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S.E. Cupp : Occupiers and Tea Party Are Linked More Than Either Admits
Newsmax ^ | NOVEMBER 17, 2011 | S.E. Cupp

Posted on 11/17/2011 5:49:54 PM PST by RobinMasters

As partisans on the left and right try to co-opt and compare the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street movements, both sides ignore that they aren’t really that different at all. Both, in fact, hew to the same conventions as all mass movements. And as the 2012 presidential candidates — including President Obama — attempt to form their positions on each one, they’d all be wise to put them in perspective.

In Eric Hoffer’s seminal 1951 work, “The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements,” the similarity is drawn with startling clarity.

The work of a self-educated gold prospector-turned-longshoreman-turned philosopher, the treatise examines important mass movements in history from the French Revolution to the Nazis. It’s also refreshingly devoid of political correctness. Hoffer describes those who may be susceptible to the allure of mass movements in practically Dickensian terms: They are either “misfits,” “spinsters” or “the inordinately selfish,” to name a few.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: badgirl; occupyalcatraz; occupydevilsisland; occupysingsing; occupytombs; ows; secupp; teaparty
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1 posted on 11/17/2011 5:49:59 PM PST by RobinMasters
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2 posted on 11/17/2011 5:51:28 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: RobinMasters

Nonsensical horesh1t.


3 posted on 11/17/2011 5:54:43 PM PST by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: RobinMasters

What a breathtakingly stupid and ignorant analysis. Worst piece yet by SE Cupp. Her total lack of understanding of the Tea Party movement is simply inexcusable. She knows it no better than David Brooks or Kathleen Parker.


4 posted on 11/17/2011 5:57:18 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: Adder

Yup. They are little more than english speaking (more or less) anarchist/brownshirt thugs and animals. Tea Partiers are Americans seeking constitutional government.


5 posted on 11/17/2011 5:57:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: RobinMasters

Yeah, they’re just alike except for the Occupier’s:

Deaths
Open drug use
Public sex
Public masturbation
Nudity
Rapes
Lice
Scabes
STDs
Public defecation
Assaults
Destruction of private property
Anti-semitism
Molotov coctails
Violence


6 posted on 11/17/2011 5:57:43 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: musicman

No, we are not like those dependent losers. The Tea Party activists are American patriots. The OWS louts are communists/communist dupes.


7 posted on 11/17/2011 5:58:07 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Adder

...or not. At least one of us is wrong, possibly both.


8 posted on 11/17/2011 5:58:22 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: 3Fingas

I believe that the point is that both groups know that something is terribly wrong.


9 posted on 11/17/2011 5:59:48 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: RobinMasters

S,E.Cupp is really clueless

I don’t think I have read an article in a very long time based on such a faulty premise

Wish I could get my five minutes back


10 posted on 11/17/2011 5:59:59 PM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

There are a couple of FReepers in this thread that seem to think the fleabaggers are downright heroic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2808089/posts

As you can tell, I have zero use for their kind.


11 posted on 11/17/2011 6:00:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Adder

Hard to be an atheist conservative, bless her little heart......


12 posted on 11/17/2011 6:01:19 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: RobinMasters

Tea Party = producers, civilized, God/America loving people.

OWS = moochers, communist/socialist/American hating dregs of society.

Nope, don’t see it SE.


13 posted on 11/17/2011 6:02:44 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: gorush

>> I believe that the point is that both groups know that something is terribly wrong. >>

Uh, no, that’s not her point at all. Or at least, that’s not her complete point at all. She made a lot of nonsensical comparisons - many of which were true of OWC but not at all true of the tea party.

She should read Coulter’s book on mobs.


14 posted on 11/17/2011 6:03:36 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: RobinMasters

I had no idea that Marxist goons and Tea Partiers were related. Did I miss something?


15 posted on 11/17/2011 6:05:52 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: cripplecreek
http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad359/Kc_lion/Funny%20Stuff/PicardRikerFacepalm.jpg

Oh S.E. I wonder where most of your brains went

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/175/35735image059122160lo.jpg

Why you and Glenn like to Torture yourselves with giving these people credit where it isn't due I will never know.

16 posted on 11/17/2011 6:06:18 PM PST by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney! The GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him.)
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To: gorush

Yeah. Actually ... I do think that there’s a little commonality ... but you’d never see OWS and the Tea Party work together because of what they DON’T have in common...it’s just too great a gap.


17 posted on 11/17/2011 6:06:37 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: RobinMasters

S E Cupp isn’t too bright.


18 posted on 11/17/2011 6:06:43 PM PST by ozzymandus
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Did anyone actually read the article?


19 posted on 11/17/2011 6:07:09 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: cripplecreek
There are a couple of FReepers in this thread that seem to think the fleabaggers are downright heroic.

Well they are heroic, if you want to hang them around the necks of the average democrat.

20 posted on 11/17/2011 6:08:46 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: KC_Lion; cripplecreek
Torture yourselves with giving these people credit where it isn't due I will never know.

Yeah, the two on the right are sure torture to look at!!

21 posted on 11/17/2011 6:09:29 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Winstons Julia
agreed

We modern day humans are enjoying the easiest existence that any humans have ever experienced and it is our combative nature that prevents us from fully appreciating that fact. We argue over who created that existence and who is tearing it down. Wash, rinse and repeat.

22 posted on 11/17/2011 6:11:53 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: RobinMasters

I would need to see a full body picture of Ms. Cupp in order to decide if he article has merit......:-)


23 posted on 11/17/2011 6:12:10 PM PST by stockpirate (Real hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags.)
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To: Winstons Julia
Yeah. Actually ... I do think that there’s a little commonality ...

Not really. We rightfully but the blame where it belongs, Congress (both parties).

Ows on the other hand dutifully follows the dem party line and falls for the misdirected blame.....just like all useful idiots do and have done.

24 posted on 11/17/2011 6:13:57 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: gorush

Oh, there is something terribly wrong with the country, but the typical OWS protestor can’t articulate a good reason for his or her discontent. Other than saying that things are “unfair” or that they are being crushed by their school loans, these OWS protestors are remarkably uninformed about economics and the constitutional role of our Federal Government. By contrast, the average Tea Party member can express their discontent in concrete terms — the Federal government is too large, we are taxed too much, and the Federal government should return to a more limited role in American society.

Other than both groups being unhappy with the status quo, we have nothing else in common. The Tea Party goals would result in prosperity and increased personal freedom for successive generations of Americans. The OWS demands, such as can be inferred from their mixed-up message, would result in the ruination of this country and may lead to civil unrest and violence.


25 posted on 11/17/2011 6:15:06 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I have heard them complaining about government dysfunction and have to agree. I think there are degrees of encampments of them and some of them are po’d with govt. In this ... they are similar to the Tea Party.

But, as I said ... they’d never work together because of the things that divide them.


26 posted on 11/17/2011 6:22:17 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: SuzyQue

I read the article. It did not make sense. I studied Hoffer’s work while in grad school in Boston in the 60’s. The TP does not fit his pattern. OWS does.
TP is proactive citizens focused on specifics. OWS is reactionary without intellectual grounding. In truth they have nothing in common but exist as polar opposites.
Trying to argue that opposites are the same is a fool’s errand.


27 posted on 11/17/2011 6:22:18 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Government must be taken back from the thieves who have stolen it.)
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To: SuzyQue

>> Did anyone actually read the article? >>

Every word. Your point?


28 posted on 11/17/2011 6:23:31 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: RobinMasters

I was about to jump all over my friend Sarah Elizabeth until I read the full article at NY Daily News.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/occupy-wall-street-tea-party-common-left-mass-movements-article-1.977949

I suggest reading it before knee jerking.


29 posted on 11/17/2011 6:23:58 PM PST by mnehring
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To: SuzyQue

I think you and I are on the only ones.


30 posted on 11/17/2011 6:24:32 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I read the entire article and I think she’s waaaaay off base.


31 posted on 11/17/2011 6:25:15 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: RobinMasters

generally speaking the similarity starts and stops with ending government corruption


32 posted on 11/17/2011 6:25:23 PM PST by drypowder
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To: drypowder

That’s pretty much her point too.


33 posted on 11/17/2011 6:26:46 PM PST by mnehring
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To: RobinMasters

#occupy. They’re like the Tea Party’s “special” little brother.


34 posted on 11/17/2011 6:27:37 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The cited authors and others who write the same drivel indeed do understand. They also understand that if they don't trash the Tea Party Patriots the Libs will be terminally trashed by the hundreds of Obamavilles and the inevitable thuggery & criminal acts yet to come.

EVERYTHING they say or write is calculated to push their agenda. Cloward-Priven.

35 posted on 11/17/2011 6:28:25 PM PST by Thom Pain (OMG ABO USA = USC: United States of Chicago)
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To: Winstons Julia
C'mon FRiend, these people are socialist/communist takers.

Their complaint against the Government is that it is too Capitalistic.

Te Party = productive members of society.

OWS = Dope smoking, maggot infested moochers.

36 posted on 11/17/2011 6:30:18 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Winstons Julia

Why would they complain about government dysfunction? Their ilk had complete control of the Federal Government for two years. They could have done anything they wanted and they surely tried. Look at the boffo job they did! I detest these OWS protestors, just as I would have detested their predecessors in the 1960’s — although, at least in the 1960’s, a lot of the protesters had one legitimate issue to protest, the draft. Still, I despise them both.


37 posted on 11/17/2011 6:30:22 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: musicman

Methinks her bear meat from her last hunt was bad. What a terrible article.


38 posted on 11/17/2011 6:31:23 PM PST by TheStickman
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To: RobinMasters
SE Cupp is a clueless as the OWSers and the Deficrats that bless ‘em.
39 posted on 11/17/2011 6:32:13 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: RobinMasters

So soon Nov. 2010 is forgotten..
Nov. 2012 will be the main event..

S.E. is engaging in “hand jive”...


40 posted on 11/17/2011 6:32:19 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: ozzymandus
i love S.E. Cupp because it sounds like C-cup


41 posted on 11/17/2011 6:33:13 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: RobinMasters

Idiotic. Only as similar as the difference between people who pay taxes and people who live off them.


42 posted on 11/17/2011 6:38:21 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Hey now. Maybe it was more towards the beginning of the thing ... but I saw some interviews with groups that were more reasonable.

I’m not arguing that the socialists/communists are there. I know they are.

I think there are more than a few misguided young kids, too ... who don’t like the government, but don’t really know why.


43 posted on 11/17/2011 6:46:04 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: 3Fingas

“Why would they complain about government dysfunction?”

Why would anyone? There’s a lot of corruption there. I don’t think only the right is onto it.


44 posted on 11/17/2011 6:47:18 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: SuzyQue
Did anyone actually read the article?

I did; and where to start? She bases her thoughts off the writings of a "self-educated gold prospector-turned-longshoreman-turned philosopher" - really? The mere description tells me that I don't need to bother listening to anything such a person might have to say. She then goes on to state that America hadn't seen any mass movements prior to 1951 - really? Abolitionists never existed? Neither temperance leagues nor suffragettes?

45 posted on 11/17/2011 6:48:46 PM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: RobinMasters
Bears and racoons both - ah, do their duty in the woods. But they don't have much in common.
46 posted on 11/17/2011 6:51:58 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: Winstons Julia

Agree, the government is corrupt. My point was that their people had full control of it for two years and still there were no flying unicorns with rainbow emanations. So, I am a little sick and tired of these people stinking up our public places and directing the anger at the wrong people. They should be camped outside of the White House and Capitol Hill if they truly want to target what is most wrong with this country.


47 posted on 11/17/2011 6:56:04 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Child terrorizers.


48 posted on 11/17/2011 6:57:20 PM PST by madison10 (I want Cain for President, not one of the RINO twins.)
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To: Winstons Julia
I’m not arguing that the socialists/communists are there. I know they are.

The unions and commies organized this whole thing.

Do some research on Andy Stern, Steven Lerner (SEIU) and Trumpka (AFL-SIO) and for good measure George Soros.

They are behind this, financing it and have a goal....the downfall of the USA and her capitalist system to institute a global socialist "utopia"

Obama is the anointed one to see that it all comes true.

These ows people are nothing but useful idiots in their scheme.

49 posted on 11/17/2011 6:57:56 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Mr. K
Looks about like a c-cup too.

I'd need some hands on investigation to be sure but I'm pretty confident in my visual assessment.

50 posted on 11/17/2011 6:59:52 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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