Skip to comments.If Halifax NC Students Skip School, Parents Could Face Jail
Posted on 11/17/2011 6:48:42 AM PST by wintertime
Chief District Court Judge Brenda Branch has ruled that Halifax County (NC) parents are going to be held accountable for their childrens school attendance and that could mean jail if they are not deemed to have made an effort to promote school attendance, writes the Daily Herald.
The proposal is a collaborative effort between the Halifax County court system, three public school systems and county agencies that are looking to address truancy issues for students in the district.
It was announced this week at the Halifax County Community Child Protection Team meeting. Branch, along with District Attorney Melissa Pelfrey delivered the message as many heavy hitters in the Halifax County law and public education fields rallied behind the proposal.
There was much confusion around whos responsibility it was to handle truancy that some children were missing from 40 to 80 days from school without suffering any consequences, said Arnethia Nicholson, chair of the team and Halifax County Department of Social Services employee.
The combined efforts of the school systems, Halifax County court system, Department of Juvenile Justice, Department of Social Services and The Community Child Protection Team resulted in the Tri-District Truancy Procedure, which could ultimately land a parent in front of a judge.
Behind every government K-12 school principal and teacher stand armed police, courts, and threats of prison, to force the use of the socialist single-payer schooling service and to force its funding.
I've been hammered by some here on Free Republic for using the words "all" and "every". So?....If anyone knows of a government owned and run K-12 socialist school district where the above paragraph does not apply, please send a link. Hey! It is possible that I am wrong.
Every day they skip is federal $$$$$s that don’t go into the pockets of the teachers unions.
Halifax County Community Child Protection Team”
Awesome...we need one of these in every county in the world! WHY AREN’T WE PROTECTING THE CHILDREN??!
They better not TOUCH Halifax County homeschoolers. In North Carolina, we have a separate department for non-public education. The educrat gestapo has NO authority over them.
Ok...So?... The threat of armed police action, courts, and prison is enough to get these kids into their socialist K-12 indoctrination camp. Where is the evidence that they learn anything once there? Seriously,... this is a serious and real question. Where are the studies?
We spend, on average, more than $11,000 per year in operating costs per child ( the true cost is likely twice that) , and do we know if they learn anything when in these prison-like buildings? Where are the studies that separate out what is learned outside of the school as compared to what is learned inside the school? Gee! our “professional” educators should be able to immediately provide links to these studies. They're “professionals”, as they are constantly reminding us.
How much is due to afterschooling by parents, friends, and paid tutors? How much is to do the child himself simply opening his textbooks in the evening and reading them, viewing educational programs, visiting museums, and his own eclectic reading?
I started to think about this when visiting a relative a few years ago. They live in one of the highest performing districts in the nation. His daughter told me that her parents had sent her to a full summer of algebra tutoring **before** she took the class! Huh? So?...Who is high performing here? Is it the school, or the parents and the children themselves?
At least the schools are placing the blame for the kid's absence directly on the ones that are responsible...the parents. A first for sure. Too bad this wasn't done 20 years ago.
I mean, ask yourself...would you rather have the kid out doing drugs, breaking into houses, impregnating their girlfriends or watching Jerry Springer...or sitting in school?
Just abolish government schools and be done with it
“would you rather have the kid out doing drugs, breaking into houses, impregnating their girlfriends or watching Jerry Springer”
Leave out the breaking into houses part and you have described alot of schools. Replace Jerry Springer with some filthy movie that their “Language Arts” teacher shows them.
Public schools are a scourge on the American landscape.
I’ll go back to the main point of the article.
The parents are being held responsible for the children’s actions. Does this change what is happening in schools? No. But, it is the right first step. Changes to the schools could follow...depending on who gets elected. And, that’s up to us.
Face it...if the kid’s are not in school, there is NO opportunity to teach them anything.
So I ask the question again: Do you want the kids in school, or on the street?
What makes you think that attending school puts an end to these behaviors?
Why not ask that of the parents whose children are **forced** by the government to sit next to these children, and **forced** to assemble with these kids on a daily basis?
By the way, were you aware that “free assembly”” is a First Amendment human right? Being **forced** to assemble with these reprobates violates a fundamental human right.
If you are a “professional” educator where are the studies that prove that attendance in school reduces in any way “ doing drugs, breaking into houses, impregnating their girlfriends or watching Jerry Springer-like programs”? Links please.
See Reply #12
Why not ask that of the parents whose children are **forced** by the government to sit next to these children, and **forced** to assemble with these kids on a daily basis
I don't have to ask...we are "those" parents. Our kids attended public schools...and did well both academically or extra-curricular-wise. Our oldest graduated summa cum laude from a well known state college, now attends law school. Oh, and she just married a kid she met in the same high school...who graduated West Point last year, has completed Airborne and Ranger school. Our youngest is doing well at the same state college, will graduate next year in the medical field.
Public schools were not easy for them...there were rough times, but they survived. They're tough and they learned a lot about doing well in the "real" world.
By the way, were you aware that free assembly is a First Amendment human right? Being **forced** to assemble with these reprobates violates a fundamental human right.
As for your First Amendment interpretation...sounds like you need to hire an attorney to walk you thru that one...because that's too far out in left field to even discuss.
Well, compulsory attendance laws are unconstitutional so I am going to go with streets. And make parents and the kids responsible for what happens there.
There are anecdotes of awful outcomes to counter any good ones.
If I'm reading your moniker correctly...christianhomeschoolmommaof3...you chose to grab your kids, and you ran and hid in your own home.
Why? It would be a waste of time on you.
I like your line of reasoning.
You seem to have borrowed it from homosexuals. Eg, if you don’t like us you must be afraid of us and how great we are.
Why are you sitting in your house/office hiding from the ghetto right now? Shouldn’t you be down there showing everyone how brave you are?
Well you misread my moniker because no where in it does it say that I ran and hid in my home. I do teach my children at home. They also learn at homeschool co-op, church, sports (soccer and basketball), theatre, field trips. They work at the local food bank packing boxes and handing out food. They are currently helping with Samaritan’s Purse Operation Christmas Child and with the renovation of an old high school gym. They are working beside other children and adults to rebuild the gym for community use. In a couple of weeks they will be volunteering for Angel Tree Ministries to provide Christmas gifts to the needy in our town. They raise money on their own to support missionaries around the world. We are currently planning a mission’s trip to Russia with our entire family. My children are anything but ‘home’ oriented.
My husband is a youth pastor. We have had ample opportunity over the years to see what goes on in public schools. Some of it would make a sailor blush.
The graduation rate in our current town is about 50% and many that do graduate are illiterate. I have plans underway to start an adult literacy program. I need some funding and we are working on that.
Sometimes I wish I could hide at home.
Oh really? Citation please, or is that just your personal opinion?
When I enrolled my child in public school I voluntarily agreed to see to it she attended a certain number of days, much in the same way my parents did when they enrolled me in Catholic school, many moons ago.
Your choice of homeschooling shows your claim of unconstitutionality to be the fallacy it is.
Stop the attacks on homeschoolers. This is FR, not Democrap Underground.
christianhomeschoolmommaof3, I stand with you as a fellow homeschool parent.
Stop the attacks on homeschoolers. This is FR, not Democrap Underground.
christianhomeschoolmommaof3, I stand with you as a fellow homeschool parent.
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No....The reason we have never seen these studies is that they don't exist. “Professional” educators simply the assumption ( false or not) that spending $11,000 or more per kid per year works.
You are in no position to accuse me of attacking homeschooling.
Wintertime and I have disagreed on public school for years, however, I believe she will back me up that I have always been supportive of homeschooling, I just chose not to do so as it doesn’t work for my family.
I expect an apology for your out of line and uncalled for attack.
Shame on us for exercising our First Amendment rights.
I hope there's a shredder in your home-skool so you can teach your home-skool kids how to shred the Constitution.
“Your choice of homeschooling shows your claim of unconstitutionality to be the fallacy it is.”
In fact it is quite the opposite. I have the right as a parent to direct the upbringing and education of my children. The state has no right to compel me to put my children into public school (even though they will if I don’t provide instruction).
If you have voluntarily entered into an agreement to send your child to school for a certain amount of days, then that is your choice.
How does my choice to homeschool prove my assertion a fallacy? Just because something is law doesn’t make it constitutional(think abortion).
The Constitution protects us from the intrusion of government in our daily lives and clearly lays out the role of government. If you would care to show me where the Constitution ALLOWS government to FORCE parents to place their children in a institution I would be happy to reopen the debate. Obviously since, compulsory attendance is the “law of the land”, this would be considered my opinion. Just as I consider it a judges opinion that homosexual marriage and abortion are rights.
Sorry I meant to include this link. BTW, I am not saying that education is unconstitutional. I am saying that the state FORCING you to enroll your child in unconstitutional. Compulsory attendance is just that and now they are backing it up with the threat of jail. I am not sure why anyone would have an argument with that.
I was really just speaking tongue in cheek when I said I would rather them be on the streets. I would rather them be wherever their parents said they could be. If that is school then they should be in school. If that is working on the family farm then they should be on the family farm. I believe in parental rights and not compulsory attendance.
Once again, wintertime...go back and read my Comment #12.
My initial point was that parents are finally being held responsible for their kids being in school. I didn’t say, once there, the kids would be taught the way you, the unions, the teachers or your grandmother would prefer they be taught. However...
If you don’t like the schools...CHANGE THEM, either with your vote, or your participation in the school system.
Compulsory is not voluntary, except in the “1984” Big Brother world of compulsory, prison-like schooling. What is this an attempt at “New-Speak”?
Regarding the First Amendment and compulsory socialist K-12 schooling:
Why are socialist K-12 schools unconstitutional? Answer: Because of the plain meaning of the words of the First Amendment !
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Free assembly: Children can not freely assemble with the people of their parent's choice if they are **compelled** ( that means police threat) to be in their prison-like socialist school! Only in the Orwellian world of government schooling can Free Assembly be made to mean “Compelled” assembly.
Establishment of religion: It is impossible to have a religiously neutral school. At the moment the government schools establish the religion of godless secular humanism. It is NOT religiously neutral to force a child to think and reason godlessly any more than it is to force them to think in a God-centered manner.
Free exercise of religion: For most of their socialist school day, the children are under police threat not to speak, and their movements, and free assembly with others, are strictly controlled. Well! **That** puts a damper on free exercise of religion.
Free speech and press and definitely abridged in any socialist K-12 school.
The above can not be fixed because “free” can never mean “government compulsion”. Only in the world of “new-speak” can this be so. The only possible solution is to begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education.
You tell me. How can one make police, court, and prison compelled schooling into something ( anything!) that would be compatible with the plain meaning of the First Amendment?
You are contradicting yourself.
I voluntarily entered a contract with the local school district for my daughter to attend their school, I was not forced to do so. That you have chosen to homeschool your children and my parents chose to send me to Catholic school proves there is no force involved.
There are consequences to not abiding by a contract you freely entered into and you agree to them when you agree to the contract. I voluntarily enrolled my daughter in the local school and voluntarily agreed to the terms of that enrollment.
If you are arguing the federal government does not belong involved in K-12 education, then I am with you 1,000%. I was a senior in HS before the federal DOE came into existence. One of the major failures of the Reagan Administration was not fulfilling his campaign promise to get rid of it.
Thanks for the defense but I don’t feel attacked. Compulsory attendance is dangerous to homeschoolers as well as public schoolers. They keep lowering the age to begin and raising the age that they finish. Soon they are going to want them at 6 weeks old.
Shutter the schools, put the kids on the streets, don’t hold the parents responsible, and everything will be JUST FINE.
Better yet. The $11,000 that was mentioned earlier? Give it to the parents along with their newly found irresponsibility, and tell them they are now in charge of their kid’s education. (I’m pretty sure there’d be a run on the latest I-Phones and 60” plasma screen TV’s.)
I hope you’re prepared for the consequences...I know I am.
My dear - please tell me what is compulsory? I do not have to send my daughter to public school, it was a choice I made. The fact I have a choice belies the claim of compulsory.
Well, gee, I'd like to do that, but for some strange reason I have not been successful in changing my participation in the funding process for godless state indoctrination centers.
On second thought, I withdraw my suggestion that you get involved with your local school system.
I'm thinking you should stay as far away from public schools as possible.
I am not contradicting myself. The state can FORCE attendance if they want because of the compulsory attendance laws. I think this is a violation of the Constitution. If your daughter has reached the compulsory attendance laws you better have her in school somewhere (public, private, homeschool). Our compulsory age was 7 and now it is 5. My son wasn’t ready for school at 5. What if I hadn’t been able to homeschool him? I would have been forced to put him into school.
My homeschool is still under state compulsion. If I fail to meet state requirements, they will force my children into public school.
I admit my post 28 was confusing. The state should NOT have the ability to tell me what to do with my children but with compulsory education they do. I MUST start their education at 5 years old. I MUST continue it until they are 17. If they fail their standardized tests or fail to meet certain state requirements for two years, I MUST enroll them in public school. What if they fail in public school? Too bad I have no recourse to bring them back home.
If my son wants to finish his education early and start work as an apprentice at 16, he may not. If a father needs his son to stay home and work on the farm at 15, too bad, he must be in school. Don’t you think it is best to leave educational decisions to parents and not to the state?
Again it is compulsory because you MUST put her in school and it MUST be for a certain amount of time (5-17 or whatever your compulsory ages are). If you do not do this, you will be FORCED to by the truancy officers. Now you could face jail for it.
You do not have a choice in this.
How is the state forcing you or me to enroll our children?
That you are homeschooling proves their is no compulsory enrollment. My parents sent my brother and I to Catholic school. My friend down the road has her boys in a private academy in the next county. One of my daughter’s best friends attends a Christian school in another state (we live close to the state line, it’s not that far.) Another of her friends is homeschooled and also works on the family farm.
You have made a choice on how your children will be educated, as have I. That we have such a choice is proof there is no force.
Since you are taking the liberty of calling me your “dear”, may I call you “Honey bun”?
Please read the title of the thread. Parents are being threatened with police, court, and prison. If the parents were sufficiently resistant the police would kill them. That is the very definition of government “compulsion”.
Next,...Because the government is running a price-fixed monopoly cartel and has set their tuition at the under-market price of “tuition-free”, they have created a very hostile business climate for the creation of private alternatives. In my county, the price-fixing practices of compulsory government schooling have driven all private institutional alternatives out of business.
If the above, to you, is “choice”, then what would be your definition of compulsory? Does it come in a bottle labeled, “Drink me”?
Try putting down the remote, getting off your couch, taking a shower, shaving, brushing your teeth, pulling your hair back in a ponytail, putting on some clean clothes (no...not the vest that says FTW on the back), making an appointment at your local school and talk to the prinicpal about volunteering to read to the kids.
Oh, by the way, any luck getting that "neighborhood" school your neighborhood was asking for? I don't understand it...the public school system uses mobile homes for classrooms...one of those would fit right nice in your trailerpark.
Well....I suppose it is some form of “choice”. There is the choice of being under police threat to use the government schools, or being under police threat to ransom a child by paying jizya in the form of private tuition or homeschool expenses. Some “choice”!
But...As I pointed out private institutional schooling ( even if one is willing to pay the jizya or ransom) does not exist. The price-fixing practices of the the compulsory government education cartel has driven them out of business.
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The entire post was one huge strawman. What? Do you expect me to burn down a strawman argument of your creation?
Sitting here laughing and laughing! This is why I **love** Free Republic!
Okay, I will try this one more time.
We are compelled to enroll our children in school at 5. WE MUST DO IT BY FORCE OF LAW>
When my son turns 5 I MUST enroll him in a school. I do not have a choice in enrolling him in a school. I did have a choice in which school to enroll him. I chose homeschool.
I MUST keep him enrolled in school until he turns 17. I DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE IN THIS.
The state can COMPEL me to place him in PUBLIC school if I fail to meet THEIR requirements. I will not have a choice. If he gets below the 50th percentile on his standardized test for two years in a row, he will be forced to attend public school. What do they do with public schoolers that score below the 50th percentile? NOTHING. What do they do with MY son in PUBLIC school when he scores below the 5oth percentile? NOTHING. Do they let him return home? NO. If I do not inform the school that he will be homeschooling and provide a plan of instruction they will force me to put him in public school.
The state gives us a couple of choices with alot of strings attached and you think we are free to direct the upbringing and education of our children. Sad!!
I get it.
If this is **proof** that there is no force, then why is Halifax, NC, considering “jail” time? Let's see in the following paragraph people do not wind up in front of judges, in court, and in jail, without armed police being involved in some capacity ( directly or indirectly) .
Wow! You are a conservative? Really?
“Chief District Court Judge Brenda Branch has ruled that Halifax County (NC) parents are going to be held accountable for their childrens school attendance and that could mean jail if they are not deemed to have made an effort to promote school attendance, writes the Daily Herald.”