Skip to comments.S.E. Cupp : Occupiers and Tea Party Are Linked More Than Either Admits
Posted on 11/17/2011 5:49:54 PM PST by RobinMasters
As partisans on the left and right try to co-opt and compare the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street movements, both sides ignore that they arent really that different at all. Both, in fact, hew to the same conventions as all mass movements. And as the 2012 presidential candidates including President Obama attempt to form their positions on each one, theyd all be wise to put them in perspective.
In Eric Hoffers seminal 1951 work, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements, the similarity is drawn with startling clarity.
The work of a self-educated gold prospector-turned-longshoreman-turned philosopher, the treatise examines important mass movements in history from the French Revolution to the Nazis. Its also refreshingly devoid of political correctness. Hoffer describes those who may be susceptible to the allure of mass movements in practically Dickensian terms: They are either misfits, spinsters or the inordinately selfish, to name a few.
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What a breathtakingly stupid and ignorant analysis. Worst piece yet by SE Cupp. Her total lack of understanding of the Tea Party movement is simply inexcusable. She knows it no better than David Brooks or Kathleen Parker.
Yup. They are little more than english speaking (more or less) anarchist/brownshirt thugs and animals. Tea Partiers are Americans seeking constitutional government.
Yeah, they’re just alike except for the Occupier’s:
Open drug use
Destruction of private property
No, we are not like those dependent losers. The Tea Party activists are American patriots. The OWS louts are communists/communist dupes.
...or not. At least one of us is wrong, possibly both.
I believe that the point is that both groups know that something is terribly wrong.
S,E.Cupp is really clueless
I don’t think I have read an article in a very long time based on such a faulty premise
Wish I could get my five minutes back
There are a couple of FReepers in this thread that seem to think the fleabaggers are downright heroic.
As you can tell, I have zero use for their kind.
Hard to be an atheist conservative, bless her little heart......
Tea Party = producers, civilized, God/America loving people.
OWS = moochers, communist/socialist/American hating dregs of society.
Nope, don’t see it SE.
>> I believe that the point is that both groups know that something is terribly wrong. >>
Uh, no, that’s not her point at all. Or at least, that’s not her complete point at all. She made a lot of nonsensical comparisons - many of which were true of OWC but not at all true of the tea party.
She should read Coulter’s book on mobs.
I had no idea that Marxist goons and Tea Partiers were related. Did I miss something?
Oh S.E. I wonder where most of your brains went
Why you and Glenn like to Torture yourselves with giving these people credit where it isn't due I will never know.
Yeah. Actually ... I do think that there’s a little commonality ... but you’d never see OWS and the Tea Party work together because of what they DON’T have in common...it’s just too great a gap.
S E Cupp isn’t too bright.
Did anyone actually read the article?
Well they are heroic, if you want to hang them around the necks of the average democrat.
Yeah, the two on the right are sure torture to look at!!
We modern day humans are enjoying the easiest existence that any humans have ever experienced and it is our combative nature that prevents us from fully appreciating that fact. We argue over who created that existence and who is tearing it down. Wash, rinse and repeat.
I would need to see a full body picture of Ms. Cupp in order to decide if he article has merit......:-)
Not really. We rightfully but the blame where it belongs, Congress (both parties).
Ows on the other hand dutifully follows the dem party line and falls for the misdirected blame.....just like all useful idiots do and have done.
Oh, there is something terribly wrong with the country, but the typical OWS protestor can’t articulate a good reason for his or her discontent. Other than saying that things are “unfair” or that they are being crushed by their school loans, these OWS protestors are remarkably uninformed about economics and the constitutional role of our Federal Government. By contrast, the average Tea Party member can express their discontent in concrete terms — the Federal government is too large, we are taxed too much, and the Federal government should return to a more limited role in American society.
Other than both groups being unhappy with the status quo, we have nothing else in common. The Tea Party goals would result in prosperity and increased personal freedom for successive generations of Americans. The OWS demands, such as can be inferred from their mixed-up message, would result in the ruination of this country and may lead to civil unrest and violence.
I have heard them complaining about government dysfunction and have to agree. I think there are degrees of encampments of them and some of them are po’d with govt. In this ... they are similar to the Tea Party.
But, as I said ... they’d never work together because of the things that divide them.
I read the article. It did not make sense. I studied Hoffer’s work while in grad school in Boston in the 60’s. The TP does not fit his pattern. OWS does.
TP is proactive citizens focused on specifics. OWS is reactionary without intellectual grounding. In truth they have nothing in common but exist as polar opposites.
Trying to argue that opposites are the same is a fool’s errand.
>> Did anyone actually read the article? >>
Every word. Your point?
I was about to jump all over my friend Sarah Elizabeth until I read the full article at NY Daily News.
I suggest reading it before knee jerking.
I think you and I are on the only ones.
I read the entire article and I think she’s waaaaay off base.
generally speaking the similarity starts and stops with ending government corruption
That’s pretty much her point too.
#occupy. They’re like the Tea Party’s “special” little brother.
EVERYTHING they say or write is calculated to push their agenda. Cloward-Priven.
Their complaint against the Government is that it is too Capitalistic.
Te Party = productive members of society.
OWS = Dope smoking, maggot infested moochers.
Why would they complain about government dysfunction? Their ilk had complete control of the Federal Government for two years. They could have done anything they wanted and they surely tried. Look at the boffo job they did! I detest these OWS protestors, just as I would have detested their predecessors in the 1960’s — although, at least in the 1960’s, a lot of the protesters had one legitimate issue to protest, the draft. Still, I despise them both.
Methinks her bear meat from her last hunt was bad. What a terrible article.
So soon Nov. 2010 is forgotten..
Nov. 2012 will be the main event..
S.E. is engaging in “hand jive”...
Idiotic. Only as similar as the difference between people who pay taxes and people who live off them.
Hey now. Maybe it was more towards the beginning of the thing ... but I saw some interviews with groups that were more reasonable.
I’m not arguing that the socialists/communists are there. I know they are.
I think there are more than a few misguided young kids, too ... who don’t like the government, but don’t really know why.
“Why would they complain about government dysfunction?”
Why would anyone? There’s a lot of corruption there. I don’t think only the right is onto it.
I did; and where to start? She bases her thoughts off the writings of a "self-educated gold prospector-turned-longshoreman-turned philosopher" - really? The mere description tells me that I don't need to bother listening to anything such a person might have to say. She then goes on to state that America hadn't seen any mass movements prior to 1951 - really? Abolitionists never existed? Neither temperance leagues nor suffragettes?
Agree, the government is corrupt. My point was that their people had full control of it for two years and still there were no flying unicorns with rainbow emanations. So, I am a little sick and tired of these people stinking up our public places and directing the anger at the wrong people. They should be camped outside of the White House and Capitol Hill if they truly want to target what is most wrong with this country.
The unions and commies organized this whole thing.
Do some research on Andy Stern, Steven Lerner (SEIU) and Trumpka (AFL-SIO) and for good measure George Soros.
They are behind this, financing it and have a goal....the downfall of the USA and her capitalist system to institute a global socialist "utopia"
Obama is the anointed one to see that it all comes true.
These ows people are nothing but useful idiots in their scheme.
I'd need some hands on investigation to be sure but I'm pretty confident in my visual assessment.