Skip to comments.Leon Panetta Makes Foreign Policy Gaffe (Says INDIA is a THREAT to America, like China)
Posted on 11/18/2011 3:32:08 AM PST by Recovering_DemocratEdited on 11/18/2011 6:19:20 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
“We face the threats from rising powers — China, India, others — that we have to always have sufficient force protection out there in the Pacific to make sure they know we’re never going anywhere,” Mr. Panetta said during a visit to a shipyard in Groton, Conn., where he toured a submarine, the Mississippi, in the final stages of construction.
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Please, America, fire these bastards next November.
Yes, but I think he knows what’s going on in Libya. /s
How tremendously stupid!!!
India (and Indians) are tremendously pro USA and to top it all a democracy (albeit a very noisy and colorful one :) )
In studying our post cold war history we have always shunned India for some reason.
In the early years of the Cold War, we chose Pakistan over India. We sided with China over India during their border dispute and now we continue to do such dumb things.
About the only post war President who figured out that India could be America’s best friend was GWB, who in my book goes down as the most honest US President when it came to choosing between backing non democracies and democracies.
GWB still backed the Saudis (I guess you cannot fight with everyone at the same time) but during his Presidency, democracies like South Korea, Japan, Israel, India, Taiwan all knew that push came to shove, the US was going to stand with them
Today, the Great O has managed to sell out Taiwan, annoy India, sell Japan and Korea to the Chinese, try to sell Israel to the Arabs and basically told dictators everywhere that they are safe
It was not a gaffe.
If this is the closest the left can come to admitting their true beliefs, what a disgrace they are to themselves.
As Obama and others have already demonstrated, their best shot at having the courage to stand up for their ideology is to disguise their comments as accidental mistatements.
India is a natural and potentially a major, - a key, ally of the west in the war on militant Islam. What an idiot to make a mistake like that.
Even the Pentagon clarification characterized China and India in the same manner. This doesn’t sound like a mistake, but more of kicking India while we continue to support a real enemy of both the US and India - Pakistan.
Despite widespread and pervasive poverty they are not grumpy or prone to theft. If only our OWS crybabies could spend some time in Bangalore or Calcutta they would return quiet and productive.
Your point is on target - GWB deserves credit for improving our standing with the Indians.
Hussein and his administration will do ANYTHING to get rid of ANY friend that the US might have left.
Panetta is prematurely old in the brain. He isn’t able to recognize rank ensignia ‘yet’ and kept getting turned around at the Pentagon. The NPR reporterette thought it was endearing.
Most still refuse to believe that if there is a country in the middle east that is most European, it is:
I went to college in the 70’s and there were many Iranians there.
On an individual level, they are intensely interested in western culture, philosophies, political systems, and education.
I kid you not. The average Iranian IS NOT part of the muslim fanatic faction.
No... he screwed up and spoke exactly what this administration thinks... they conspire with pokiston and work against India.
LOL. Sounds like what INTERNATIONAL SPY's do! =)
I don't know what this is doing in this thread, but anyway, I'm sure there were many Germans that were not Nazi sympathizers that we killed in WWII. If Iran was close to getting the ability to nuke the USA, what would you do?
Sometimes there are no good choices, only necesssary ones. Israel is out of options -assuming going to war with Iran is even one at this late date.
Panetta is actually working for the government? Who’s hare-brained idea was that. The man was an idiot before he went senile.
I’m not exactly sure either.
But it’s kinda like if you live through it, and your grandkids live through it, what are you going to tell them that Iran did to start WWIII?
I don’t see India getting itself in that kind of situation.
It’s not a gaffe if you happen to be a Democrat.
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Thoe only reason we don't have as close ties as we want with India, is not India. It is us. It always has been, ever since Nehru told us that India was going to go its own way. Pakistan, on the other hand, was willing to be bought to be our puppet - tell me how that is working out for us. As US hegemony declines - as it most certainly is - we are going to discover the difference between friends and lap-puppies. I hope we will still have some of the former.
He had met an American girl while working and she and he agreed that there was only one “God” and that they both in their own way worshiped Him. She was a Methodist. They truly were in love.
My first roommate became a close friend. The first year we roomed together we had many discussions about the US, our form of government, and Christianity as compared to Islam. I would do the cooking, and spent a lot of time with Campus Crusade for Christ and the Chi Alpha. I witnessed to him, and he stated that he believed in Yeshua, but his biggest fear in converting was that he would be totally cut off from his family and nation (Islam is much, mush, more than a religion).
The The second year two other Persian roommates moved to our apartment my senior year.
All three were mainly afraid of the Shah's secret police, and would have no part in efforts by other Persians to radicalize them. Even so they admitted that they had been sent to the US for an education to bring about economic and scientific advancement to Iran (nuclear), although my initial roommate was majoring in Electrical Engineering.
Once the second two Iranians moved in, I was no longer trusted to do the cooking (I might feed them pork).
All three knew nothing about cooking, since they were waited on hand and foot by their mothers and sisters. They would put a frozen pot pie in the oven to broil, and then wonder why the pie was still frozen in the middle (wouldn't read directions on the package). I came home once and found the remains of a leg of lamb on the patio outside of the apartment. Again they had place the oven on broil, and left it to burn. Needless to say the apartment smelled like burnt lamb for days afterwards.
It was during the second year (additional Muslim roommates) that I first heard about the Mahdi and how they viewed him as a violent Islamic messiah.
My first roommate married the American girl, once he got his BS degree. This American girl, who was a Methodist, believed that we all worship the same “god”. They went to Iran to introduce her to his parents. She learned quickly that once in Iran that the family would not recognize the marriage unless she converted. She refused, they declared the marriage illegitimate, and she returned to the US. My friend then stayed in Iran to serve the required service to his country, and I don't know if he was killed in the Iran/Iraq war or survived. I have totally lost track of him.
I agree that the majority of the Iranian population would like to join the modern world, after all they had this briefly during the early 70’s, but the cult of the Mahdi now rules in Iran.
Even so, even in “moderate Islam” the core of Islam is the belief in jihad and the eventual Islamic take over of the entire world, and the only assurance of admittance to Paradise is killing and dieing for Islam.
These people (just like the Carter/Clinton folks) have placed our nation in danger due to their ignorance.
Goes back to the post-Raj era. Ghandi was opposed to to the Raj. Britain was our ally. We sided with Britain, especially since the height of the Quit India movement was during the war. We walked away from India, and they aligned themselves with the other great post-WWII power, the USSR.
The Soviets were helpful to the Indians during the conflicts with Pakistan and China in the 50’s and 60’s.
It’s taken 50 years for us to start coming back around, and the Indians are receptive since the Soviet Union is no more, and they need an ally against China. Pakistan is and has long been an ally and a proxy for China as a counterweight to India.
Who seriously thinks that A.Q Khan invented the Islamic bomb? It was China who proliferated the technology to the Paks and they in turn proliferated it to the broader Arab world. I’m undecided on the Norks, but I lean toward them having gotton the bomb through the Khan network, not the Chinese directly.
That having been said, Panetta’s comment was a stupid gaffe and he surely knows better. His boss on the other hand...
Iranians have the potential to be a very Westernized nation. Unfortunately, there is just enough of a radical element there to keep Ahmadinejad and his ilk in power. However, millions of Iranians (especially those truly of Persian background with an appreciation for that history) like the West and the US in particular.
Persians are NOT Arabs, and their history is much different. Even genetically they’re more similar to Europeans than they are to Arabs.
For the life of me I can’t stop thinking about Inspector Clouseau (Peter Sellers) when I see him. (Apologies to the family of Mr. Sellers)
PS ... My apologies to serious circus clowns.
Maybe he will join Obama in bowing to O’s Pakistani Muslim Brotherhood
Therefore an enemy of this anti-American administration.
They're ALL dangerous fools.
OH MAN all that outsourcing with computers, please Panetta, don’t pi## off my Norton India guys and gals, I do NOT want malware and other bugs ..GRRRR
If Panetta wasn’t a Democrat, the lame stream media would never let this story die.
You assume The Marxists, Panetta and Onada, view Islam as a security threat to begin with.
When history sorts out who Onada really was will he have been a dedicated Marxist using Islam or a dedicated Islamist using Marxism?
As usual, a rat opens his mouth and we’re reminded democraps don’t know wtf they’re talking about.
He meant to say “Israel.”
I thought of this as deliberately pro-Pakistan too.
You are saying if Panetta hadn’t been a democrat there would still have been a story such as this?
Around here Indians vote democrat, but not to the degree of other minorities.
If he was a Republican, the LSM would make this story even larger and remind the public of it every time they reported a story about him for the rest of his career.
The assumption being, even a republican would say such a thing in the first place. Which would mean that its a common perspective across the political spectrum. In which case I don’t seen the need for any media to make a big deal out of what might actually be a common public opinion.
Well, this is the new world order, in which you insult your friends and make nice to your enemies. Panetta is just showing how “worldly” he is by making China and India equivalent. Isn’t that the United Nations way?
Yes there is. At most 15% of the population (am including members of the Revolutionary Guard in that too). One can never realistically expect 100% of any population to be against any regime.
There is also the regular/traditional Iranian military, who were disarmed by the mullahs' regime & remain to be - they are completely against the regime.
Why not help Iranian dissidents, various ethnic grps, and the regular Iranian military to bring down the regime? Carter admin w/ the help of Europeans gov'ts did that with the Shah. So, the US & EU are very capable planning for & executing a similar strategy again. Why don't they want to? That's the question.
Let’s see...what could he do to be more useful. I know! He could get himself a little radio and a shiny, brightly colored shirt made of synthetic fiber. Then he could put the radio on the sidewalk in front of a candy store and start doing the chicken. Maybe he’ll get the attention of a passing girl—maybe even un Americana ricco.
The ‘leaders’ know that anal exams await down the road.
The one over helping the Shah back into power over Mossedeq
is still going on, kind of.
They don’t want to get it wrong when they don’t know who
is keeping score. So they wait and see. But the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq is supposed to have pointed out the majority of the
secret sites and is helpful in other ways, I’m sure.
Leon. Leon; Leon. Now again; who is it you work for? So pathetic; the blinders these people wear.
Leon. Leon; Leon. Now again; who is it you work for? So pathetic; the blinders these people wear.
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