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The logical outcome of the OWS movement (What is AmericanThinker Thinking?)
AmericanThinker ^ | November 18,2011 | Claude Sandroff

Posted on 11/18/2011 2:35:51 AM PST by broken_arrow1

As OWS was the logical outcome of three years of Obama's fascistic class warfare rhetoric, nationalizing America's most profitable global companies is the logical outcome of the OWS movement. As corporations are not people no one will be hurt as we nationalize. It takes medium-sized cities in Shenzhen and Chengdu for Foxconn to manufacture Apple products in China. (snip) The repatriation of Apple manufacturing infrastructure to the US could create as many as 500,000 positions--all high paying, high quality union jobs--here at home, offsetting by at least a factor twenty-five the jobs lost by the delay of the construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline from Alberta, BC to the Gulf of Mexico. (snip) the cost of manufacturing an iPad 2 might double if its production were moved from China to the US. But this difference can be easily offset with no harm to Apple through subsidies awarded to the 99%. Any American in the top 1% of the income distribution will pay the American iPad price while the 99% will enjoy the same price level achieved during the period when Apple manufactured the tablet in China. This two-level price structure can be enforced through a national voucher system administered jointly by the IRS and Department of Commerce. The total cost for the program should not exceed $16B, much of it regained by the economic activity of the newly unionized Apple work force. All costs or penalties associated with the shutdown of Apple's Chinese factories and construction of the new domestic factories (distributed according to state population figures) will be borne by Apple. As this program matures and begins to encompass other industries, OWS will slowly fade as a movement, largely because the American economy will reach full employment and there will be no need for Wall Street at all.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: communism; fascism; obama; occupywallstreet; socialism
Okay Claude, you got me. I read and re-read this a couple of times, and concluded that it must be tongue-in-cheek satire. AmericanThinker typically promotes conservative views.
1 posted on 11/18/2011 2:35:53 AM PST by broken_arrow1
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To: broken_arrow1

If we really has developed socialism, we would be living like in the DDR. And as Communist propaganda would relentlessly tell us, the Communist future is waiting just around the corner.

I’m afraid the OWSers arrived twenty years too late to implement the community organizing of their dreams. It sticks in their craw that Obama has become not the Lenin they hoped but is their Kerensky.

It will be a long time before another revolutionary moment will arrive for them.


2 posted on 11/18/2011 2:42:24 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: broken_arrow1

erect tariffs on goods that originate in countries whose avg salary is 1/4 our poverty level. this will allow American companies to bring the manufacturing back to the US and turn a profit, instead of being undercut by slave labor produced goods

restrict unions to physical injury issues and push right to work to all states

these are two of the things this country needs to do to get back on track

as for this article, it reads as if a Nazi penned it directly from 1937


3 posted on 11/18/2011 2:59:57 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Look at the German fascism in the EU. 1937 is here already.

I kid you not.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 3:01:11 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: sten

I agree.

I support capitalism, but not the kind that allows only the headquarters here to make a fortune while average Americans suffer.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 3:10:35 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: broken_arrow1

I would offer two outcomes.

First, this looks an awful lot like the bonus Army episode of 1934...same look and feel. Bunch of talk....lot of folks showing up....huge protests (37k at that time), and a untimely ending where folks were hurt by the US Army who tried to establish security in DC at the time (it’s the only place in America where federal troops can be called out and act as the security agent of the US government). In this case....the protesters would act like victims and the President would get the sympathy vote in 2012 because of the terrible police actions committed on the innocent Occupy folks.

Second, if you rounded up all the Latino vote, the black vote, and then got most university students in America incited (excited works too)....then you’d likely win enough of the state elections for the electoral college to work. Toss in Hillary as a VP, and I think the Occupy folks are a comical election ploy.


6 posted on 11/18/2011 3:15:29 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: broken_arrow1

The logical outcome of OWS should be to eliminate the public school system and don’t let your kids watch television.

Anyone who gives a moment’s consideration to any of the demands of OWS needs to stop watching television, forget everything they learned in public schools and start paying attention to the real world.


7 posted on 11/18/2011 3:27:56 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith.)
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To: broken_arrow1
My take exactly.

The author is describing the economics of a fascist state and leaving it to the reader to connect the dots.
This explains his repeated use of the phrase "logical outcome."

8 posted on 11/18/2011 3:29:56 AM PST by stormhill
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To: broken_arrow1
I don't remember ever reading an article written by a average person who works in the fields and factories of China, Vietnam, N.Korea, or Cuba that tells how wonderful their life is. How they have gone from rags to prosperity. I also have never heard of any of these Idealists move from the U.S. to one of those countries to live the proletariat dream. yet they tell us to mimic those countries in order to achieve success. Much like we were told that the European model is what we Americans should follow, until recently
9 posted on 11/18/2011 3:55:19 AM PST by MCF
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To: pepsionice
(it’s (DC) the only place in America where federal troops can be called out and act as the security agent of the US government)the only place in America where federal troops can be called out and act as the security agent of the US government)

Umm, not really. See Detroit, July, 1967.

10 posted on 11/18/2011 4:00:19 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: broken_arrow1

Just A Modest Proposal...


11 posted on 11/18/2011 4:35:01 AM PST by VRWCtaz (America has Zero to be ashamed of.)
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To: broken_arrow1; John Semmens

The author should stick to reporting facts with a bit of hyperbole.

This satire sucked and was actually a hard read.

John Semmens could write something more humorous...


12 posted on 11/18/2011 4:40:28 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: autumnraine

that type of capitalism is encouraged by the globalists.
just another group of progressive trying to diminish America any way they can


13 posted on 11/18/2011 5:01:29 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten
Sorry, tariffs won't solve the problem, if you've read up on how the Smoot-Hawley Tariff contributed to the depths of the Great Depression.

A VASTLY better solution is change our income tax laws so it encourages savings and capital investment locally--e.g., at minimum the Steve Forbes no-loophole 17 to 18 percent flat-rate income tax. That way, companies will have WAY less reasons to export jobs, factories, corporate headquarters and even company liquid assets.

14 posted on 11/18/2011 5:03:11 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: MCF

“I also have never heard of any of these Idealists move from the U.S. to one of those countries to live the proletariat dream.”

Actually, after the 1917 Russian revolution thousands of Americanized Russian immigrants moved back to Russia to participate in the wonderful, noble experiment. Stalin had them all sent to prison camps where they died to the last man, woman and child.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 5:08:03 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: autumnraine

Your statement indicates you don’t know what capitalism is.

Capitalist do not support the population. Capitalism allows the population opportunities. suffering is the largely result of lack of individual initiative


16 posted on 11/18/2011 5:09:01 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: goldstategop
>>1937 is here already.

You mean like when perversion became normalized as the Nazis were acquiring power?

http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm


How's that amorally originated Collaterlized A$$paper digestin' these days thanks to Ken Mehlman and the rest of  the Quisling  "gay" Old Party infilTRAITORS?

 

"Oops"

 

17 posted on 11/18/2011 5:13:44 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: RayChuang88

all globalists trot out smoot-hawley

“way less reasons to export jobs”??
you’re unaware of the actual numbers. let me enlighten you with my personal experience.
tech sector. software. standard mid-level developer cost, pre-2008, would range from $60-120k/yr in the US, depending on where. say $90k on avg. tack on the standard 2.5 multiplier for employee cost to the company, and you quickly see a mid level American software dev could run $225k/yr. i was brought in to run a company out of Amsterdam with dev offices in estonia. average mid-level dev cost? $500/mon... $6000/yr. that’s over $200k/yr per employee... we had about 50. what tax break could come close to that? nothing.

then look to the hardware world. a friend of mine is a manager for a smart phone plant in shenzhen china. 300,000 people working for him for peanuts, under $5k/yr. what tax incentive would encourage that company to move its facilities to the US? instead, they have management in the US, manufacturing overseas, and rack in huge profits.

fact is, no amount of tax breaks can equal the savings of slave labor. either erect tariff walls to protect against slave produced goods, or your manufacturing will move to another country (which we’ve seen)


18 posted on 11/18/2011 5:14:12 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: broken_arrow1
concluded that it must be tongue-in-cheek satire

Good for you. Explaining logical outcomes is not the same as advocating them. Logic doesn't always lead to desirable results, it only traces the path your actions must take to remain consistent.

19 posted on 11/18/2011 5:14:34 AM PST by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: broken_arrow1

this two-level price structure can be enforced through a national voucher system administered jointly by the IRS and Department of Commerce.

Quack, Waddle...

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

-- Benito Mussolini

 


20 posted on 11/18/2011 5:23:01 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: broken_arrow1
The repatriation of Apple manufacturing infrastructure to the US could create as many as 500,000 positions--all high paying, high quality union jobs--here at home,...

Aint gonna happen folks. Oh sure manufacturing could come back to the states, but not with union labor demanding the pay of Dentist.

But, there are jobs out there to be had for those who are not afraid to work. Since 2005 our sales of firewood, just firewood have more than quadrupled. Firewood is hard work folks, real hard work, but they are good jobs.

Go to one of the Chinese outlets, find a heavy or bulky product, can you or someone you know manufacture it? If so, do it, the cost of shipping today is outrageous, if it is bulky and/or heavy you can probably manufacture it locally and sell it locally with a Made in city, state, USA label on it for the same price as the import.

But as for those high tech jobs coming back here, no way. You are not going to pay the price for a USA union made TV and to be honest, neither am I.

21 posted on 11/18/2011 5:38:25 AM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: broken_arrow1

I take away that this is a forecast of what could happen IF the OWS folks have their way. It is not unlike what happened in Germany as Hitler came to power. I think the effort is to get people to pay attention to the implication that OWS is not a self-generating phenomenon but rather a put up bu those who want government to control everything


22 posted on 11/18/2011 5:44:44 AM PST by Nifster
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To: bert

That is bullcrap. The government makes or breaks the players. You are describing capitalism. I am saying I do not support crony capitalism and both parties have been guilty of it.

A system like this is not one that can sustain itself indefinitely.


23 posted on 11/18/2011 6:10:52 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: JakeS

Such bottom line mentality on the part of banks and business will result in another FDR being elected to office if it pushed to an extreme.

Not to mention what will happen when China decides not to play nice with us anymore.

Free Trade???

or...

How our Corporations conspire with communists to destroy our Country and way of life, while some conservatives cheer our emasculation.

http://www.tradereform.org/2011/01/chinas-reagan-esque-trap-for-obama/

China Threatens to Use ‘Financial Weapon’ Against America

On Monday, People’s Daily, China’s leading newspaper, stated it was time for Beijing to consider using its “financial weapon” against the United States.

The Communist Party’s flagship publication suggested that the Chinese government “directly link” its purchases of US Treasury debt to Taiwan arms sales and “require” ratings agencies to downgrade the United States in order to force up interest paid to China. China should also “launch limited trade sanctions” against states whose representatives in Congress supportTaiwan. “China-US relations will always be constrained by these people and will continue along a roller coaster pattern if China does not beat them until they feel the pain,” the paper said.

The context for the stinging piece in the party’s self-described mouthpiece may be proposed arms sales to Taiwan, but the general message is clear: China should use its holdings of American obligations to accomplish its many geopolitical aims. “In fact, China has never wanted to use its holdings of US debt as a weapon,” the paper noted. “It is the United States that is forcing it to do so”.

http://visiontoamerica.org/3521/china-threatens-to-use-financial-weapon-against-america/

Cheer leaders for the type of “free trade” being practiced today need to remove their heads from their greedy...asset sheets.


24 posted on 11/18/2011 6:10:58 AM PST by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: autumnraine
...I support capitalism, but not the kind that allows only the headquarters here to make a fortune while average Americans suffer. ...

What you are describing is globalism. Globalism is communism in a business suit sold under the false flag of 'free trade', 'comparative advantage', profits 'uber alles', with no reference to patriotism and ethics. The enemy within has been very successful in creating a story for the ‘left’ about economic, social, and environmental ‘justice’ and a story for the ‘right’ about globalism. Both stories lead to the same place - destruction of the american economy and middle class under the tyranny of global communism.

'Free trade' is based upon Richardo's theory of comparative advantage. For Ricardo's theory of comparative advantage to work, a country's labor, capital, and technology must not move offshore. Ricardo himself admits this. International immobility is necessary to prevent a business from seeking an absolute advantage by going abroad. His theory only works for such factors as geography and climates. Ricardo assumes that patriotism will check investment abroad even under absolute advantage.
25 posted on 11/18/2011 6:16:46 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: broken_arrow1

Just what I was thinking.


26 posted on 11/18/2011 6:28:56 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: sten
all globalists trot out smoot-hawley ...

you’re unaware of the actual numbers. let me enlighten you with my personal experience. ...

fact is, no amount of tax breaks can equal the savings of slave labor. either erect tariff walls to protect against slave produced goods, or your manufacturing will move to another country (which we’ve seen).


Thanks for posting.

This is a great concrete example of why American labor can't compete with third world neo-slave labor or with 'guest workers' in the US who often pay no or partial taxes. That is unless American labor plunges down to third world living conditions.
27 posted on 11/18/2011 6:43:00 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

Well, for most it seems, patriotism has a price tag and they sell it frequently.


28 posted on 11/18/2011 7:16:40 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: KDD

thanks, two good links.


29 posted on 11/18/2011 7:32:45 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: sten

Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t.

Thirty years ago, the Sperry division of Univac was, if not the leading aircraft instrument company in the world, certainly in the top three.

Then, that group got acquired by Honeywell, and, about 10 years ago, Allied-Signal bought them to get the Honeywell name.

Then, over the period of the next few years, they moved nearly all engineering to India.

Total workforce in Phoenix cut by 90%.

Well, turns out the Indians couldn’t do the work.

Over the course of the last few years, they’ve screwed Boeing so badly and so often that Boeing will no longer even accept proposals from them for new projects.

Their other customers aren’t, apparently, much happier.

Thus, the company founded by the guy who INVENTED instrument flying, driven into the ground by Morons With MBAs trying to cut a few bucks from the “Labor” line-item in the spreadsheet.

Cost dropped, productivity dropped even further. Can’t make that up in volume.


30 posted on 11/18/2011 4:34:24 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: sten

Yup and yup on tariffs. The Japs, Koreans and Chinese are hi-IQ enough and non-prejudiced enough to know that “free trade” is utter bullshyte and a cruel lie. If you want more poverty then make your nation a nation guided by the high and lofty theories of “free trade” that only work in the cloud world. Not in the real world.


31 posted on 11/19/2011 5:55:31 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: Gen.Blather
Actually, after the 1917 Russian revolution thousands of Americanized Russian immigrants moved back to Russia to participate in the wonderful, noble experiment. Stalin had them all sent to prison camps where they died to the last man, woman and child.

No, after defecting to USSR, Lee Harvey Oswald made it back to the USA because the Russians thought he was an idiot and didn't want him.

32 posted on 11/19/2011 7:03:23 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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