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Iowa Poll: Herman Cain 24; Ron Paul 20
Washington Examiner ^ | 111711 | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 11/17/2011 9:17:16 AM PST by Fred

According to a new Iowa State University Poll, Herman Cain is still in first place in Iowa, with Ron Paul coming in second.

Here is how it stacks up:

Cain: 24.5 Paul: 20.4

(Excerpt) Read more at campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2012; 999; 999plan; cain; caintrain; elections; frontrunner; gop; newt; paul; pork; ronpaul
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1 posted on 11/17/2011 9:17:20 AM PST by Fred
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To: Fred

I just can’t say how depressing I find that poll.


2 posted on 11/17/2011 9:21:30 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Fred

I can’t believe that Poll. I know the Ron Paul Kool Aid drinkers have a certain base, but I after all of Cain’s gaffes and missteps, to see him holding at that number is ridiculous.


3 posted on 11/17/2011 9:24:02 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: jessduntno

If Paul can help to push Romney further back into the pack, we’re all better off.


4 posted on 11/17/2011 9:24:46 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: jessduntno

I can say how exciting I find that poll, Paul excepted.


5 posted on 11/17/2011 9:25:35 AM PST by Rennes Templar (Cain Train is rollin'!)
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To: Fred

What kills me is the way Ron Paul skates on his little guy facade but has an enormous footprint among big money donors. Granted they aren’t giving him big money but the number of union and corporate recipient listings he shows up on as a top recipient is a little hard to miss.

Its almost as if traditional democrat donors keep him going just to keep him in the race.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

Click on a name then click on a recipients tab and then click on republicans.


6 posted on 11/17/2011 9:26:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
after all of Cain’s gaffes and missteps, to see him holding at that number is ridiculous.

I guess the campaign against him, by both Democrats and Republicans, just wasn't as effective as some people hoped.

7 posted on 11/17/2011 9:26:30 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
after all of Cain’s gaffes and missteps, to see him holding at that number is ridiculous

Maybe voters aren't so concerned about gaffes and missteps during a campaign and actually are thinking about the bigger issues of what someone stands for and how someone would govern, solve problems, etc.
8 posted on 11/17/2011 9:27:10 AM PST by TheCornerOffice
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To: Fred

Did they make that poll in-campus?


9 posted on 11/17/2011 9:27:37 AM PST by Moose Burger
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To: Fred

??

was this an online poll or something?? a straw poll??


10 posted on 11/17/2011 9:28:09 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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ronPaul is now officially in the ‘Menace’ category.


11 posted on 11/17/2011 9:29:18 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: GeronL

ya want me to come on over and read it to you??? clicking on the link too complex for you???


12 posted on 11/17/2011 9:29:39 AM PST by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: Prokopton

I do not hiunk the sex allegations had much if any merit, but watching Cain perform in front of the press, in interviews and in the debates, I have concluded he just isn’t rwady for “prime time”. Compare his perfomances with Newt’s and it is almost like a high school debater up against a champion Mensa debater. Cain will not be the GOP nominee, but if anyone wants to waste their voite on him that’s their right.


13 posted on 11/17/2011 9:32:06 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Fred

Why yes, yes it is.

Ron Paul at 20% is probably a sign of the end times.

:p


14 posted on 11/17/2011 9:33:28 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: TheCornerOffice

Herman Cain has a stellar record in business as an executive and better yet doesn’t appear to be for sale to the highest bidder.


15 posted on 11/17/2011 9:33:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: GeronL

This is funny. The poll states that only 30% of those polled plan on voting. It had 979 registered republicans and 277 independents.


16 posted on 11/17/2011 9:33:40 AM PST by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: Fred

Iowa, the outlier state. Any poll taken in Ioway is by definition an outlier.


17 posted on 11/17/2011 9:35:28 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: jessduntno

Don’t be depressed. There is a Fox News poll that has Newt first.

None of these polls show anyone pulling far ahead. 20 or so % hardly shows a clear leader, despite how the media might spin these polls. At this point, the race is still up for grabs.


18 posted on 11/17/2011 9:38:59 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: cripplecreek

Sold to the highest bidder???

Unlike the staffers from the other campaigns posting here???


19 posted on 11/17/2011 9:39:12 AM PST by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: Fred

Here’s a hint, any “poll” that shows Ron Paul near or at the top is obvious a poll that can be manipulated, which is what Ron Paul drones do best, when they are not trashing America.


20 posted on 11/17/2011 9:40:09 AM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Fred

choo choo!

Get on the Cain Train!

choo choo!

Go Cain!


21 posted on 11/17/2011 9:40:13 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: jessduntno

I am voting Ron Paul. He is the only one without the baggage or taint of flip flops, scandal, gaffes, etc that can swing the pendulem in enough of a direction to get us to even keel.


22 posted on 11/17/2011 9:40:23 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

The media talked incessantly about Reagan’s bloopers in 1980.

The people saw past that.

Not saying Cain compares to Reagan, but I am saying that there are people who look past the spin.

No one expects Cain to be an expert in foreign policy. Many people want an outside the beltway leader, proven problem solver, who is committed to cutting government, getting back to Constitutional principles.


23 posted on 11/17/2011 9:40:29 AM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Lady Lucky

Weren’t you assigned to dig into Cain’s trash cans to get dirt on him? Get back to work...


24 posted on 11/17/2011 9:41:17 AM PST by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

LOL! You are just sore that Paul came out with over twice as many votes as Perry did. Cain is completely gaffeless! He just is not an endless babbler like Newt is. But be thankful for small favors, Perry beat Newt!


25 posted on 11/17/2011 9:42:03 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

..or a sane foreign policy...


26 posted on 11/17/2011 9:42:43 AM PST by ken5050 (Perry/Gingrich 2012!!)
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To: Lady Lucky

Cain is leading 16 states.

http://beta.hermancainexpress.com/activism/polling.aspx


27 posted on 11/17/2011 9:43:23 AM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: cripplecreek

...... “ Its almost as if traditional democrat donors keep him going just to keep him in the race. “ <<<<

The Marxists have by now empowered themselves with enough money to buy outcomes, while going through the motions as if a democracy still exists.


28 posted on 11/17/2011 9:45:39 AM PST by RitaOK (Rick has fallen, Cain has peaked. Romney or Newt?)
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To: fatnotlazy
Newt groupies are BigGovernment




If you're thinkin like me - Let's drain the swamp in D - C...Go Cain.
29 posted on 11/17/2011 9:48:40 AM PST by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: Fred
In examining qualifications for the American presidency at this critical juncture in America's history, we might consult an excerpted portion of the 1801 Inaugural Address of Thomas Jefferson for guidance on the seriousness of the undertaking:

(Excerpt) "Let us, then, with courage and confidence pursue our own Federal and Republican principles, our attachment to union and representative government. Kindly separated by nature and a wide ocean from the exterminating havoc of one quarter of the globe; too high-minded to endure the degradations of the others; possessing a chosen country, with room enough for our descendants to the thousandth and thousandth generation; entertaining a due sense of our equal right to the use of our own faculties, to the acquisitions of our own industry, to honor and confidence from our fellow-citizens, resulting not from birth, but from our actions and their sense of them; enlightened by a benign religion, professed, indeed, and practiced in various forms, yet all of them inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude, and the love of man; acknowledging and adoring an overruling Providence, which by all its dispensations proves that it delights in the happiness of man here and his greater happiness hereafter—with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.
"About to enter, fellow-citizens, on the exercise of duties which comprehend everything dear and valuable to you,
it is proper you should understand what I deem the essential principles of our Government, and consequently those which ought to shape its Administration. I will compress them within the narrowest compass they will bear, stating the general principle, but not all its limitations. Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none; the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against antirepublican tendencies; the preservation of the General Government in its whole constitutional vigor, as the sheet anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad; a jealous care of the right of election by the people—a mild and safe corrective of abuses which are lopped by the sword of revolution where peaceable remedies are unprovided; absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the majority, the vital principle of republics, from which is no appeal but to force, the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism; a well disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war, till regulars may relieve them; the supremacy of the civil over the military authority; economy in the public expense, that labor may be lightly burthened; the honest payment of our debts and sacred preservation of the public faith; encouragement of agriculture, and of commerce as its handmaid; the diffusion of information and arraignment of all abuses at the bar of the public reason; freedom of religion; freedom of the press, and freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus, and trial by juries impartially selected. These principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety."

Now, the question should be: which 2012 candidate's life and demonstrated achievements indicate a passion for liberty, along with a determination to inspire enough citizens to push their representatives in government to "retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety"

30 posted on 11/17/2011 9:49:12 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Fred

What the Left calls a Cain gaffe? When, for reasons of his own, Mr. Cain decides not to answer a question because he has already answered it so many times before: Unless a man is briefed daily, there is no way he can know the answer to that question. That’s not an excuse. That is the truth! But people are no longer taught how to think, so they simply don’t get it! Go Herman Cain! Congrats!


31 posted on 11/17/2011 9:53:59 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge.)
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To: Fred

Well, that’s interesting. Polls give folks like us something to talk about, but a lot can and will change before the first primary votes are cast. While “we” tend to follow the nuances and ups and downs, most folks (the VAST majority) do not, many voters are becoming independent, having grown frustrated with both major parties, and will vote for the person, not the party.

While we fuss away and pick at each others opinions, in the end only time will tell.


32 posted on 11/17/2011 9:57:26 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Paperdoll

I think we all really need to realize that what you see is what you get with Cain. He’s a solid businessman, and would likely do wonders for our economic problems. However, on foreign policy — he’s clueless.

Then again, if we continue to run up this debt, our “brilliant” foreign policies aren’t going to matter a hill of beans.


33 posted on 11/17/2011 9:59:29 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: ken5050

I dont agree with RP on everything, but compared to the other train wrecks, he is far better.


34 posted on 11/17/2011 10:13:35 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: fatnotlazy

Only poll that counts is the one on election day.


35 posted on 11/17/2011 10:17:34 AM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: LibsRJerks

We do not need more career politicians! They’ve brought us to where we are, and I, for one do not want to be where we are today. We need fresh air, integrity, and a man who can lead without being led himself! That’s Herman Cain.

No one who has not been president knows beans about foreign policy! People who question Mr. Cain’s ability have lost sight of the fact that he is a master at appointing the right people to help him. That’s been proven time and again in everything the man has undertaken!

How many other candidates can boast of the same?


36 posted on 11/17/2011 10:24:08 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: tflabo

I beg to differ with you. It is very important who we ultimately choose to represent us in the general election. He must come with all the attributes and ideas necessary to the people in order to win the White House. So again, that is why this process is so terribly important. The man with the most poll wins behind him attracts the funds by which he can continue after he wins the nomination.

Unfortunately, the Establishment differs with the people. They forced John McCain on us last time, a real loser. And they will do everything they can to do that again.

Don’t let them do it, FReeperes! Put in your time in working for Herman Cain with all your families and friends. We all have a dog in this fight! Now let’s do it!


37 posted on 11/17/2011 10:40:21 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Really? You really want to go with that argument? Let me guess, you are a Newt person. Well, your guy might debate like a master, but he is losing to the current high school debater. and, for such a smart guy, Newt has done and said some really dumb things. His campaign will implode.


38 posted on 11/17/2011 11:32:03 AM PST by chilepup
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To: fatnotlazy

The problem is that fox news is a national poll. State by state is where this will be won. It is where Cain is so strong.


39 posted on 11/17/2011 11:33:24 AM PST by chilepup
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To: Fred
Saw Ed Rollins interviewed on TV yesterday ...he picked Ron Paul as the eventual winner. Rollins feels Paul has the best team on the ground. That said, I am no great fan of Rollins and am glad that Herman is doing well there.

As others have said; no candidate needs to know all the minutiae of the myriad of subjects a President has to deal with; that's why the President has a staff, a Cabinet and a host of other Secretary's and advisers. I have sat thru literally hundreds of 4-Star level video teleconferences (Full Disclosure: Because of the type job I performed; not what my rank was ...I was a VERY small cog on a very small gear in a very large gear train) and if folks on FR think Flag Officers know everything about everything under their command they are badly deluded. That's why GO’s have staffs and subordinate Commanders; and why those Commanders have staffs and SME’s (subject matter experts). In terms of decision making, it all works to sort out what is most important and move those priority items up thru the chain of command; ultimately to where the final decisions are made. The bottom line is that the same process occurs for decisions that are ultimately made at the White House.

I want a person at the top who is honest, intelligent and has the character and drive to be a leader. I don't want another Beltway insider who will ultimately prostitute whatever values they espoused for power and political expediency

40 posted on 11/17/2011 11:38:27 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: Fred

How anyone could back that psychotic clown Ron Paul is beyond me.


41 posted on 11/17/2011 11:38:45 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: jessduntno

Rasmussen is the only poll in town and the standard for nearest accuracy. Cain is in a full swan dive. Newt is in full soar. Yes, it can change next week, but Ras will be there to reflect it. The rest are just conversation.


42 posted on 11/17/2011 11:40:07 AM PST by RitaOK (Rick has fallen, Cain has peaked. Romney or Newt?)
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To: justsaynomore

“No one expects Cain to be an expert in foreign policy.”

No, but he should fairly be expected to have a command of at least a few basic principles, around which to frame his responses to questions. A good media trainer, which I do NOT believe Cain currently has, would coach him to do just that. Here’s what I posted on another thread yesterday with a couple minor changes:


Cain’s main problem is messaging. He needs to make voters comfortable with the fact that, even though he’s not endowed with every detail of knowledge on international matters, he will ultimately make the right decisions. One tactic he could deploy right away is to make clear three main, broad, non-negotiable principles:

1. The U.S. shall — without exception — negotiate from a position of strength. We shall be respected by our friends and feared by our enemies.

2. America’s best interests around the globe will be at the forefront of ALL decision making.

3. The U.S. seeks peace in the Middle East, but we stand by our ally Israel.

Based on those three main principles, virtually any media lead question and follow-up can be answered clearly and succinctly. Reagan framed his responses in this manner. By doing the same, Cain could’ve avoided the trap he stepped in a few days ago during that interview in Milwaukee.

Here’s a scenario that could’ve transpired had he used the three-main-principle approach:

Q: “Mr. Cain, what is your position on our action in Libya?”

A: “Well, I believe BEFORE we and NATO entered that fray, we should’ve answered the all important question, ‘Is this good for us long-range?’ My point is that all military action, regardless of scope or size, must be measured against what the ramifications are to America’s national security. In this case, I don’t believe that was adequately done. In my administration, I can assure you that we will NOT risk the lives of America’s finest young men and women, nor will we expend our obviously limited resources, on foreign entanglements if the case can’t be made our national interests will otherwise suffer negative consequences.”

So..

Accomplished here are: 1) An answer to the question; 2) A restatement of the broad principle; and 3) An overview of what HIS approach would’ve been.

MOST important.. it eliminates having to “walk back” comments later to clarify his meaning.

It comes down to Media Training 101. We trained commanders at varied levels in the Air Force in this manner, and the resultant clarity of message paid dividends in credibility.


43 posted on 11/17/2011 11:59:43 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: Fred

I do not respond to Cainiac attack dogs, particularly when they have obviously not bothered to read my previous posts about Mr. Cain.
They do their candidate no credit.


44 posted on 11/17/2011 12:00:27 PM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: GlockThe Vote
And he's also the only candidate with an insane and dangerous foreign policy that will put America at further risk.

And for that reason, he doesn't have a shot at winning a sane election........

.......thankfully.

45 posted on 11/17/2011 12:00:54 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: ScottinVA

Well done! The circular firing squad won’t lke it, but that is a great positive suggestion.


46 posted on 11/17/2011 12:02:16 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Ozymandias Ghost
Saw Ed Rollins interviewed on TV yesterday ...he picked Ron Paul as the eventual winner.

The eventual winner in Iowa (bad enough), or overall (disastrous)?

47 posted on 11/17/2011 12:03:29 PM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks!!!

I’d love to get the opportunity to sit him down for three days and work with him.


48 posted on 11/17/2011 12:04:33 PM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: ScottinVA

Iowa ...sorry should have been more specific!


49 posted on 11/17/2011 12:09:20 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: Ozymandias Ghost

Thanks.. I don’t know much about the voters in Iowa, but I’d be seriously stunned if Paul won the caucuses.


50 posted on 11/17/2011 12:12:45 PM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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