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Inquiry Grew Into Concerns of a Cover-Up (Sandusky Case: New Details Emerge)
NYT ^ | 11/16/2011 | Jo Becker

Posted on 11/17/2011 12:13:11 PM PST by mojito

A critical break in the investigation of Jerry Sandusky came via a posting on the Internet: a random mention that a Penn State football coach, years before, might have seen something ugly, but kept silent.

Investigators with the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office had by 2010 already come to the conclusion that Sandusky, the longtime defensive coordinator for Joe Paterno’s Nittany Lions, was a serial molester, according to two people with knowledge of the case. But what had started with a complaint of sexual assault from a high school freshman had grown to include another matter altogether: whether Penn State had acted to cover up Sandusky’s behavior, even crimes.

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Officials at the Second Mile, the charity for at-risk children that Sandusky founded and that prosecutors say he used to target victims, reported that several years of the organization’s records were missing and had perhaps been stolen. The missing files, investigators worry, may limit their ability to determine if Sandusky used charity resources — expense accounts, travel, gifts — to recruit new victims, or even buy their silence, according to two people with knowledge of the case.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: childabuse; joepa; joepaterno; paterno; pedophilia; pedstate; pennstate; psu; sandusky; secondmile
Evidence of a cover-up is starting to be exposed. This is getting nastier and nastier.
1 posted on 11/17/2011 12:13:14 PM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

2nd mile, sandusky, joepa, and campus admin conspired together to pimp out young boys to wealthy pederasts to fund football, and other campus activities.

There that was easy to explain. The rest is just gathering the evidence, mainly by finding the weak link in the conspiracy circle. My top target would be the asst. AD or mcqueary himself (gives hime a path to redemption)


2 posted on 11/17/2011 12:19:50 PM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: mojito

Sounds as though the speculation that Sandusky was operating a pedophile ring financed by donors to his “charity” may indeed be true if those records have been stolen and destroyed.

Everyone involved with this cover up should have their address changed from Penn State to State Pen.


3 posted on 11/17/2011 12:20:05 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee
Everyone involved with this cover up should have their address changed from Penn State to State Pen.

Yes!

4 posted on 11/17/2011 12:24:07 PM PST by livius
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To: jacquej

mark for later reading


5 posted on 11/17/2011 12:24:07 PM PST by jacquej
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To: mojito

When I saw it was New York Times I almost didn’t read it, but it actually is a pretty good roundup of where the case is now. More will be revealed, I have no doubt.


6 posted on 11/17/2011 12:24:31 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: txrefugee
"A Pennsylvania State University professor claims climate-change denier Timothy Ball defamed him in an interview published by the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Winnipeg-based think tank.

Michael Mann, a professor in Penn State's meteorology department and director of the university's Earth Systems Science Center, claims that Ball defamed him when he said that Mann "should be in the State Pen, not Penn State," for his alleged role in the so-called climate gate email tussle. "

Somebody else attacked the State Penn first.

7 posted on 11/17/2011 12:28:43 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: mojito

Three years of records missing?

Who destroyed them?

When were they destroyed?

Does anyone really believe Sandusky destroyed them?

Does anyone really believe he only used Second Mile resources to find boys for only three years?


8 posted on 11/17/2011 12:28:55 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: colorado tanker

The New York Times usually does a good job of writing about other organization’s homosexuals, deviants, and plagerist coverups. Not so much their own.


9 posted on 11/17/2011 12:29:47 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: txrefugee
Making a small correction to your post as we need to start calling this what it REALLY is.

Sounds as though the speculation that Sandusky was operating a HOMOSEXUAL pedophile ring financed by donors to his “charity” may indeed be true if those records have been stolen and destroyed.

10 posted on 11/17/2011 12:30:33 PM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Terry Mross
Does anyone really believe he only used Second Mile resources to find boys for only three years?

Those records were stolen to protect somebody other than Sandusky. The only question is who?

11 posted on 11/17/2011 12:33:20 PM PST by mojito
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To: mojito; Colofornian; dfwgator
Still, for years, McQueary questioned why nothing more was done. Under the law, McQueary was obligated only to tell a superior at the university. It is the duty of university administrators to inform the police. Besides, as one investigator put it, “on that campus, telling Joe Paterno is like telling God.”

Missing files?

Then-University counsel Wendell Courtney saying he was never informed of the 1998 investigation? Joe Paterno saying he was never informed of the 1998 investigation?

This image of a relieved McQueary getting a chance to spill his guts to investigators in a remote parking lot about a secret he held for eight years (but shouldn't have held for an hour)?

And this:

“This was not the secret that they are trying to make out now,” one person involved in the inquiry said. “I know there were a number of college coaches that had heard the rumors. If all these people knew about it, how could Sandusky’s superiors not know?”

Quite an article.

12 posted on 11/17/2011 12:34:25 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

Thankfully, our justice system is based upon the idea that you are innocent until proven guilty by reason of evidence.

Idiots like you apparently support the idea that we come up with a wild accusation, declare it as fact, and then search for evidence to support it. You’re an embarassment.


13 posted on 11/17/2011 12:34:51 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: mojito

The new york times.....always on the alert to flush out homosexual child rapists.


14 posted on 11/17/2011 12:35:29 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mojito

I read the Grand Jury’s report last night. It’s sickening. I’m not sure who knew what when from what the report contained, but it shows that AD Curley is a poor excuse for a human being as well.


15 posted on 11/17/2011 12:40:20 PM PST by cjshapi (Proudly posting without a tagline since 2001)
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To: mojito
The Second Mile non-profit----that Sandusky founded and apparently used to target victims-------reported that several years of the organization’s records were missing and had perhaps been stolen. The missing files may limit L/E's ability to determine if Sandusky used tax-exempt charity resources — expense accounts, travel, gifts — to recruit, or even buy victims' silence.................

This is so bogus----already the cover-up.

As the CIA says---they ALWAYS leave a paper trail. There are other ways to trace this.

Give me five minutes with the books and I'll show you how they did it.

16 posted on 11/17/2011 12:41:16 PM PST by Liz
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To: mojito

Sandusky adopted the biological son of the DA’s sister.


17 posted on 11/17/2011 12:43:21 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: mojito
Lynne M. Abraham, a lawyer for Second Mile...

She was the long-time Philadelphia District Attorney who tried to prevent prosecution of the union goons who beat Don Adams.

18 posted on 11/17/2011 12:45:21 PM PST by Publius
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To: mojito

“Evidence of a cover-up is starting to be exposed”

Reminds me of peeling an onion. The layers are starting to pull back. I have the feeling this is going to get way more ugly than many of us thought initially.


19 posted on 11/17/2011 12:46:39 PM PST by momtothree
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To: mojito
This is the most thorough report I've yet seen, and tends to support the testimony of McQueary, as did my gut feeling. Some people on FR are going to find out just how complicated a criminal case can be, and why we have trials instead of lynchings. Many questions remain to be answered.

The article says that Sandusky favored white victims, whereas some previous reports say that most of the victims were black. Either way, they were already victims of the breakdown of the family in this country. There were no fathers around to protect them, or to model good behavior.

20 posted on 11/17/2011 12:47:04 PM PST by hellbender
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To: flintsilver7

I, too, am against making wild accusations. An accusation can destroy a person’s life. The initial headlines are on the front page. The aquittal is buried on page ten.

However, this isn’t a wild accusation. This is grand jury testimony that was done under oath. I think that carries a little more weight.


21 posted on 11/17/2011 12:53:54 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: mojito

Of course there has been a cover up, that’s been obvious from day one.. the question is WHY...

Too many people IMHO had to turn a blind eye for too long for this just to have been a lone wolf thing. I know state college is a small town, and I know all about how things work in such places, but even that cannot explain away how many people HAD to look the other way, for this guy to do what he did. TOO MANY people from too many organizations had to turn a blind eye for it to have simply been “oooh its Sandusky he’s a big fish, don’t question it”.

This guy was taking children from school without parental consent, you have to know you are protected to even attempt such a feat, and you’d have to be protected by powerful people to think you could (and did for likely years) get away with it. Someone (or more importantly MANY SOMEONES) are likely watching your back.

I suspect, that once they start digging they are going to find a whole lot of other powerful folks were having sex with these kids or others, and they have been protecting one another. Sandusky may have been a relatively big fish in State College PA, but he wasnt so big that everyone was going to turn a blind eye to him especially a decade or more after he was let go.

I Believe that PSU knew without question probably before, but certainly no later than 1998/9 when the initial investigation happened that this guy was abusing children. They covered it up to protect the program and the university, and would not be suprised if they knew long before.

I also believe that this scandal will ultimately take out a lot of power folks, who were just active in covering it up, but were active in acts as well. If I am right on this, and I am admitting speculation on this at this point, but my gut tells me this is way bigger than just a single sicko, I guarantee the tentacles will will go into all sorts of entities, school administration, police, business leaders, and yes no doubt current and/or former politicians in Harrisburg and potentially even DC.

I may turn out to be completely wrong on this speculation, but I just don’t believe that he got away with everything he got away with for so long as a simple lone wolf, at least not in the manner of things he’s been accused of doing.

If he were having the boys come to his house or a neutral private location, then certainly could see that going on for years with no one knowing. Taking them from school in the middle of the day? Fooling around with them in Penn State facilities? etc etc etc.. I think there is way way way more goin going on here.


22 posted on 11/17/2011 12:55:11 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Terry Mross

I was referring to the idea that Sandusky was running an underage homosexual prostitution ring with the blessing of his charity, the University, the football program, and half the town. That is a wild accusation. I personally believe that Sandusky is guilty of being a serial abuser based on the report. There is a convincing case for that. Even so, he gets his day in court.

The other accusations are, at this moment, completely unfounded. If some evidence can be found for that, then those involved deserve everything coming to them.


23 posted on 11/17/2011 1:02:53 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: HamiltonJay
If he were having the boys come to his house or a neutral private location, then certainly could see that going on for years with no one knowing. Taking them from school in the middle of the day? Fooling around with them in Penn State facilities? etc etc etc.. I think there is way way way more goin going on here.

You nailed it.

And for some recent evidence, look at how the judge let him go with a no-bond bond, and a no-lockup lockup, completely on his own recognances - and she's a member of his kids organization! When's the last time someone was arrested on 40 counts of child rape and told by the judge, "hey, go get yourself a beer, when we have a trial we'll give ya a ring"?

More to this? HELL yes.

24 posted on 11/17/2011 1:12:56 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: mojito; Colofornian
Since I posted a link to the Grand Jury presentment on Monday, November 7, I've tried to get away from this story. How many posts do we have just among you, Colofornian, and me? I tried to stick the the presentment although it was impossible to talk about Penn State without bringing up my nearly forty years' of admiration for Joe Paterno. Or for anybody to talk about this objectively without mentioning that fact that he was bigger than Penn State around Penn State.

Apologists for Paterno said that was just our unfounded opinion.

Well, here's the NYT (The Paper of Record) not only saying that talking to Paterno at Penn State was like talking to god, but . . . work your way to the third paragraph, the money paragraph:

Paterno, through his son Scott, also said he did not know of the 1998 sex crime investigation of Sandusky, who was then his most prominent and accomplished assistant.

Investigators over the last week have made clear that they have serious doubts about whether so few people in senior positions of responsibility came to know of the 1998 investigation.

“You have to understand those statements in context — there is nothing that happens at State College that Joe Paterno doesn’t know, or that Graham Spanier doesn’t know,” one person involved in the investigation said. “Whether or not a criminal case went forward, there were ample grounds for an administrative inquiry into this matter. I have no evidence that was ever done. And if indeed that report was never passed up, it makes you wonder why not.”

Well. Alrighty then.

25 posted on 11/17/2011 1:18:19 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Talisker
And for some recent evidence, look at how the judge let him go with a no-bond bond, and a no-lockup lockup, completely on his own recognances - and she's a member of his kids organization!

She was a contributor. The Second Mile grew to be a huge deal. Over 100,000 kids have had some involvement with it. The list of Honorary Trustees is a Who's Who of the national sport's world and Pennsylvania's political and business world. If you were anybody in business, politics, or charity in that area of Pennsylvania, you probably were hit up to contribute to The Second Mile over the last fifteen years by somebody more powerful than you.

26 posted on 11/17/2011 1:31:31 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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29 posted on 11/17/2011 1:58:00 PM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: flintsilver7

I don’t see any evidence for the pedophile ring idea. On the contrary, I think Sandusky is a highly organized child molester who wouldn’t put himself at the mercy of fellow abusers who might rat him out. I also think the Second Mile head who just quit and his wife, the agency’s #2 who’s now in charge, are both guilty as sin of enabling Sandusky’s crimes, knowingly or via intentional blindness.


30 posted on 11/17/2011 2:27:04 PM PST by GAgal
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To: GAgal

Some people knew something, I have no doubt. I suspect that former DA Ray Gricar, who disappeared and has been declared legally dead, knew quite a bit. He disappeared under mysterious circumstances back in 2005 and apparently he had the final say in not pushing forward with criminal charges in 1998.


31 posted on 11/17/2011 2:42:57 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Terry Mross

I’m starting to wonder if perhaps there are not some missing or murdered children that might fit in that time gap for when the records are missing.


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To: mojito
Whe you look at the tax returns....theres separate filings for 'Second Mile' and 'Second Mile Center'....looks like plenty of places to hide money and pay off people...and lots of names to investigate as well...

http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php

Search - Second Mile - PA

((Thanks to abb for posting the search site last week ;))

34 posted on 11/18/2011 12:07:12 AM PST by BossLady (Where There's A Shill...There's A Pay.......)
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To: mojito

With JoePa’s tenure at PSU and his great morale character (sarcasm intended) , the university will sadly be known as Pedophile State University.


35 posted on 11/18/2011 10:28:51 AM PST by Robert Lomax
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