s all over the place. How do they get the loan with no income?


5 posted on 11/17/2011 3:56:31 AM PST by doodad
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To: afraidfortherepublic; SpinnerWebb
Federal data shows that roughly half are white, half black.

A mirror image of he general population .... [/sarc off

6 posted on 11/17/2011 3:58:51 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

SSI
Aid to Dependent Children
Food Stamps
Food Bank
Adult Education Grants

Now go the the flea market and by a second and third ID and file for it three times.


7 posted on 11/17/2011 4:01:56 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
welfare today=communism

The left sold it as compassion and then moved right into marxism... you are a racist if you see the truth and speak the truth.

LLS

8 posted on 11/17/2011 4:03:42 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This will explain it
Warning on the language

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ebt&source=video&cd=2&ved=0CEQQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNzspsovNvII&ei=NfbETqX8OcTnggf48MDuDg&usg=AFQjCNG_QItXwHugbx7goXL8wCFjqarQ-g


9 posted on 11/17/2011 4:05:15 AM PST by hans56
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To: tx_eggman
Those are obama’s government numbers... kind of like a Waste Management Company's books... you know... one located in NJ.

LLS

10 posted on 11/17/2011 4:06:30 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: El Laton Caliente

There are a few new benefits for low income as well, all subsidized by the taxpayers and customers of these businesses:

Low-cost urban internet access (Comcast deal to buy NBC, plus possible allocation of USF fees). You have NO idea how much this pi$$es off we middle-mile to rural-dwellers who pay through the nose for crappy internet via satellite.

Free cell phone (AT&T, Sprint, TMobile/Virgin).


11 posted on 11/17/2011 4:09:12 AM PST by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

SSI is a real rip-off and I see no candidate willing to take it on. It is probably one of the reasons SS is in big trouble.

Not only do people get it for amorphous long-term emotional ailments (I met a woman once who got it because she said working gave her migraines) and mild and vaguely defined “handicaps” such as ADD, but long-term alcoholics and drug users can also collect it as persons with a “chronic illness.”


12 posted on 11/17/2011 4:11:32 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

Don’t forget all their kiddies probably qualify with ADHD or some such nonsense. $700.00-ish per month per child results in a nice little income.


13 posted on 11/17/2011 4:14:50 AM PST by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: doodad

How do they get the loan with no income?


Oh, they have plenty of income! They are salesmen, movers, shippers, guards, and every other type of duty required of drug dealers and support services.

Its a needed service in welfare communities and well respected.


14 posted on 11/17/2011 4:14:58 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Maybe this is the laziness King Barry is fretting about?


15 posted on 11/17/2011 4:18:13 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Back in the 80s I lived in a welfare neighborhood. It wasn’t like that when I moved in but changed after a couple years. The apartments went Section 8.
I soon tired of hearing the welfare mothers complain about being “poor”. One day I broke out my calculator for a neighbor and added up her income. She only looked at cash income, I included rent subsidies, food stamps, free meals in school for her kids, free medical care etc. Her kids even made out tremendously at Christmas with free clothes and toys from a number of different charities.
It was far more than I made from my Army retirement and VA stipend for collage.


16 posted on 11/17/2011 4:20:19 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
There are food stamps, which also can be sold in parking lots for cash

I understand that, "where there's a will, there's a way" but with E.B.T., how do they do it?

17 posted on 11/17/2011 4:24:35 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

> welfare today=communism
Actually “welfare today” is the leftover (and very bloated) remnants of the Freedmen’s Bureau that was established at the end of the Civil War. Freed slaves began migrating North by the thousands and didn’t have jobs, housing or any means of feeding themselves. The Freedmen’s Bureau was established to serve the needs of these recently freed people. When the federal government closed the Freedmen’s Bureau in 1871, the states took over the welfare tasks and have been at it and expanding it ever since.


18 posted on 11/17/2011 4:24:47 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: hans56

Good God! EBT


19 posted on 11/17/2011 4:26:42 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I guess I'm just mean-spirited and hateful to think these poor disenfranchised people are not victims of injustice by rich people
20 posted on 11/17/2011 4:27:42 AM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Here's one for you: WIC recipients’ bottom line income threshold is 40K.

I don't make that much myself. I never regarded 40K as anything like a hardship level of income.

Also, these people never see a doctor's bill. I described this before:

My brother and his wife owned a collection agency, years ago. He said 80% of the accounts were for the local emergency room facility. Most of this hospital outstanding money was for treatment of indigent and other people who could not/would not pay.

He said most of the people were eligible for government assistance and were either too lazy or too stupid to apply for benefits.... they just went into the emergency room for treatment and walked away. PERIOD The ER was their family doctor.

So, the hospital paid the agency to collect the accounts and received pennies on the dollar for the debt. Paying patients at the hospital absorb the cost of the collection service and also have their own cost padded to cover what the hospital cannot collect from everyone else.

There you are:

1. You pay your OWN insurance premiums
2. You pay taxes so indigent and others can have treatment for free
3. You pay for office visits to your own doctor
4. You pay deductibles on your OWN policy
5. You pay extra at the hospital so they can cover treatment for people who won’t access benefits you have ALREADY BEEN TAXED to provide for the indigent and others too lazy to apply for them

You already paid F I V E times and the doctor hasn’t touched you yet…ain’t it grand!!??

And every single election these f&^%ing Liberal morons come out and say that Conservative Americans (read: taxpayers) are greedy and lack compassion because they oppose more and greater entitlements for all the losers in this country who WILL never pull their own weight!!! Angry yet???

21 posted on 11/17/2011 4:30:06 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: GatorGirl

They already consider themselves lucky when a child is diagnosed with some kind of disorder.

I’m waiting for the day when they start maiming their children so they can collect bennies for them as “handicapped.” This is something gypsies do in Eastern Europe. They will break a child’s back or his (or more often, her) limbs so that they can put the child on the street with a can and people will give because they feel sorry for the child.

People who want to live by begging are willing to do anything to anyone in order to keep the free money flowing.


22 posted on 11/17/2011 4:31:27 AM PST by livius
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To: Jonty30
It is in a social worker’s best interest to keep welfare recipients dependent.

Ansolutely correct. In the mid 60's I worked as a caseworker for Public Assistance. It became apparent that the policies and regulations made it impossible for a recipient to get off the dole and become independent.

The system created dependence and sustained it. It did one more thing. It required illegal activity in that it was insufficient to get by on it alone and any activity resulting in additional income was expressly prohibited.

I wrote in my letter of resignation, "The Welfare system creates and sustains dependence. It prevents as a matter of policy recipients from becoming independent."

23 posted on 11/17/2011 4:34:05 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Government must be taken back from the thieves who have stolen it.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Why did this fellow (writer) who has a job move to the “inner city?”


24 posted on 11/17/2011 4:34:53 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Graybeard58
” but with E.B.T., how do they do it?”

Buy expensive things that can be easily resold at a discount for cash.

25 posted on 11/17/2011 4:36:01 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Graybeard58

See 9 plus some of them have more than one identity. We had a couple of fraudsters here in WI who were pulling down incomes in the high 6 figures as childcare providers. They were on record as working for each otherwhen they weren’t. The centers received subsidies/tuition for children who were not enrolled, etc..


26 posted on 11/17/2011 4:37:11 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
My social worker friend visits several severely mentally handicapped persons who work menial jobs rather than accept government largess. They take pride in going to work every day

My friend Larry is such a person. He's 48 years old and has worked for Wal-Mart for 25 years, mainly as a cart pusher. He has Down's Syndrome. He does get support from social services however, they have someone helping him manage his money. Due to his longevity at W-M, his pay is about $16. per hour. He shares an apartment with another Down's Syndrome person and social services people pay their bills...out of their own money.

When Larry takes a vacation, that his employer forces him to take, he hangs around the store and his supervisor has to keep him from working voluntarily. He says that W-M people are his "family"

What a contrast to all the fakers out there on the tax payer's dime.

27 posted on 11/17/2011 4:39:55 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

My wife and I are close to a dear couple (now in their late -70s) who just confided in me that they qualify for food stamps.

They both worked productive careers, but their downhill roll started 12 years ago when their youngest son was diagnosed with terminal cancer. They had moved “up north” a year earlier. In a flash, they sold their home (at a huge loss) and returned to care-take their son in his last months.

I asked: “So why don’t you go down and apply?” Their answer: “We’d sooner drive our car into a canal than suffer the shame of asking for a handout.” I know they’re serious.

This Saturday, my group is volunteering at a giant pre-Thanksgiving “turkey and all the fixin’s” giveaway. Having volunteered after hurricane Andrew, I know who I’ll see there.

I pray to the Lord that some of the stuff actually gets to someone who is needy.


28 posted on 11/17/2011 4:43:19 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Graybeard58
Ever wonder why there seems to be an epidemic of ADD and other, so called, childhood diseases?

It is because the schools get a ton more cash for each one, and the parents get a gov check for them. The schools even have names of doctors to sent them to that will confirm whatever is required.

29 posted on 11/17/2011 4:51:20 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: El Laton Caliente
You are forgetting the "Obama Phone" as they call it.

30 posted on 11/17/2011 5:06:51 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: livius
They don't have to do that. As a teacher I have witnessed delighted parents having their children classified as disabled because they did not learn to read by age 17. Not incapable of - just failed to - learn to read.

Often the schools are complicit in the fraud.

31 posted on 11/17/2011 5:14:24 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Can we send a drone after a hostile leader on foreign soil - even if he is ours?)
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To: Beagle8U

In Texas you can only buy food with your EBT card.


32 posted on 11/17/2011 5:16:45 AM PST by gopheraj
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To: afraidfortherepublic

AH, come on, these people have to wipe their own butts. All because the 1% aren’t paying their fair share.


33 posted on 11/17/2011 5:17:35 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: Graybeard58

Someone explained this ro me just last evening. Say someone gets $600 food stamps on an EBT. They sell $50 FS for $25 cash...$100 FS for $50. All they need to do is loan the card and give the pin number. No one checks for signatures if you have the right pin. In and out. So someone gets an extra $25 free food for their $25. And the recipient gets cash for whatever. No skin off their nose because the FS were free.
So if you sell $400 of your $600 it’s $200 cash. Very lucrative. That is the minimum. Some places they sell for more.


34 posted on 11/17/2011 5:19:45 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

BOHICA - “Kinder and Gentler” edition.


35 posted on 11/17/2011 5:19:50 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: doodad

Selling dope part-time, burglarising homes,prostitution,all of these are good ways to make a few extra bucks on the side.


36 posted on 11/17/2011 5:19:50 AM PST by Venturer
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To: BuffaloJack
It was redistribution and it was co-opted... is is 100% pure marxism today... but you are absolutely correct.

LLS

37 posted on 11/17/2011 5:20:13 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: gopheraj

Steak and lobster is easy to sell.


38 posted on 11/17/2011 5:24:09 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: hans56
Sort of like this angry DC pigeon - who's been render too fat and lazy to fly:


Where's muh EBT Pie?

39 posted on 11/17/2011 5:29:13 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Fifty one Percent.

“Warning - the option to override self-destruct has now expired”


40 posted on 11/17/2011 5:31:17 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Their churches (not all churches) tell them how to game the system.


41 posted on 11/17/2011 5:35:42 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Aevery_Freeman

I think the schools also get more money if the kids are labeled “disabled,” don’t they?


42 posted on 11/17/2011 5:40:29 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

Of course, it is a win for the entire teat-sucker class (student, parents, teachers, social workers, politicians) and the local drug dealers.


43 posted on 11/17/2011 5:46:41 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Can we send a drone after a hostile leader on foreign soil - even if he is ours?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

And if you actually do get out and work, they reduce the “benefits”. So there’s no incentive at all for any of the teat-suckers to actually get out and make anything of themselves.

Just one scam after another. I’ve got people like this in my family and it makes me want to puke. Trying to rationalize with them is a giant waste of time...they’ve been taught somewhere along the line that they’re entitled to this, and nothings going to change their minds.

Why work, when it all can get handed to you. Generation after generation of people being raised this way. It’s sick.

When things finally fall apart and society collapses, they’ll be the most dangerous ones. The Katrina riots were nothing...lol


44 posted on 11/17/2011 5:58:14 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: R. Scott
"She only looked at cash income, I included rent subsidies, food stamps, free meals in school for her kids, free medical care etc. Her kids even made out tremendously at Christmas with free clothes and toys from a number of different charities."

Ok...this is what gets me...these people receive food stamps...their children receive free breakfast and lunch in school...and some are now wanting supper too...if that's the case, what in the hell do they need food stamps for??...must be too damn lazy to get out of bed in the morning to make sure their kids eat breakfast and to pack them a lunch (with food bought using food stamps)...

45 posted on 11/17/2011 6:09:35 AM PST by ~Vor~ (A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.)
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To: Beagle8U

I guess that’s so. :)


46 posted on 11/17/2011 6:11:25 AM PST by gopheraj
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To: afraidfortherepublic

In the 90’s I worked on a bunch of schools in NYC. These were brand new. Each school had a separate wing about one third of the school devoted to “special needs”. The parents would instruct their kids to act up at school so they could get Social Security money in addition to welfare, food stamps, housing assistance and the rest. There is no requirement that your kid gets treatment, just extra money. The street name for this rip-off is “crazy money”.


47 posted on 11/17/2011 6:12:41 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Buying votes.


48 posted on 11/17/2011 6:35:54 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Section 8 housing, free heating oil,Food debit cards,crazy checks, live in boyfriend, four welfare kids, state aid, town aid, church aid, plus living close enough to another State so she can get on their Aid program [dropped her latest bastard in an out of state hospital even though their were two Hospitals within twenty minutes of her home] Guess why! This was a tenant living in my Brothers house a couple of years back. I got a real awakening about the welfare system after dealing with that Ho. From now on charity stays at home!


49 posted on 11/17/2011 6:56:36 AM PST by ABN 505
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To: QBFimi
I asked: “So why don’t you go down and apply?” Their answer: “We’d sooner drive our car into a canal than suffer the shame of asking for a handout.” I know they’re serious.

My answer to them: You were productive citizens all of your life, and had bad circumstances forced upon you. You earned the help available to you. Please take it!

50 posted on 11/17/2011 7:17:25 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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