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Mike McQueary poster child for moral relativism?
Bookwormroom.com ^ | Nov 17 2011 | Bookworm

Posted on 11/17/2011 12:00:46 PM PST by servo1969

I had in my car two fourteen year olds and one thirteen year old. All were familiar with the Sandusky case, so I wasn’t exposing them to sordid information they didn’t already know. None of them, however, knew about Mike McQueary’s involvement, or lack thereof. I gave them a simple multiple choice question:

You walk into a room and see a 50 year old man raping a 10 year old boy. Do you (a) attack the man and try to drag him off the boy or (b) sneak away and, hours later, ask your parents what you should do?

The roar from the back of the car shook the windows: “I’d rip him apart!” “Of course I’d attack him!” “I’d kick him the balls!” “That’s a really dumb question.”

As the response from these very young people demonstrates, McQueary’s young age (28) is no defense to his action. Young people can and do know right from wrong, and child rape is wrong.

How to explain McQueary then? I think the problem isn’t his young age, ’cause he, at 28, was no youngster. The problem was his old age. He’d been around long enough to be fully indoctrinated. All those liberal pundits who are apologizing for McQueary’s behavior by pointing to his youth, his tribal loyalties, and his lukewarm, delayed response are hiding the ball. For liberals, the uncomfortable truth is that McQueary probably didn’t act because, after a lifetime in America’s public education system, his moral relativism training had completely erased any absolute moral standards that might once have populated his pre-academic brain.

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"I was starting to compose a post on just that point, when jj saved me the effort. Let me quote here his astute comment, written in response to an earlier statement I’d made about the law’s “reasonable man” standard for reacting to a situation:

"The “reasonable man” standard? The trouble with that particular fairy-tale is simple, obvious, and the same as it’s always been: who gets to define “reasonable?”

I’m afraid I’ll need to take a little issue with that. Since the discovery of political correctness — which in my life first reared its head in the 1950s — the law not only expects us to conform to entirely unreasonable behavior, it requires us to, all day every day.

If you’re a rancher within reach of the Mexican border, you’re not allowed to defend your property or, come to that, yourself. You can, however, be arrested for trying to do so. “Reasonable?” You not only can’t guard your property or yourself, you’re supposed to stand quietly by and watch your country be overrun, your way of life be buried and lost, and all that you believe defecated on. “Reasonable?”

Snookie, or Pookie, or Moochie — or whatever the hell his name was — Williams was a murderer and founder of a collection of organized offal who have spread everywhere, cost society millions, and murdered a good many people. Flushing him should have been a routine, reflexive act requiring no thought whatever, carried out with the same alacrity you’d flush anything else floating in the toilet. Of course it wasn’t. We — or I should properly say “you,” California — went into full coronary angst mode to spare his worthless life. This was “reasonable?”

In Scotland not long ago the cops pulled over a speeding car. The driver’s defense was that he was a Muslim, running late getting from wife #1 to wife #2. The bewigged and ball gown-equipped jackass on the bench (and if he was a High Court jackass, he gets to wear a red ball-gown, woo-woo!) decided that this made it an excusable offense and dismissed him without a stain on his character, or even a speeding ticket — thereby putting paid to a thousand years of Anglo-Scottish law and custom. “Reasonable?” Even for a judge?

We are wound about with laws and enmeshed in requirements that are antithetical to our customs, beliefs, way of life, and the way this country was set up to be that I’m afraid I have to find the “reasonable man” standard laughable. We have our own ball-gowned jackasses making it up as they go along, and referencing Bulgarian law, or Ukrainian law, or maybe Martian law to decide what our Constitution means when it suits them — Ginsberg outstandingly — and this is “reasonable?”

Instead of shunning NAMBLA spokesmen and placing them firmly beyond society’s pale, we invite their opinions on Oprah — because after all, don’t they have a right to be heard? Dr. Phil engages them earnestly for his (large) audience of the brain-damaged, and sadly regrets that while he cannot agree, he does understand. “Reasonable?”

So here we are, scrupulously multicultural, transnational, non-judgmental, standing for nothing — and everybody’s shocked when this McQueary kid doesn’t know what the hell to do when confronted by the situation that confronted him. Everybody here turns into a militant ass-kicker, in no doubt of what we all would have done in the same situation. (And if we’d done it, Sandusky would have lodged a suit for assault against us, and, win or lose, would have f***ed up our lives forever.) “Reasonable?”

We won’t — and don’t — defend our culture and way of life. We won’t — and don’t — defend the fundamental bases on which this nation was founded. You’re surprised McQueary found himself paralyzed? Why? I’m sure he had a nice, politically-correct upbringing — I’m surprised he even reported it. Who the hell knows what constitutes “reasonable” any more?""

1 posted on 11/17/2011 12:00:50 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

McQuery could be making the incident up. He has changed his story and he has something to gain. Doesn’t mean Sandusky isn’t guilty of something, maybe just not this one thing.


2 posted on 11/17/2011 12:05:54 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: servo1969
I think the answer is a lot simpler than moral relativism. At the time, McQ was a graduate assistant, not one of the coaches. He was afraid if he blew the whistle on one of JoePa's favorites, he could kiss a career in coaching goodbye.
3 posted on 11/17/2011 12:08:52 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: servo1969

Did McQueary secretly enjoy the sight? This seems to go beyond “not wanting to get involved.” If he saw a sexual molestation in progress (we’re not talking about this ambiguous locker room towel snapping “horse play” that’s been so bantered about, but something unmistakable) then he would have to wonder about the welfare of the boy and the reputation of the school, even if he didn’t give a hoot about Sandusky.


4 posted on 11/17/2011 12:11:55 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: servo1969

McQuery has said from the beginning that when he saw them in the shower, both Sandusky and the victim saw him. I assumed that being discovered in the act caused the assault to cease. That is essentially what McQuery is clarifying with his most recent statement. He did not just flee the scene. The activity stopped and then he left.

As for telling the police, he did tell the school VP who is in charge of the campus police department. I’m not totally defending McQuery but neither do I believe he is changing his story.


5 posted on 11/17/2011 12:12:47 PM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: greatvikingone

Nope not buying it. This incident was in the evidence presented to the grand jury. Also, sandusky admitted on natl. Tv that he showered with boys in the penn st lockeroom. The guy failed to act to save his professional coching career. He could have saved countless boys from sexual abuse but instead tried to save his job.

He ended up losing the respect of a nation and has the rape of children on his soul. Jesus save me from making a mistake like this!


6 posted on 11/17/2011 12:13:36 PM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

Taking a shower in the presence of boys is not rape.


7 posted on 11/17/2011 12:15:56 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone

Of itself, no. Stuff that might be done along with the shower could be, some of which is not suitable to describe on this family friendly forum.


8 posted on 11/17/2011 12:18:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: greatvikingone

Word out today boys raped by Sandusky in the 70s and 80s are coming forward.

McQueery admitted on an online board about what he saw. That broke the case.


9 posted on 11/17/2011 12:20:26 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: colorado tanker
He was afraid if he blew the whistle on one of JoePa's favorites

Paterno and Sandusky were noted to have an icy relationship with each other.

Before this scandal came out, it was always thought that Paterno didn't like Sandusky getting much of the credit for the team being so consistently good.

Now, since the scandal came out, people are wondering if the real reason their relationship was strained was because JoePa knew about Sandusky abusing children.

10 posted on 11/17/2011 12:21:25 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: TigerClaws

If indeed McQueary got the ball rolling, then he does deserve some redemption.


11 posted on 11/17/2011 12:21:42 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: greatvikingone
I believe he testified at the grand jury....if he has lied, he's going to jail....

besided this story goes along with all the other reported "incidences"....

12 posted on 11/17/2011 12:24:03 PM PST by cherry
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To: SpringtoLiberty

Looks like there are still defenders out there.


13 posted on 11/17/2011 12:24:56 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: greatvikingone
Taking a shower in the presence of boys is not rape.

But it's the smoke of a raging fire.

14 posted on 11/17/2011 12:26:07 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: greatvikingone

If you are an adult male, try taking a shower with my ten-year old son and see what happens to you...


15 posted on 11/17/2011 12:26:46 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: colorado tanker

Just compare and contrast to what a lot of us were doing in the military before we were 28.

“I was just a youngster” ain’t gonna cut it, McQ.


16 posted on 11/17/2011 12:28:23 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: cherry

If he did lie or exaggerate it will make prosecution harder. If he isn’t lying he should also be prosecuted for failure to act.


17 posted on 11/17/2011 12:29:46 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: slumber1

So what happened to the ten year old boy after they were seen?

McQ left it to the rapist to clean up the scene and take the boy home?

This stinks beyond hell.


18 posted on 11/17/2011 12:29:48 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: WPaCon
Now, since the scandal came out, people are wondering if the real reason their relationship was strained was because JoePa knew about Sandusky abusing children.

If that's the case, just having one meeting with his AD about a single incident doesn't say much for Joe's character.

19 posted on 11/17/2011 12:29:57 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I don't pretend to understand men's sexual attitudes.....but I suspect some men relish conduct that other men get away with....

that's why rape is so frequently dismissed by many men....why sexual harrasment is dismissed..( I'm 100% for Hermain Cain)

I can imagine a scenario where sexual "horseplay" on sports teams is considered just "fun"...

so a great big guy is banging away at a little 10 yro?...was this like the lions and the gladiators at the Coliseum?...taking pleasure at the devastation?

I can tell you as a smaller statured woman in my upper 50's...if I happened to come across such a scene, there is no way I wouldn't be screaming at the top of my lungs and fighting this guy with all my power...

20 posted on 11/17/2011 12:30:23 PM PST by cherry
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To: greatvikingone
I don't think he changed his story because he made anything up about Sandusky. I think he changed his story because the first way he told it (most likely the truth) made him look like a moral and mental midget, and he didn't realize until after he had told his story exactly how much of a moral and mental midget it made him appear.

Plain and simple, he's (now) trying to cover his own ass, so to speak...

21 posted on 11/17/2011 12:31:06 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: WayneS

You got that right. Be looking for that perp in the Everglades. And won’t find him.


22 posted on 11/17/2011 12:31:15 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

McQueary faced one of those moments that defines character, which is am I going to do the right thing or the right thing for me. He came up short.


23 posted on 11/17/2011 12:32:21 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: dfwgator
there were accusations years before the rape that McQ supposedly testified too....Sandusky resigned afterwards...

the coverup started then....and according to reports, the ONLY reason McQ came forward was because there were postings somewhere on a blog and the cops tracked down McQ...

24 posted on 11/17/2011 12:32:38 PM PST by cherry
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To: WayneS

Definitely possible.


25 posted on 11/17/2011 12:32:45 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: WayneS

Umm... happens all the time at the local YMCA.


26 posted on 11/17/2011 12:33:07 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: WayneS
Plain and simple, he's (now) trying to cover his own ass, so to speak...

And it's hurting the prosecution's case. If he's the main witness, he's not helping his credibility.

27 posted on 11/17/2011 12:33:57 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: greatvikingone

Nice.

At least now I am no longer surprised at your defense of a child-rapist and his enablers.


28 posted on 11/17/2011 12:34:17 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Travis McGee
"what a lot of us were doing in the military before we were 28."

yeah...my dad was in the Navy at age 17 in WW2....back then we had boys that were MEN...

29 posted on 11/17/2011 12:34:42 PM PST by cherry
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To: dfwgator

Agreed.


30 posted on 11/17/2011 12:34:45 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: WayneS

Not defending anyone.


31 posted on 11/17/2011 12:35:46 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: colorado tanker

He also went to the supervisor of the campus police.

But, yes, if that was the reason for Paterno and Sandusky’s icy relationship, that does not reflect well on Paterno.


32 posted on 11/17/2011 12:35:53 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: colorado tanker

I wouldn’t expect him to run out under fire and grab a wounded comrade, that’s for sure.

Or dive into the river for the drowning kid.


33 posted on 11/17/2011 12:36:05 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: greatvikingone; WayneS
I am sorry about this post!!

I completely mis-read which of mine you were responding to.

34 posted on 11/17/2011 12:37:28 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: greatvikingone

Please see Post #34.

You have my sincere apologies.


35 posted on 11/17/2011 12:38:29 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: servo1969

I don’t think McQ saw anything close to rape, just a man and and a boy showering together. That is bad enough — no need for Bookworm to exaggerate what was seen.


36 posted on 11/17/2011 12:39:53 PM PST by expat2
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To: WayneS

“I am sorry about this post!!
I completely mis-read which of mine you were responding to.”

No worries, Mate. I didn’t help by not quoting.

My concern here is that McQueary could be hurting the case - - and I cannot find a positive thing to say about him whether he is lying or evolving his truth.


37 posted on 11/17/2011 12:40:42 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: Travis McGee

What makes this so puzzling is that he once broke up a knife fight between football players and his dad was also a special ops guy.


38 posted on 11/17/2011 12:41:39 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: servo1969
McQueary did not change his testimony.

WE do not know what his testimony was before the Grand Jury. The only thing that has been published is the grand jury SUMMARY. The fact that he was placed on leave and not fired outright is important. What he saw, and is willing to testify to is critical to the case. Until others start to come forward, which is what is happening now, he was/is their most important witness.

39 posted on 11/17/2011 12:43:22 PM PST by codder too
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To: WPaCon

Maybe swords intimidate him, but knives do not?

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...I’m sorry, that was tasteless and immature...


40 posted on 11/17/2011 12:43:51 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: WPaCon
McQueary says he went to the campus police but they have no record of that.

If what he meant is he met with the University V.P. who is over the campus police, that's not good enough for me. According to this article, McQueary was very aware nothing had been done about this when he spoke with the A.G. investigators.

41 posted on 11/17/2011 12:46:03 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: servo1969
You walk into a room and see a 50 year old man raping a 10 year old boy. Do you (a) attack the man and try to drag him off the boy or (b) sneak away and, hours later, ask your parents what you should do?

I do neither one. I call 9-1-1 and say there is a rape in progress and then I use the cell phone to snap a picture or two as "evidence" while being as discreet as possible.

Confronting the attacker could lead to assault charges and it is very possible that the attacker and/or the victim leaves the scene before help arrives.

You must understand that with pedophiles, it's very possible that a) this isn't his first time and b) this isn't his first victim so the emphasis is to catch him in the act, get the police there ASAP and then you'll have both the attacker and the victim ID'd so as to better prosecute the man and put him behind bars where he belongs. To do that, you need evidence in case the child is intimidated into not pressing charges.

42 posted on 11/17/2011 12:47:01 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: colorado tanker
If what he meant is he met with the University V.P. who is over the campus police, that's not good enough for me.

It appears from the way his statement is worded that McQueary claims that he went to both the supervisor of the police and the campus police themselves.

Campus police claims that they have no record of him going to them. I give more credence to the statement of the campus police, but I have heard from a few sources that campus police forces tend to be very corrupt and often bury incidents.

43 posted on 11/17/2011 12:52:25 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: servo1969

I have read that McQueary’s father and Sundusky went to Penn State together and have been life long friends. McQueary’s come from State College as well and McQueary played for Penn State. I have wondered if McQueary himself was abused by Sundusky as a child?


44 posted on 11/17/2011 1:01:06 PM PST by mmanager
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To: OrangeHoof
You are someone who realizes the difficulty facing a witness to a crime, and the fact that the perp is likely to challenge the witness, even to the point of accusing him of a crime, or at least of slander. I think it is likely that Sandusky stopped his rape when he realized he had been seen.

McQueary was not a hero, but it's not true that he "did nothing." He was a person with no clout and authority and much to lose, yet he made a report which is now the key piece of evidence. Unfortunately, it seems that the actual victim has either been intimidated, seduced, or recruited into the gay lifestyle, such that his testimony against Sandusky is not available.

45 posted on 11/17/2011 1:01:40 PM PST by hellbender
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To: WPaCon
It is possible the campus police are in on the coverup. This thing just gets worse by the day.

Had McQueary claimed to have gone to the campus police, however, wouldn't that have been in his grand jury testimony and the report?

46 posted on 11/17/2011 1:03:55 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
It is possible the campus police are in on the coverup.

It's a certainty.

47 posted on 11/17/2011 1:04:45 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: WPaCon
I have heard from a few sources that campus police forces tend to be very corrupt and often bury incidents.

I have read of cases where campus cops suppressed prosecution of conventional (heterosexual) rapes and other crimes on campus. Read The Five Year Party and learn about just how corrupt the higher education racket is today.

48 posted on 11/17/2011 1:05:53 PM PST by hellbender
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To: greatvikingone
Give it up.

Sandusky said that he didn't seek sexual satisfaction from ALL the kids he “helped”.

The guy is a pedophile with an all too typical pedophile M.O..

All the evidence so far points to his guilt. But it is his own words that condemn him.

49 posted on 11/17/2011 1:10:16 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: colorado tanker
Had McQueary claimed to have gone to the campus police, however, wouldn't that have been in his grand jury testimony and the report?

Not sure.

50 posted on 11/17/2011 1:11:29 PM PST by WPaCon
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