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(Syracuse University assistant basketball coach)Bernie Fine target of police inquiry
http://espn.go.com ^ | 11/17/2011 | Mark Schwarz and Arty Berko

Posted on 11/17/2011 5:33:08 PM PST by massmike

Syracuse police say they are investigating an allegation that Syracuse University assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine molested a team ball boy for more than a dozen years beginning in the mid-1980s.

Police stressed to Outside The Lines they are in the early stages of the investigation.

The alleged victim, Bobby Davis, now 39, told Outside the Lines that Fine molested him beginning in 1983 shortly before Davis entered the seventh grade. Davis, the team's ball boy for six years beginning in 1984, said the abuse occurred at Fine's home, at the Syracuse basketball facilities, and on road trips, including the 1987 Final Four.

In addition, a second man -- a relative of Davis -- told OTL that he was also molested by Fine around the same time as the first boy.

Fine is now in his 35th season as an assistant to head coach Jim Boeheim.

(Excerpt) Read more at espn.go.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: fine; homosexualagenda; nambla; pederast; pederastagenda; pederasty; pedophile; pedophilia; sourcetitlenoturl; syracuse; syracuseuniversity

1 posted on 11/17/2011 5:33:11 PM PST by massmike
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To: massmike

Here we go..time to clean house...across the nation!


2 posted on 11/17/2011 5:37:16 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

...if only coaches were allowed to marry.....


3 posted on 11/17/2011 5:38:52 PM PST by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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4 posted on 11/17/2011 5:52:37 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: massmike

Aw,geeze,not Syracuse! I love S.U..


5 posted on 11/17/2011 6:04:58 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Straight and proud.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Yes! It’s not just Penn State. The rot is deep at every Marxist-demrat controlled university.


6 posted on 11/17/2011 6:14:41 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: massmike

Fire Boeheim now. He had to know. He RUNS that town. He’s obviously a pedophile enabler.

I also think they should cancel the remainder of their season and be banned from any participation in postseason play.

Why haven’t we heard much about this? Where is it that all the espn sportscasters go to edumicate themselves again?


7 posted on 11/17/2011 6:39:50 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: dools0007world

Actually....its everywhere.

The cat is out of the bag!

the good news is that this will help a lot of young boys ( and girls) that are or have been abused to stop the abuse and get help and put away these abusers.


8 posted on 11/17/2011 6:39:51 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

“Boeheim saw me with Bernie all the time in the hotel rooms, on road trips,” Davis said. “He’d come in, and see me laying in the bed, kind of glance at me like, ‘What are you doing here?’ But he wouldn’t say that. He’d just scowl. And I would look at him like, I’d be nervous. I felt embarrassed ‘cause I felt stupid that I’m there. I’m not supposed to be here. I know it, and Boeheim’s not stupid.”

Jim Boeheim needs to be fired tomorrow.


9 posted on 11/17/2011 6:48:58 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

No question about it - Boeheim should resign or be fired.


10 posted on 11/17/2011 6:52:16 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: massmike

Ped State...Boston Ped Sox...Syracuse...who ISN’T molesting little boys? Wonder how many times ‘homosexual’ won’t be mentioned in connection with this story?


11 posted on 11/17/2011 7:00:04 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: FlJoePa
Yes, I agree. Let's have all their scalps!

It's high time we slaughter all the SACRED COWS including those of mine at my alma mater! This Asst. Coach homoerotic position has got be exposed and rooted out!

12 posted on 11/17/2011 7:02:28 PM PST by STD (Cut Taxes, Cut Spending Stupid!)
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To: NittanyLion

This is first hand witness of a boy (a ball boy) in the bed of an assistant coach on the road in a hotel room.

Joe never witnessed anything like this. Not according to his testimony. Seems boeheim is much more culpable, even given the two different circumstances.

How long has espn been sitting on this? One of their statements said something like “lets let the legal process play itself out before judging anyone involved”...

Really? Isn’t that special...

As we rush to remove names from trophies and push to try and somehow undo 61 years of greatness, I get the feeling that treatment of those peripherally involved in these two issues will get different treatments. Just like the polls in 68, 69, 73, 94, etc.


13 posted on 11/17/2011 7:09:39 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa
One of their statements said something like “lets let the legal process play itself out before judging anyone involved”...

That's not how things need to work in a case like this. The most effective outcome is for the media to work themselves into a frenzy until Syracuse fires and suspends a bunch of people without fully understanding the facts.

Only then can the healing process begin.

14 posted on 11/17/2011 7:19:40 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: FlJoePa

If the kid had his own room, and Boeheim saw him in this guy’s bed, you are right. Boeheim can’t overlook that. And the guy is still there. Sick.


15 posted on 11/17/2011 7:22:35 PM PST by Defiant (President Odinga is setting the stage for chaos in the streets. Obey!)
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To: massmike

One of the troubling points I raised was the fact that if Sandusky was not offered a job after leaving Penn State, it had to be because the coaches at the other schools knew about him.


16 posted on 11/17/2011 7:23:14 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: NittanyLion

Bitter much? Were you in the riots? Joe was way wrong and the board did the right thing.


17 posted on 11/17/2011 7:24:45 PM PST by Defiant (President Odinga is setting the stage for chaos in the streets. Obey!)
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To: Defiant

Actually I’m thinking more about Mike McQueary, given that some of the more recent stories suggest that the full story may not be known. But in general, there was disgraceful behavior on the part of all the PSU suspects, the PSU board of trustees and the media.


18 posted on 11/17/2011 7:27:14 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

“Only then can the healing process begin.”

Your sarcasm lacked the neccesary lable...Ped State is it’s own case...don’t try to confuse the issue.


19 posted on 11/17/2011 7:41:45 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I’m as disgusted as anyone over what went on in State College. But I’m also disgusted over the media’s handling of it as well as the guilt by association that’s been heaped on people who had nothing to do with the situation.


20 posted on 11/17/2011 7:43:42 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: All

Now the hard thing will be sifting through all the claims. You KNOW there are going to be people who try to cash in on this. I can see a class action in the near future.


21 posted on 11/17/2011 7:44:50 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: massmike
Davis said sexual contact with Fine continued until he was around 27.

Another terrible story, but with that odd aspect to top it off.

22 posted on 11/17/2011 7:50:56 PM PST by Will88
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To: NittanyLion

“...guilt by association that’s been heaped on people who had nothing to do with the situation.”

Time will tell...there may well be a LOT of association with what has gone on in Happy Valley, and we likely do not know all those associated...

You might consider changing your handle here...just some dutch uncle advice from an old Gpa...


23 posted on 11/17/2011 8:03:12 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: NittanyLion

Ok, my mistake. I agree that there are still facts to be determined with McQueary, although I guess it is undisputed that he left the kid in Saturday’s control when he left the scene. It must have been quite a shock, no question. I hope I would have tried to save the kid right there, but I can understand a little how you might have no frame of reference for something like that. He should have called the police, though. Whatever we think right now won’t matter, because all these parties will be run through the wringer in the civil suits, and the story will be much more detailed when that is over. And there will be many times the amounts given by Paterno to Penn paid to the victims.


24 posted on 11/17/2011 8:08:11 PM PST by Defiant (President Odinga is setting the stage for chaos in the streets. Obey!)
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To: NittanyLion

Ok, my mistake. I agree that there are still facts to be determined with McQueary, although I guess it is undisputed that he left the kid in Sandusky’s control when he left the scene. It must have been quite a shock, no question. I hope I would have tried to save the kid right there, but I can understand a little how you might have no frame of reference for something like that. He should have called the police, though. Whatever we think right now won’t matter, because all these parties will be run through the wringer in the civil suits, and the story will be much more detailed when that is over. And there will be many times the amounts given by Paterno to Penn paid to the victims.


25 posted on 11/17/2011 8:08:49 PM PST by Defiant (President Odinga is setting the stage for chaos in the streets. Obey!)
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To: FlJoePa

The story is being heavily covered in the Syracuse TV market. Boeheim has pledged full support to the assistant coach. He says he’s never seen the alleged behavior and has known Fine for forty years. The young man came forward eight years ago, after the end of statute of limitations.

They’re in shock mode right now. Time will tell if outrage follows. Or maybe they’ll wait for the legal process to play out before they make the iconic Boeheim fall on his sword.

My guess is that the great schadenfreude tornado spent its energy in Pennsylvania.


26 posted on 11/17/2011 9:57:56 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: massmike; All
Yes, SU alum here.

Bobby Davis, the supposed “victim” was afraid of flying, his mother is quoted as telling ESPN. So, she says, he never flew to away games.

Yet he claims he was molested in New Orleans at the final four and in Hawaii— did he swim there?

Jim Boeheim says he 100% backs Bernie Fine and never saw the kid in his room. Boeheim is quoted telling ESPN that the guy is a liar and probably wants money.

I know people that went to college with Fine and they say he was obviously heterosexual, if you know what I mean. Fine coached local HS basketball for a while before SU— no problems. This guy also claims it was still happening when he was 27— Fine was old and fat then, he would have no power over some one.

If I am proved wrong— clean house just like at Penn State— but it doesn't add up. And while their at it, shut down ESPN for talking to the “victim” and getting his story but not reporting it in 2003.

27 posted on 11/17/2011 10:15:01 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: who knows what evil?

not just sports...nr Bangor ME, a longtime minister jumped from a high bridge to his death. He served the community for decades and he and his wife were honored days before for their work with Boy Scouts. But right after those honors, the state police were informed he had had a relationship with a 12 yr old boy in the 70s (they were still friends up until the reverend’s death)...And someone sent a letter with these details, and the next thing you knew,
he killed himself. No suicide note.

He was supposed to have a huge funeral with police and firemen present. It has since been scaled down...

http://bangordailynews.com/2011/11/16/news/state/carlson-investigation-to-stay-open-to-allow-possible-victims-a-place-to-go/

>>Police have concluded that he committed suicide by jumping from the Penobscot Narrows Bridge, which spans high above the Penobscot River connecting Hancock and Waldo counties.
The day after he died, details emerged that Carlson was under investigation for suspected child sexual abuse dating
back to the 1970s. It’s not clear whether there was one alleged victim or more and it’s not clear how long the alleged abuse went on.
Dawn Krog of Bowdoin told the Bangor Daily News earlier this week that she spoke to a Maine State Police Detective last Friday about Carlson. Krog said her brother — whom the BDN is not identifying because he is an alleged victim — confessed to family members about an ongoing sexual relationship he had with Carlson

>>Additionally, leaders at the Katahdin Area Council of the Boy Scouts of America said they turned over a letter concerning Carlson to state police detectives on Monday that included allegations of child sex abuse. Carlson and his wife, Elaine, were honored by the Katahdin Area Council of Boy Scouts of America with its 15th annual Distinguished Citizen Award on Nov. 9.

That letter also was sent to Gov. Paul LePage, Boy Scout leaders and local law enforcement officials.

State police launched their investigation Nov. 10.


28 posted on 11/18/2011 12:27:37 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

We can only hope and pray.


29 posted on 11/18/2011 6:12:31 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: FlJoePa

If this is true then Boeheim needs to go. I’m a hard-core Syracuse fan but if Boeheim is guilty of anything then he should be fired. I’m from a town near Syracuse and I’ve liked SU for a long time so this is a shock.


30 posted on 11/18/2011 9:19:41 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Straight and proud.)
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To: MacMattico

When did you go to Syracuse University? I’m a big Orange fan! I’m from the area but I live in FL now.

I remember Trishe and Seikaly quite well.


31 posted on 11/18/2011 9:24:03 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Straight and proud.)
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To: FlJoePa

We don’t know that Boeheim is a pedophile enabler.


32 posted on 11/18/2011 9:25:49 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Straight and proud.)
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To: massmike; nutmeg; Nick Danger
Didn't see where anyone mentioned another similarity here:


Bernie Fine & Barney Frank

33 posted on 11/18/2011 12:40:46 PM PST by NautiNurse (Zot! Cut! Slash! --That's the sound of the men workin' on the Cain gang)
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To: massmike

So Davis was 21 years old and still allowed Fine to molest him. Something wrong with this picture.


34 posted on 11/18/2011 5:23:33 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Until ‘92, hubby until ‘93 ( he was a little slow ;)


35 posted on 11/18/2011 8:55:07 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

It’s a very expensive school,that’s for sure. I have an uncle who went there long ago and I believe one of the things he did for fun was cramming himself into a phone booth with other frat members.


36 posted on 11/19/2011 2:32:24 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Straight and proud.)
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