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Starbucks in hot water with group of veterans
News Talk Radio KRMG, Tulsa/Barlesville, OK ^ | Nov 17, 2011 | April Hill

Posted on 11/17/2011 10:26:48 AM PST by HeadOn

This weekend will be quite the spectacle in Bartlesville.

A group of Oklahoma veterans plans to picket the Starbucks.

Tjuana Boulanger, says, "This is how we feel. We will not support Starbucks anymore in Bartlesville." Boulanger was at the coffee shop last Saturday when a manager kicked the veterans of the property and called police for trespassing.

The vets were on motorcycles to attend the funeral for Sgt. Chris Gailey. He was killed recently in Afghanistan.

Boulanger says, "At one point I looked over and I saw one of the workers out with an apron out in the parking lot screaming at somebody." [Boulanger] is one of the organizers asking everyone to boycott Starbucks on Friday.

They’ll picket outside the Bartlesville store on Saturday. The organizer says, "It wasn't just one they upset. Everybody down there was upset."

Starbucks did issue a statement apologizing for the manager's behavior right after the incident. Still, the protest seems to be spreading.


TOPICS: US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: military; starbucks; veterans
Not sure if this is an "offend me" idiot, or an "I'm in charge here" idiot. But an idiot, for sure.
1 posted on 11/17/2011 10:26:51 AM PST by HeadOn
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To: HeadOn

At the very least I’d like to hear the Starbucks’ manager’s version.


2 posted on 11/17/2011 10:30:28 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: HeadOn

occupy starbucks - NOT


3 posted on 11/17/2011 10:31:23 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: HeadOn

If I were the Starbucks manager, and I realized the veterans were gathering for a fallen serviceman, I would have given each one of them a free coffee and a public “thank you.”


4 posted on 11/17/2011 10:31:29 AM PST by 04-Bravo
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To: HeadOn

So what was the reason they got kicked out? There was surely a reason, good or bad. And it still mystifies me why folks would even go into a Starbucks in the first place.


5 posted on 11/17/2011 10:31:55 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: HeadOn

Why did he kick them off the property?


6 posted on 11/17/2011 10:32:09 AM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: HeadOn

Maybe he was offended by their being real men. :)


7 posted on 11/17/2011 10:33:06 AM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: arthurus

There are always two sides to a story, but isn’t Starbucks a coffee version of Ben and Jerry’s?


8 posted on 11/17/2011 10:33:52 AM PST by ZULU (Anybody but Romney or Huntsman)
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To: GOP Poet

Why did he kick them off the property?
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I bet they said the coffee tastes burnt and is way too expensive. Just guessing.


9 posted on 11/17/2011 10:34:55 AM PST by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: LouAvul

Yeah. It would be interesting to hear, but the author didn’t put it in there. If I had to guess, I’ll bet the Vets looked a little too rough for the patrons. Or maybe they were flying an American flag...


10 posted on 11/17/2011 10:48:06 AM PST by HeadOn (If you've never done anything wrong, run for office - the liberals will make up something for you.)
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To: HeadOn

I believe the Westboro Baptist Church nutjobs had set up a protest near the Starbucks. Naturally they’d attract counter-protesters.

I love the police reaction after they escorted the WBC away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGcCLdAwNlg


11 posted on 11/17/2011 10:48:28 AM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: 04-Bravo

Me too!


12 posted on 11/17/2011 10:48:40 AM PST by HeadOn (If you've never done anything wrong, run for office - the liberals will make up something for you.)
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To: lp boonie

Too expensive? $2 for a 20 ounce. Hum?


13 posted on 11/17/2011 10:50:29 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: USMCPOP

WOW!! Great link! Thank you.


14 posted on 11/17/2011 10:54:31 AM PST by HeadOn (If you've never done anything wrong, run for office - the liberals will make up something for you.)
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To: arthurus
Found this: Patriot Guard Riders say "we were not at Starbucks"

Looks like there were several groups of riders showing up to counter protest the Westboro loons and some of them were carrying vulgar signs and such and those were the ones the manager asked to leave.

Side note - This bit from the first comment on the article would seem to back up the part about the vulgar signs: "....I was in the middle of those groups and they did nothing wrong and was there to support the troops..just because they had things on their signs that others do not have the balls to put does not mean they are or were in the wrong..."

15 posted on 11/17/2011 11:02:52 AM PST by Reese Hamm
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To: Reese Hamm

Thanks, Reese. I guess KRMG (and I) could have done a little more research...

Still, I have approached people who seemed scary, and offered my hand, and asked politely for them to move (they were in front of us at a concert), and had no trouble. I think the screaming Starbuck’s employee is what caused the problem.


16 posted on 11/17/2011 11:10:41 AM PST by HeadOn (If you've never done anything wrong, run for office - the liberals will make up something for you.)
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To: USMCPOP
I believe the Westboro Baptist Church nutjobs had set up a protest near the Starbucks.

Six Westboro Baptist nutjobs had set up a protest catacorner from Starbucks at Frank Phillips and Washington Blvds. They had a permit, but following Oklahoma law, the permit positioned them a long way (about a mile) from the funeral route.

Bartlesville is a pretty patriotic town, and an early estimate said that about a thousand Bartians came out to counterprotest the Westboro protesters. Some of them accumulated in the Starbucks parking lot including some motorcyclists.

Don't know what set the Starbucks manager off, but Starbucks issued an apology.

The chief of police was just trying to keep from getting anyone hurt.

17 posted on 11/17/2011 11:13:16 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Reese Hamm

Last paragraph of the article you linked:

“Starbucks released a statement saying “We apologize for the misunderstanding at our Bartlesville store. Our store partners (employees) In no way meant to dishonor or disrespect members of the military or their families. We are sorry for the loss of Sgt. Christopher Gailey and send our condolences to his family. To express our gratitude to those in the Bartlesville community who serve and have served in our armed forces, we welcome any of our troops or veterans to our Bartlesville store to enjoy a cup of coffee on us.”


18 posted on 11/17/2011 11:15:44 AM PST by HeadOn (If you've never done anything wrong, run for office - the liberals will make up something for you.)
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To: lp boonie

“I bet they said the coffee tastes burnt and is way too expensive. Just guessing.”

Wow, I thought I was the only one! SB is the WORST coffee...


19 posted on 11/17/2011 11:23:02 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: HeadOn
Yep, corporate trying to cover their tush.

I personally would I just asked them to put the signs away or something, especially if there were kids around. Otherwise, as mentioned upthread, I would have offered them a coffee.

Then again, there are other reasons to avoid Starbucks other than their lousy, overpriced coffee: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2807012/posts

20 posted on 11/17/2011 11:23:53 AM PST by Reese Hamm
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To: HeadOn

Not sure if this is an "offend me" idiot, or an "I'm in charge here" idiot. But an idiot, for sure.

My father served in World War II (USAAC). He remained an active advocate for veterans from the time of his discharge through his recent death ... devoting thousands of hours to their cause. Much of his service came through his active membership in both the American Legion and the VFW.

At the conclusion of his funeral, as I left the church, I was greeted by these motorcycle hoodlums. Since we lived not too far from Bartlesville, it is likely some were from the same group that offended the Starbucks idiot manager.

The monsters had turned up without any prior notice to the family. We were completely surprised! They lined the path from the front door of the church to the hearse. An honor guard. Standing silently. At attention. Several dozen U.S. flags flowing softly in the breeze.

As the eldest son, I was so overwhelmed that I had to personally greet the beasts. In tears, I shook every man's hand and thanked him for honoring my father. It was the kindest gesture paid to him ... out of many. Dad would have been (was) so proud!

I wish I could be there this weekend ... although the way I feel at the present time ... it's a damn good thing for Starbucks that I can't make it. And I don't think I will ever again be able to stomach another cup of their overpriced swill.

21 posted on 11/17/2011 11:24:49 AM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: USMCPOP
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22 posted on 11/17/2011 11:36:03 AM PST by SkyDancer ('If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate ")
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To: Reese Hamm

Mongols — those are genuine 1%ers. That might be who the Starbucks manager chased off, not realizing he was dealing with an outlaw gang! Good thing the manager didn’t end up with some fresh ventilation.


23 posted on 11/17/2011 11:42:51 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HeadOn

Starbucks attracts the most mainstream clientele on earth it’s not like we’re talking about some feminist co-op here


24 posted on 11/17/2011 11:43:02 AM PST by MattAMiller
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To: Salamander; All

patriot guard protest of westburros was unexpectedly joined by vulgar outlaw gang, which in turn p*ssed off a starbucks manager.

it sounds like a big misunderstanding on the part of the manager and there’s no need to crucify the manager or starbucks for this.


25 posted on 11/17/2011 11:48:36 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HeadOn
It was bad enough that Starbucks decided to appease the econuts that are probably a frightening large percentage of their customers by promoting the hoax-based AGW lie.
But to disrespect veterans is too much.

I'm hoping that they're have to reduce the price of their coffee to 25 cents just to stay in business. When they close, I a patriotic company that respects soldiers and believes in real science takes over.

26 posted on 11/17/2011 12:04:41 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: 04-Bravo
If I were the Starbucks manager, and I realized the veterans were gathering for a fallen serviceman, I would have given each one of them a free coffee and a public “thank you.”

Maybe he is an Obama supporter. That would explain alot.

27 posted on 11/17/2011 12:57:35 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Zakeet

God Bless you. You do know I was talking about the Starbucks manager, right?


28 posted on 11/17/2011 1:25:53 PM PST by HeadOn (If you've never done anything wrong, run for office - the liberals will make up something for you.)
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To: MattAMiller

Really? I think it must be different where you live. There are a lot of “better-than-you” Starbucks patrons around here...


29 posted on 11/17/2011 1:28:34 PM PST by HeadOn (If you've never done anything wrong, run for office - the liberals will make up something for you.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Don’t worry.

The Mongols are famous for forgiving and forgetting.

[the SB manager has a head start...I wholeheartedly suggest that he makes good use of it]


30 posted on 11/17/2011 2:04:09 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Sorry dude.

I’m siding with the bikers.

Always.


31 posted on 11/17/2011 2:05:23 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: HeadOn

I live in Hillbilly World yet somehow, the granola-crunching, Birkenstock wearing, tie-dyed hippie scum manage to congregate at the local SB to suck down the rank java and suck up the free WiFi.

Every SB must emit some kind of a Freak Beacon signal and only they can hear it.


32 posted on 11/17/2011 2:09:06 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: HeadOn
You do know I was talking about the Starbucks manager, right?

Of course. There would have been no doubt if it were otherwise.

33 posted on 11/17/2011 3:06:53 PM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
it sounds like a big misunderstanding on the part of the manager and there’s no need to crucify the manager or starbucks for this.

That's what it sounds like to me. I couldn't even tell from the article if they were patronizing the Starbucks or just "borrowing" the parking lot. Probably looked like a bunch of scum to him.

Even people we consider "in the right" get offended too easily these days. A boycott is dumb.

34 posted on 11/17/2011 4:16:17 PM PST by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: HeadOn
I rather doubt that's the whole story. It's Bartlesville, OK. That's just north of Tulsa. I'm in Tulsa. It's a pretty patriotic area.

I'd still like to hear the rest of the story.

35 posted on 11/17/2011 4:52:42 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: Salamander

i think there’s a time and place for even outlaw bikers to mind their manners. this would be one of them.


36 posted on 11/17/2011 8:45:42 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: PATRIOT1876

if starbucks really thinks that conventional utilities cause the globe to harmfully warm, then it ought to be installing e-cats or windmills or sumfin at all of its locations to brew the coffee, light the facility, and keep it heated or air conditioned. until then they’re hypocrites.


37 posted on 11/17/2011 8:49:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Side note - This bit from the first comment on the article would seem to back up the part about the vulgar signs: “....I was in the middle of those groups and they did nothing wrong and was there to support the troops..just because they had things on their signs that others do not have the balls to put does not mean they are or were in the wrong...”


I’ll take ‘balls’ over manners any day.

I really, REALLY hate “PC”.

This country is where it is due to a lack of “balls”.

I stand with the bikers.


38 posted on 11/18/2011 4:10:48 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: Salamander

Well if it should come to a constitutional staredown, the 1st amendment lets you say as filthy things as you wish to the Westburros, but it doesn’t let you use any person’s property for that purpose if they do not consent to it. That may be for any reason they wish, whether it’s because they love the Westburros, or because they want to dampen down any possible riot, or because they flipped a coin that morning and it came up heads. The constitution does not care why when stopping at that point. And a stand “with the bikers” (rather than “with the veterans”) sounds particularly odd; what if it wasn’t Westburros they were cursing about? What if it were upset stomachs after having too much Bud Light? Should there be a “biker amendment” in the Constitution that says bikers may swear on anybody’s property?


39 posted on 11/18/2011 1:08:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

From what I’ve read in several biker forum posts by people who were actually there, the ‘vulgar’ clubs were there to support the vet being buried.

The WBC went over the top [what a surprise] and the 1%ers didn’t back down.

One of the PGR chapter heads said that they had a goodly number of ‘outlaw bikers’ amongst their ranks who rode faithfully for fallen vets.

Maybe they got fed up with seeing signs saying the dead soldiers deserved to die and were going to hell.

It wouldn’t take seeing much of that to make me get “vulgar”.

Don’t be too surprised if Phelps thinks he’s found himself another group to harass into giving him more lawsuit fodder by provoking them to rash actions.

It’s what he does.


40 posted on 11/18/2011 2:07:11 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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The WBC went over the top

Under the bottom would be a better way to put it, really. I loathe these self righteous, non-useful (they never show up at any gay pride event) gratuitously irritating gnats on a mission from self, not from God. But if a Starbucks didn't want cussing on its property while the face-off was taking place, then myself I think it's a mite over the top to refuse to accommodate Starbucks' wish. The bikers ought to have simply said "excuse us sir" and moved to some other spot. Too often, the biker statement, 1%ers especially, seems to be that "meanness is God" and this is a tragic state of affairs all around.

41 posted on 11/18/2011 4:02:54 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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